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i don't go to restaurants, churches, or even the grocery store.

I wouldn't be caught dead in a restaurant or a church. I do go to the grocery store but I move swiftly to the point of comical. And if someone gets too close to me I ask sarcastically: "Do you think you can get any closer?" The look on their face is priceless. ;)
 

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Why didn't the FDA closely monitor the clinical trials of Pfizer, Moderna, Astra-Zenica so that there'd be less of a lag time in the approval process? That's what I would've done. On the day that Pfizer announced they had results, I would've approved the vaccine. The UK has already approved the vaccine; why is the FDA dragging its feet. Fauci said the average vaccine takes 8 years to reach the public. This recent episode tells me that lots and lots of red tape needs to be cut down in the regulatory process.
 

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Curious, how is high school dropout in Germany ? From what I have seen our two countries have quite similar rate of people that end up in prison and they are both small (about 13% of US rate). However here if there are some problematic students the system is still trying to push them do finish the school. Since today without a high school you are probably nothing and therefore you are likely to become a problem. Therefore since you have lower amount of people in prisons you may as well give them the right to vote and the vaccines to reduce social alienation. What also matters when they eventually come out. (free college also probably helps in all this)






I mean this graph pretty well explains certain attitudes in this thread when it comes to this set of issues.



The dropout rate in Germany is actually similar to that of the US, from what I could gather, (currently 6.9%)"
,but the educational system is very different. Education is down to the individual Länder (federal states) but overall similar. You have a total of nine or ten years of compulsory education but different types of schools tailored to the students' skills and needs. After that you normally need to attend a higher secondary school or a trade school or start a traineeship. So actually 12 years altogether.

It is a classist system where kids of people with higher education tend to receive higher education and children of laborers receive little education. But The quality of the trade schools and trainee programs is supposedly quite good by comparison. Both schools and universities are free and there are many ways you can "upgrade" at some point and continue your education. The formal and financial barriers are quite low but the social ones are high.
However, the state does tend to make an effort to offer educational opportunities and you can continue your education even in prison (both academic and learning a trade).

The dropout rate varies a lot by region. I live in a wealthy part of the country and my city actually has the lowest dropout rate in all of Germany. It is highest in the East and poorer regions and much higher among (even second or third generation) migrants than among "natives". I think a lot of it comes down to perspective. In the wealthy regions you have many options and good reason to study but even the less capable or motivated are taken care of by the system. In poorer regions young people have much less to work for and Look forward to.

And (from what I read a few years ago) the only OECD country with an even greater correlation between socioeconomic status of a family and actual educational outcome of their children than Germany is Mexico. That's why I called the system classist. Those at the bottom might be better taken care of than elsewhere, but those at the top stay among themselves (most university students are children of university graduates, etc and they even tend to marry among themselves).

Germany's educational system is relatively complex with a lot of pros and cons.
 

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I wouldn't be caught dead in a restaurant or a church. I do go to the grocery store but I move swiftly to the point of comical. And if someone gets too close to me I ask sarcastically: "Do you think you can get any closer?" The look on their face is priceless. ;)
And the grocery store issue is different because food has to be physically transferred from that location to one's home. If a person is to take one risk during a pandemic, it is reasonable for that to be the grocery store. Curbside pickup and delivery are possible and important for the elderly in particular, but there can be staffing limitations and issues, so I stand behind grocery shopping as the most necessary and reasonable risk, but to consider the environment potentially problematic so to use appropriate precautions.

I'm not comfortable with restaurant take-out, but I can support publicly encouraging that for the sake of small business and for people who feel okay about it, since there isn't science confirming that the virus is transmitted that way.

I also support science research finding ways to make air filtration systems and UV light enhancements to make working environments safe. I don't like that people have to shut down businesses, so support finding safe ways to operate. Science and technology can get behind that and it provides safety for the future as well to cut down on any viral transmission.
 

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I wouldn't be caught dead in a restaurant or a church. I do go to the grocery store but I move swiftly to the point of comical. And if someone gets too close to me I ask sarcastically: "Do you think you can get any closer?" The look on their face is priceless. ;)
What do you think of single parents who bring their children to grocery stores?
 

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What do you think of single parents who bring their children to grocery stores?

I can't recall the last time I encountered it; I don't really see little kids when I go. But then I go to the store during odd hours. Far less people.
 

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Government officials: "Danger! Stay home! Please, for the good of all of humanity, stay home!"

Also government officials: "Goin' on vacation and getting my hair done. I can't take it here anymore!"


