Coronavirus

[Hellena Handbasket]

Can you get COVID-19 from deer?

A recent study from Penn State found that more than 80% percent of the white-tailed deer sampled in different parts of Iowa between December 2020 and January 2021 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, or…

www.google.com

I’m guessing it will be similar to how they check deer for zombie deer virus and other diseases now. Care handling deceased animals and testing and precautions etc

You’d be surprised the number of animals that carry communicable diseases. From bubonic plague to leprosy. It all comes down to safety.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Minnesota + 11100 new record

Maine +1100 new record

Rode island +615 the worst day since spring

 

[Luminous]

Can you get COVID-19 from deer?

A recent study from Penn State found that more than 80% percent of the white-tailed deer sampled in different parts of Iowa between December 2020 and January 2021 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, or…

www.google.com

I’m guessing it will be similar to how they check deer for zombie deer virus and other diseases now. Care handling deceased animals and testing and precautions etc

You’d be surprised the number of animals that carry communicable diseases. From bubonic plague to leprosy. It all comes down to safety.

Oh yes, there are prairie dogs here with plague. And yet people will get out of their cars to walk near them. *shakes head*

 

[SD45T-2]

How SARS-CoV-2 in American deer could alter the course of the global pandemic

Scientists have evidence that SARS-CoV-2 is circulating in white-tailed deer in the U.S. They say the findings could essentially dash any hopes of eliminating the virus in the U.S. — and the world.

www.npr.org

All right... who the hell coughed on a deer?

If I'm understanding the article correctly, it doesn't seem to be making them ill, they're just carrying it around. So I guess it's good that we don't have to worry about them becoming endangered.

This isn't the first time this virus was detected in animals. After all it probably passed from animals to humans in the first place and that is how we got here.

However if deers prove to be such a problem we will just have to avoid them, kill them or vaccinate them. If there is will there is a way.

That's a very Soviet sort of proposal that I'm pretty sure wouldn't fly in the US.

Oh yes, there are prairie dogs here with plague. And yet people will get out of their cars to walk near them. *shakes head*

Prairie dog plague? That's news to me. I just know that the bison aren't toys.

 

[Hellena Handbasket]

Oh yes, there are prairie dogs here with plague. And yet people will get out of their cars to walk near them. *shakes head*

Here, it’s armadillos.

Prairie dog plague? That's news to me. I just know that the bison aren't toys.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1242910540105576450

 

[Virtual ghost]

That's a very Soviet sort of proposal that I'm pretty sure wouldn't fly in the US.

You aren't the first to quote me here on that and I am getting impression that you guys took me too strictly on this. My point was simply that this is almost surely solvable if it becomes a problem. Since the original headline was kinda dramatic.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Early Christmas present that nobody wants.



South Africa: Scientists detect new COVID-19 variant

And this one could be a real "freak show".

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

I've been following Dr. John Campbell because he focuses on data analysis and not opinion. He also was a professor of nursing and is clear when explaining complex information.

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[Abcdenfp]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/countries-scramble-omicron-covid-variant_n_61a23574e4b025be1ae9e90f

and then there's the new variant, our old normal slowly fades away into the background. Travel may return but it will never be the same, border regulations will tighten and the countries that dont have access to vaccination's will continue to suffer, just praying that a mutation that has more severe side affects does not emerge.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

Reading comments online in places like youtube in response to this Omicron variant is really depressing. There is an overwhelming philosophy that you can reshape reality through denial and thinking positive. Whatever happened to science education? I value reasoned debate and consider there are issues to discuss in relationship to the pandemic, but it's mostly really low level reasoning in the comments. I hadn't realized that actual condition of human cognition before this pandemic.

Most of the lowest level reasoning is expressed with bravado as though the individual understands everything and feigns control over the situation. I wish there were more people admitting they don't know everything.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Reading comments online in places like youtube in response to this Omicron variant is really depressing. There is an overwhelming philosophy that you can reshape reality through denial and thinking positive. Whatever happened to science education? I value reasoned debate and consider there are issues to discuss in relationship to the pandemic, but it's mostly really low level reasoning in the comments. I hadn't realized that actual condition of human cognition before this pandemic.

Most of the lowest level reasoning is expressed with bravado as though the individual understands everything and feigns control over the situation. I wish there were more people admitting they don't know everything.

Unfortunately, I'm not surprised by any of this.

