Coronavirus

[Z Buck McFate]

Columbia University Researchers Say 36,000 Lives Could’ve Been Saved If Social Distancing Started Sooner – CBS New York

And it's worth pointing out that this piece states "just days sooner" - it's not a matter of weeks or months that would have made this much difference, but days. NYT's story about this report claims the report says one week would have made that much difference.

Also from NYT's piece about the Columbia report:

And if the country had begun locking down cities and limiting social contact on March 1, two weeks earlier than most people started staying home, the vast majority of the nation’s deaths — about 83 percent — would have been avoided, the researchers estimated.

Under that scenario, about 54,000 fewer people would have died by early May.
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[Z Buck McFate]

If an arsonist starts a fire, and the fire department was unable to put out the fire in time, I too would place 100% of the blame on the fire department because they're supposed to control the fire. They had no control over what the arsonist did.

This is true. Fire departments have no control over whether an arsonist starts a fire.

Of course, it's not their job to stop arsonists from starting fires. It is their job put fires out as quickly as possible, after a fire has started. That is literally their primary job.

 

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

You should go be an arsonist. No one will blame the fire on you. They'll blame the fire department instead.

 

[Jonny]

 

[Z Buck McFate]

You should go be an arsonist. No one will blame the fire on you. They'll blame the fire department instead.

If basic reasoning skills challenging your post feels like some kind of manipulative sorcery to you, you might want to consider starting a Trump supporter safety thread in the blog section.

It is so depressing to watch these and know that there are a lot of people who feel more reassured by Trump and his barely intelligible "elements of medical" rambling brand of leadership.

 

[ceecee]

I get that if you stub your toe you are likely to blame Trump for it, but you know what our "failed state" didn't do? Cultivate a horrific pandemic in biohazardous wet markets, fail completely to contain it, lie to the rest of the world about it during a time when truth could have saved lives, and imprisoned it's own people for trying to do the right thing in getting the word out. There's your failed state.

You want to play the "government should have x" card while ignoring China and focusing all of your time and energy on the US? You have zero control over either of those entities. What a joke.

Whatever you need to do to justify your logic. E/Infj's can generally talk themselves into anything, no matter how wrong or heinous.

 

[Redbone]

The hospital where I work at has started taking surgery patients again. We're testing them for covid-19 three days prior to surgery and cancelling if they're positive. We're seeing a LOT of asymptomatic patients. Mostly young and middle-age people.

We also had saw a lot of ARDS (flu negative) and pneumonia deaths right around the last two weeks of Xmas. We've been wondering if some of those were due to early cases.

 

[Jaguar]

The hospital where I work at has started taking surgery patients again. We're testing them for covid-19 three days prior to surgery and cancelling if they're positive. We're seeing a LOT of asymptomatic patients. Mostly young and middle-age people.

We also had saw a lot of ARDS (flu negative) and pneumonia deaths right around the last two weeks of Xmas. We've been wondering if some of those were due to early cases.

In my area, the highest percentage of those who tested positive are ages 25-49.

 

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

If an arsonist starts a fire, and the fire department was unable to put out the fire in time, I too would place the blame on the fire department because they're supposed to control 100% of the fire. They had no control over what the arsonist did.

Agreed. 100% blame the fire department for all fires. Not the arsonist.

 

[Jonny]

Agreed. 100% blame the fire department for all fires. Not the arsonist.

If an arsonist started a fire and the fire department wasn’t able to put it out due to obvious incompetence, you don’t think they would hold the chief accountable? Obviously you investigate and prosecute the arsonist. That isn’t in question. But you don’t let incompetent leadership slide either. Maybe you promote someone better suited to lead.

Your comparison is bad and you should feel bad.

 

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

If an arsonist started a fire, and experts claimed it would become a vast wildfire, and it simply didn’t, but the fire department sent out the full squad AND two helicopters just to be safe, and it turned out to be a house fire...Well, the obvious incompetence of the experts is noted. Fire Investigators are deployed, and the arsonist is found and prosecuted. And the chief is commended for taking the precautions needed in the case it was an actual wildfire.

 

[Jonny]

If an arsonist started a fire, and experts claimed it would become a vast wildfire, and it simply didn’t, but the fire department sent out the full squad AND two helicopters just to be safe, and it turned out to be a house fire...Well, the obvious incompetence of the experts is noted. Fire Investigators are deployed, and the arsonist is found and prosecuted. And the chief is commended for taking the precautions needed in the case it was an actual wildfire.

If an arsonist started a fire, and experts claimed it would become a vast wildfire if nothing were done, and the chief for weeks claimed there was no fire and that everything was tremendous and perfect, and only after an entire neighborhood burned down did he finally send out the full squad...well, the obvious incompetence of the chief is noted. Fire investigators are deployed, and the arsonist is found and prosecuted. And the chief is rightly lampooned for not taking the precautions needed to save the neighborhood. After all, the experts said it would become a vast wildfire only if nothing were done. That something was done late still prevented the vast wildfire, but it didn’t save the neighborhood. That is the fault of the chief. Oh, and the chief constantly praised the arsonist. That too.

 

[Vendrah]

Whatever you need to do to justify your logic. E/Infj's can generally talk themselves into anything, no matter how wrong or heinous.

I dont think he is INFJ and INFJ forum mostly does not follow or align with this opinion (they hate Trump more than Typology Central).

 

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

The only major difference being the perceived timing in which the fire squad was sent out. Early, on-time, late. It all depends on which bystander’s story you believe.

 

[Jonny]

The only major difference being the perceived timing in which the fire squad was sent out. Early, on-time, late. It all depends on which bystander’s story you believe.

We don’t need a bystander’s story when we can view what transpired with our own eyes. But of course you’ll do whatever you need to do to support your own misguided beliefs. I’m sorry for your loss.

 

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

And what transpired was in fact a minor grease fire, and not the earth shattering wildfire we were promised.

 

[Jonny]

And what transpired was in fact a minor grease fire, and not the earth shattering wildfire we were promised.

Source?

Fauci: US can expect more than 100,000 COVID-19 deaths, millions of cases – TechCrunch

 

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

Source:

our own eyes.

👀

 

[Jonny]

Source: My own eyes ������

The only thing you’re able to see with your own eyes is the wall of your colon and the shit inside it. I just wish you’d stop spewing it out here for the rest of us to see as well.

 

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

Source?