Austin Mayor Who Told Citizens To ‘Stay Home’ Was Vacationing in Mexico with Extended Family – Reason.com

"We need to stay home if you can," said Adler in a pre-recorded video address posted to Facebook. "Do everything you can to try to keep the numbers down. This is not the time to relax. We may have to close things down if we're not careful."

Adler might have said we need to stay home, but he clearly didn't mean it. In fact, Adler recorded that message from Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, where he was vacationing with members of his extended family, according to an infuriating report by local news channel KVUE.

The mayor of Austin is just one more person in government who can't practice what he preaches. The COVID-19 pandemic has supplied no shortage of other examples: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.), Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, San Francisco Mayor London Breed, New Jersey Gov. Phil Murray, and of course, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo. Lockdowns are just for us peasants, it seems.
 

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A large number of COVID-19 deaths may be due to vitamin D insufficiency. A more rigorous randomized controlled trial is being done to study this.


Nutrients | Free Full-Text | Vitamin D Insufficiency May Account for Almost Nine of Ten COVID-19 Deaths: Time to Act. Comment on: “Vitamin D Deficiency and Outcome of COVID-19 Patients”. Nutrients 2020, 12, 2757 | HTML


Evidence from observational studies is accumulating, suggesting that the majority of deaths due to SARS-CoV-2 infections are statistically attributable to vitamin D insufficiency and could potentially be prevented by vitamin D supplementation. Given the dynamics of the COVID-19 pandemic, rational vitamin D supplementation whose safety has been proven in an extensive body of research should be promoted and initiated to limit the toll of the pandemic even before the final proof of efficacy in preventing COVID-19 deaths by randomized trials.

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mortality was much higher among vitamin D insufficient patients than among other patients. When translated to the proportion of deaths in the population that is statistically attributable to vitamin D insufficiency (“population attributable risk proportion”), a key measure of public health relevance of risk factors [2], these results imply that 87% of COVID-19 deaths may be statistically attributed to vitamin D insufficiency and could potentially be avoided by eliminating vitamin D insufficiency.

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Although final proof of causality and prevention of deaths by vitamin D supplementation would have to come from randomized trials which meanwhile have been initiated (e.g., [5]), the results of such trials will not be available in the short run. Given the dynamics of the COVID-19 pandemic and the proven safety of vitamin D supplementation, it therefore appears highly debatable and potentially even unethical to await results of such trials before public health action is taken.
 

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Guess whose bodies have notoriously low vitamin D levels? The elderly and people with preexisting conditions that limit their mobility so that they catch fewer sunlight.

I wouldn't be surprised if you could find a correlation between deaths from Covid-19 and hours spent watching reruns of Matlock episodes.
 

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My state has these ads playing asking people to wear their mask to help curb spread but I'm sitting here like...
there's no disclaimer in the ad at all to continue to social distance or avoid large gatherings. :dry:

Those people who are discussing getting sick even while wearing the mask? Where do you think they were...?
The mask helps keep some of the germs to you and allow us to spread less of the major droplets, but it does not in any way alleviate social distancing protocols or gathering protocols. It is only if we stick to following all of these the absolute best we can that we can alleviate spread. But it seems too many people in America at least think the mask itself protects them enough to get right underneath people, next to them, go to restaurants bars and parties, etc. and they get shocked when they get covid. I see people always going "why can't they hug? They have masks on." for the love of god it doesn't work that way.

This is my baseless rant for the day. Idaho has federal people here trying to help us because we do not have enough hospitals for what is going on with covid now and I guess our worthless governor is just hiding somewhere because he definitely hasn't shown his face.
 

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Guess whose bodies have notoriously low vitamin D levels? The elderly and people with preexisting conditions that limit their mobility so that they catch fewer sunlight.

I wouldn't be surprised if you could find a correlation between deaths from Covid-19 and hours spent watching reruns of Matlock episodes.

My grandpa had a vitamin d defiency and didn't even know it before. My mother is nervous about covid so she was looking for some to take and it seems everyone is hoard buying vitamin d and zinc.

I wish the MSM would stop making some of this worse by constantly touting different ideas or scare tactics about this or that possibly shortening in supply so then it DOES happen because a bunch of people go HOARD buy it. This has just been a mess.
 

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My grandpa had a vitamin d defiency and didn't even know it before. My mother is nervous about covid so she was looking for some to take and it seems everyone is hoard buying vitamin d and zinc.

I wish the MSM would stop making some of this worse by constantly touting different ideas or scare tactics about this or that possibly shortening in supply so then it DOES happen because a bunch of people go HOARD buy it. This has just been a mess.

Sadly I'm not surprised people are trying to profiteer off these things.
I can't speak for American media, but over here it's mainly "alternative" media spreading these kinds of speculations. The professional media tend to be more cautious in their reporting. But I do see that this might vary from place to place and no country is immune to sensationalism or clickbaiting.
 

