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Vendrah

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Of course it is useful knowing where the things are going. However almost all people can mostly only observe what is going on and do their own part. In real life most find me dark and relentless. So I give people some space from time to time.


Anyway:


India + 15900 (record)
South Africa +5000 (record)
Florida +4050 (record)
Iraq +1800 (record)
Bolivia 970 (record)
Dominican republic +710 (record)
Guatemala +640 (record)
Azerbaijan +470 (record)
Kyrgyzstan +192 (record)








Well if we globally continue like this could surpass ww2, since this will fundamentally remake many of the world's balances. Therefore this could turn out to be major historical turning point for everybody.

At least here I dont see you as dark and relentless.

We have to consider that in ww2 the world population was less than half of what is today, but its still a considerable mark.
 

Virtual ghost

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At least here I dont see you as dark and relentless.

We have to consider that in ww2 the world population was less than half of what is today, but its still a considerable mark.



The people dying may not even be the key factor here. We can lose less people in the pandemic than in ww2 but the changes could still be larger. This is because you have changes of various paradigms, changes in trade routes, changes in tourism habits, changes in working from office or home ... etc. Plus a number of countries were on edge of various political cliffs even before this started. Therefore there are decent odds that it will be a brave new world out there once this is over.
 

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It's also been unfair to the front line medical staff since the beginning. I think it was mentioned here that the US health system never got overwhelmed. It is now.

Southern Arizona hospitals approaching ICU bed capacity from COVID-19

But the idea of being this coddled, this fragile, and having so much hate for others that you refuse to wear a mask? Death is not going to deter these people, not of friends or family. I saw a guy this morning telling a reporter that he had a friend that dies, his son was on a ventilator. He's loud and proud mask free MAGA.

I use to think this mattered - it doesn't to Trump supporters. They see no future for themselves so they're just helping it along. Which makes me wonder what they're going on about jobs and the economy for.

Yeah, it has been unfair since the beginning. I think it's particularly unfair now to essential workers where there's a lot of peer pressure to forego masks.

I know several Trump supporters who aren't angry, hateful people though. I'm quite sure a lot of them are, but what I take away from the ones I know is that their confidence in the "knowledge" of the coronavirus being mostly harmless is fueled primarily by the group think they are immersed in and the experience of the group they are immersed in (and frankly, that's something that *anyone* is susceptible to - anyone who says they aren't susceptible to group think is revealing their own lack of self awareness). This anti-mask attitude already has a toll (if the consensus among virologists and epidemiologists is to be given credit), but it's so "out of sight/out of mind" that a lot of good people fall on the side of erring in group think. I think a more pronounced event like this (in which no one wears masks, practically ensuring there will be casualties) smack in the middle of social groups his supporters are immersed in will drag the consequences into the open enough to make it harder to deny. (I don't doubt many will still deny and cry "fake news" about whatever the koolaid is preaching - desperately attributing deaths to something else - but I also think/hope that it will bring consequences home for enough supporters to make a dent).

I mean, it's one thing to argue that people should be allowed to work so that they don't lose their homes/can eat, and that's worth the cost of a few (thousand) vulnerable lives. (I'm not saying I agree, I'm just saying it's not as "the freedom to get a manicure and go to Fuddruckers is worth killing ALL the grandmas and vulnerable people!" psycho as it's being made out to be). But to argue that a Trump rally is worth even one single vulnerable life? Only the most fucked up amongst his supporters would argue that.

I just think a huge Trump supporter gathering without masks is probably our best hope of waking some of them up. It pisses me off that it'll reach medical/essential workers, but ignorance about the efficacy of masks is reaching them anyway and maybe an event like this could swing the anti-mask attitude enough to ultimately save more lives than would be lost if his rallies weren't starting up again? The realization that wearing masks shouldn't be a political badge won't happen until red areas get hit harder.

Or something.