 

[Virtual ghost]

In short:

Pre 2001 world is gone
Pre 2016 world is basicaly gone
Pre 2020 world is quickly slipping away


In long:

The things is that if this new variant is close to what most think it is that means we blew it. The variant was probably mutated into life somewhere in completely remote parts of Africa. However there is nothing, no tests, no vaccines, no healthcare at all. Therefore the variant was probably detected only when it came to the most developed parts of Africa. Such as South Africa and Egypt. However what is medically going on through most of the continent is generally unknown. I mean this is hardly the first time that Africa harbors a health threat to the world. However since the continent is quite uncovered with any data gathering this was kinda predictable. Plus we will now probably fail in stopping of new variant since it wasn't detected on time. Especially since the number of countries that are reporting the first case is quickly rising. What is logical since it is enough that the variant contaminates local airport and it will be going in various directions in no time. Even the direct ban probably wouldn't do much since you can get it from proxy location(s). In other words as soon as it is in global airport system it is hard to stop it, especially if it isn't even detected on time. What is proven by some infected people who weren't even close to South Africa, but they were at the airports.


So this winter will probably be a complete mess. The delta on its own was enough for that but this could really spill the glass in unsubtle way.

 

[Virtual ghost]

This is almost as if the new game is starting from zero. Everyone lost the count with infected in endless millions and now we have a new game.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Worldometer South Africa


There is already a bump in new cases and today is new record of this starting wave.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

I should likely stop reading the comments online about Omicron, but this one encapsulates the cultural assumptions that lead to errors in thinking...

While I'm no expert in viruses, I feel I'm an expert in reading people's BS

People are relying on their social reasoning almost exclusively. They feel confident in the social dynamic, but have no ability to reason with logic or have a knowledge base of science. Humans create shared perceptual constructs and process reality in this manner on many levels of society. It is as though gossip, (socially shared unfounded perceptions) is reality on a deep cultural level. This pandemic is revealing a fundamentally flawed aspect of human perception and thought.

Besides getting vaccinated, I want to put my brain through a rigorous analysis to stop this tendency in myself.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Swiss voters back COVID certificate

 

[Coriolis]

I should likely stop reading the comments online about Omicron, but this one encapsulates the cultural assumptions that lead to errors in thinking...


People are relying on their social reasoning almost exclusively. They feel confident in the social dynamic, but have no ability to reason with logic or have a knowledge base of science. Humans create shared perceptual constructs and process reality in this manner on many levels of society. It is as though gossip, (socially shared unfounded perceptions) is reality on a deep cultural level. This pandemic is revealing a fundamentally flawed aspect of human perception and thought.

Besides getting vaccinated, I want to put my brain through a rigorous analysis to stop this tendency in myself.

People hear statements like, "Science can never prove anything/provide 100% certainty" and on that basis, dismiss scientific advice as unreliable. Of course that statement is correct. Nothing can provide that level of proof or certainty, even the scientific method. What science can do is DISprove flawed or inaccurate conclusions. Unscientific approaches cannot. What we generally regard as "scientific knowledge" are those explanations that have not (yet) been disproven, that have withstood the test of time and continue to explain all available observations. When it comes to questions regarding the natural, physical world, that is the best we can do. Settling for less won't give a better outcome, and can be outright dangerous on matters of consequence like pandemics or climate change.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

People hear statements like, "Science can never prove anything/provide 100% certainty" and on that basis, dismiss scientific advice as unreliable. Of course that statement is correct. Nothing can provide that level of proof or certainty, even the scientific method. What science can do is DISprove flawed or inaccurate conclusions. Unscientific approaches cannot. What we generally regard as "scientific knowledge" are those explanations that have not (yet) been disproven, that have withstood the test of time and continue to explain all available observations. When it comes to questions regarding the natural, physical world, that is the best we can do. Settling for less won't give a better outcome, and can be outright dangerous on matters of consequence like pandemics or climate change.

Very true, and it is exactly at odds with the social reasoning being applied here. The pandemic, along with most every important global issue, is reduced to a football game. In that social context you choose a team, support everything about it and everyone on it to win the game. You say cheers like "We're #1, we're made the best to beat the rest 'case we're #1!". That mental attitude of superiority and domination and total group adherence is what is required to win the game over a similar group of humans. In addition to superiority there is also a different approach to fear processing. To win the game or the battle, fear can not ever be admitted. Anyone who feels it will be distracted from grabbing the ball, so bravado supplants reasoned fear.

For this reason expressing reasoned doubt, being cautious, admitting fears and concerns, is every method of thought and behavior that is seen as a detriment to winning the 'game'.

En masse the information about the pandemic is unconsciously being forced into this paradigm. Yes, their approach will win the football game, it will even win the mortal fight on the battlefield, but it will be the death and permanent tissue damage of many during a pandemic. It is using a hammer to turn a screw.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Yeah, it will spread everywhere eventually.

 

[ceecee]

Yeah, it will spread everywhere eventually.

Of course. And it will continue to mutate and produce more and more variants. A combination of refusal of places like the US to not look at getting every person on the planet vaccinated and all the "you do you" happening worldwide.