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What do you think of single parents who bring their children to grocery stores?
I know this question was directed towards someone else, but I think this is a rough time for people and I'm not inclined to judge people working within the constraints of their lives in the pandemic. If someone needs food and it isn't safe to leave the children alone, I can see someone end up at the grocery store with children. I mostly lose patience with people dismissing the pandemic in favor of pet abstract notions that please them emotionally to believe with complete disregard of the external world. I hate and judge abstract games that have disastrous real-world applications.

If I were a single mother, I would be ordering a lot of Cheerios for delivery at least from Walmart, even if local stores didn't deliver. I can respect a parent wanting fresh produce and dairy for children which cannot be ordered online in some places. I think people have to do the best they can and take some risks within the constraints of their life and choices. Anyone doing their sincere best, including some mishaps and flaws, has my respect.
 

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Lincoln County Colorado has 1050 cases per 100K per day. Good lord. That is the worst I've ever seen on the NYTimes map. Extremely bad counties typically have 200-350 per 100K per day.

Bent County Colorado has 556 cases per 100K per day.

Edit: I see on their Lincoln county page it says 538 cases per 100K per day. Maybe two days were counted as one on the NYTimes map? Still bad though.
 

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Guess whose bodies have notoriously low vitamin D levels? The elderly and people with preexisting conditions that limit their mobility so that they catch fewer sunlight.

Right, and maybe that's why they're most likely to die from COVID? Maybe this study is showing that supplementing vitamin D partially removes this age-associated vulnarability?

There's a fairly rigorous study which shows that vitamin D plays a clear role respiratory tract infections:

Vitamin D supplementation to prevent acute respiratory tract infections: systematic review and meta-analysis of individual participant data | The BMJ

Conclusions and policy implications

Our study reports a major new indication for vitamin D supplementation: the prevention of acute respiratory tract infection. We also show that people who are very deficient in vitamin D and those receiving daily or weekly supplementation without additional bolus doses experienced particular benefit. Our results add to the body of evidence supporting the introduction of public health measures such as food fortification to improve vitamin D status, particularly in settings where profound vitamin D deficiency is common.

For a less academic but wider overview, see:
Can Vitamin D Lower Your Risk of COVID-19?


And don't forget the people who are in government-imposed lockdowns. :newwink: Especially those in urban areas who tend to be poorer, and where the lockdowns are more stringently enforced by the government. Many of these orders are specifically titled "stay home" orders, at least here in the US, implying avoidance of being outside. In fact, in the spring lockdowns, many outdoor parks were closed. Most recently, in Los Angeles, even walking outside has been banned.


I wouldn't be surprised if you could find a correlation between deaths from Covid-19 and hours spent watching reruns of Matlock episodes.

Funny. :laugh:

Vitamin D has already been shown to be relevant to the immune system and respiratory infections. Is there any data on the effects of Matlock episodes? :wink:


Some initial randomized controlled trial pilot studies are showing promising results for vitamin D supplements:

“Effect of calcifediol treatment and best available therapy versus best available therapy on intensive care unit admission and mortality among patients hospitalized for COVID-19: A pilot randomized clinical study” - ScienceDirect

Conclusion
Our pilot study demonstrated that administration of a high dose of Calcifediol or 25-hydroxyvitamin D, a main metabolite of vitamin D endocrine system, significantly reduced the need for ICU treatment of patients requiring hospitalization due to proven COVID-19. Calcifediol seems to be able to reduce severity of the disease, but larger trials with groups properly matched will be required to show a definitive answer.


There is also some evidence that other vitamins and supplements can help also. A non-academic overview is given here:

Can Supplements Fight Coronavirus (COVID-19)? 15 Immune Boosters
 

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I take vitamin D supplement as well as sunning myself in the bright, Australian sunshine.

Last week I caught a cold, I could tell it was going to be bad one, so I dosed myself with vitamin C , 500 mg every six hours, and to my delight and surprise my head cold went in two days.

Can't get much better than that.
 

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The manager of a Staten Island bar who has repeatedly and flamboyantly defied New York’s coronavirus restrictions hit a sheriff’s deputy with his Jeep early Sunday as he unsuccessfully tried to escape arrest, the sheriff’s office said. The bar, Mac’s Public House, was ordered closed by the state on Wednesday, but deputies said they found several patrons being served there on Saturday night. When deputies confronted the manager, Daniel Presti, he fled to his Jeep and drove into one of the deputies, throwing him onto the hood, according to the sheriff’s office.

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