I just don't think most Trump supporters are as hateful and psychopathic as the loudest among them suggests. They need this to hit home, to be immersed in the reality of it, for it to stop looking like "fake news."
 

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I think one thing we can count on is Trump's (and every one of his sycophant enabler's) inability to grasp the fact that a virus can't be gaslighted into stopping. He is so accustomed to dictating reality - and he seems to have completely lost any capacity to discern at least enough to keep everyone on a 'same page'; he belligerantly steamrolls forward with a bizarre, completely invented reality to dictate and he does it forcefully enough that it effectively convinces a lot of people it's the truth. People who are really good at manipulating as leaders know how to discern what's actually true, enough to work it into the reality they're spinning, to keep enough people on board - and this ability systematically eludes Trump. He relies on pure forcefulness. He can't seem to grasp there are aspects of reality outside of his control. And - just like he seemed to think he could initially make the problem go away by insisting it wasn't there ("like a miracle, it will disappear") - I think he probably thinks he can decide it won't be a problem to have a mask-free rally. He couldn't have been more wrong about coronavirus disappearing like a miracle, so we'll just have to wait and see how wrong he is about this too. (My point is: it's practically guaranteed he did NOT rely on expert opinion about whether this rally was a good idea, and it's almost as guatanteed that he fired any 'expert' opinion who tried to tell him something that he didn't want to hear - this is practically guaranteed to backfire on him). I think this rally will ultimately be a part of what helps remove him from office.
 

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Globally we are at +150 000 for today, but the day isn't over and still not everything is in. What shows that yesterday's 181 000 were not that much of one day anomaly.



California +4200 (new daily record even if not all counties are in)
 

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That is a matter of perspective. In the case your views are much different than mine I am not sure you would think the same thing.

Well, if we are talking about personality perception, I dont think your political positions matter that much and I dont think your political positions when compared to mine should matter, but I do admit it clouds a bit. People who agree or disagree are reading more or less the same posts.
 

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It appears that Coronapalooza was a big bust. From the videos, it looked like less than 3500 attended. :laugh:
 

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It appears that Coronapalooza was a big bust. From the videos, it looked like less than 3500 attended. :laugh:

This really is a great thing. Hopefully those who did attend remain COVID free. It’s clear cases are spiking in many states, and a crowded rally was the last thing our country needs now.
 

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This really is a great thing. Hopefully those who did attend remain COVID free. It’s clear cases are spiking in many states, and a crowded rally was the last thing our country needs now.
If you watch the 'crowd' panning videos, there wasn't a mask or social distancing in sight. There will be outbreaks from this event.
 

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If you watch the 'crowd' panning videos, there wasn't a mask or social distancing in sight. There will be outbreaks from this event.

I mean, this story should change people's mind about wearing a mask.

Florida coronavirus: 16 friends test positive for coronavirus after an outing at a Florida bar - CNN

The right is bringing up the protests and COVID, which is a valid question. However, I've been to 6 protests and I saw 0 people minus masks. Compare and contrast who is getting COVID now and who isn't. I don't have any issue that they went out (a crowded bar is dumber than most places but still), I have an issue with people not wearing masks - just like the article said:

The group had gathered for a friend's birthday, they said. The bar was crowded, and no one was wearing masks.

Wear a mask. If you don't want to or cant, don't go out. This isn't hard.
 

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������ This is the kind of thing that makes the devotion of his acolytes so disturbing.

Yeah, the cheers when he said that.. :mellow:

It makes as much sense as, slow down pregnancy tests... see? No more babies! :17425:
 

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Yeah, the cheers when he said that.. :mellow:

It makes as much sense as, slow down pregnancy tests... see? No more babies! :17425:

That's just fake news from big baby the most sinister conssspiracy in human history. @_@
 

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😬 This is the kind of thing that makes the devotion of his acolytes so disturbing.

The thing that's most wild to me is that Trump is willing to jeopardize his biggest supporters. The only people actually voting for him, totally willing to die for him.
 
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