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New analysis on Covid spread triggered by Sturgis event and implicated in the current epidemic in South Dakota. The estimates in this paper, if confirmed, would place Sturgis as the largest studied super spreading event in U.S.

I'm betting the difference between the amount of people spreading COVID at protests and the amount of people spreading COVID at Sturgis is mask wearing and other behaviors like packing the bars. But if you really want to see why the COVID numbers from Sturgis are this bad....

It is also important to consider the comorbidity of COVID-19 combining with the stupidivirus. It increases the viral load and all other kinds of loads.
 

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New analysis on Covid spread triggered by Sturgis event and implicated in the current epidemic in South Dakota. The estimates in this paper, if confirmed, would place Sturgis as the largest studied super spreading event in U.S.

I'm betting the difference between the amount of people spreading COVID at protests and the amount of people spreading COVID at Sturgis is mask wearing and other behaviors like packing the bars. But if you really want to see why the COVID numbers from Sturgis are this bad....


These are the kinds of people I had to grow up around. It's also why I dont really have many friends. the kids at 7:00 the kinda kids I had to go to school with. :doh:
 

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These are the kinds of people I had to grow up around. It's also why I dont really have many friends. the kids at 7:00 the kinda kids I had to go to school with. :doh:
Good lord. You have my sympathies and my respect. Good lord.
 

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Good lord. You have my sympathies and my respect. Good lord.

Yeah, you would not believe what I had to do to keep from getting messed with, do you have any idea how crazy you have to seem to get those kind of feral humans to fear you enough to leave you be? It's not pleasant. :shocking:
 

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"Public health lessons learned from biases in coronavirus mortality overestimation"
Journal: Disaster Medicine and Public Health Preparedness
Public health lessons learned from biases in coronavirus mortality overestimation | Disaster Medicine and Public Health Preparedness | Cambridge Core

Author:
Ronald B. Brown, PhD
School of Public Health and Health Systems
University of Waterloo, Waterloo


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Abstract

In testimony before U.S. Congress on March 11, 2020, members of the House Oversight and Reform Committee were informed that estimated mortality for the novel coronavirus was tentimes higher than for seasonal influenza. Additional evidence, however, suggests the validity of this estimation could benefit from vetting for biases and miscalculations. The main objective of this article is to critically appraise the coronavirus mortality estimation presented to Congress. Informational texts from the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are compared with coronavirus mortality calculations in Congressional testimony. Results of this critical appraisal reveal information bias and selection bias in coronavirus mortality overestimation, most likely caused by misclassifying an influenza infection fatality rate as a case fatality rate. Public health lessons learned for future infectious disease pandemics include: safeguarding against research biases that may underestimate or overestimate an associated risk of disease and mortality; reassessing the ethics of fear-based public health campaigns; and providing full public disclosure of adverse effects from severe mitigation measures to contain viral transmission.

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Selected quotes from the article (boldface mine):

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As health authorities responded to the COVID-19 pandemic by implementing lockdowns and other mitigation measures with minimal supporting evidence, scientists warned of “a fiasco in the making,” Caution was also raised against violations of fundamental principles of science and logic, such as the mistaken assumption that correlation implies causation. For example, the public’s belief that mitigation measures were responsible for reducing coronavirus mortality may be a post hoc fallacy if lower mortality was actually due to the overestimation of coronavirus deaths.

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Exaggerated levels of fear were driven by sensationalist media coverage during the COVID19 pandemic. And yet, while the public was ordered to lockdown, overall costs and benefits to society from severe mitigation measures had not been assessed. Fear of infection also prevented people from seeking needed healthcare services in hospitals during the pandemic. The ethics of implementing fear-based public health campaigns needs to be reevaluated for the potential harm these strategies can cause. Dissemination of vital health information to the public should employ emotionally persuasive messaging without exploiting and encouraging overreactions based on fear.

In addition, legal and ethical violations associated with mitigation of pandemic diseases were previously investigated by the Institute of Medicine in 2007. People should have the right to full disclosure of all information pertinent to adverse impacts of mitigation measures during a pandemic, including information on legal and constitutional human rights issues, and the public should be guaranteed a voice in a transparent process as authorities establish public health policy.

Lastly, severe mitigating measures during the COVID-19 pandemic caused considerable global social and economic disruption. Enforced lockdowns increased domestic violence, closed businesses and schools, laid off workers, restricted travel, affected capital markets, threatened the security of low-income families, and saddled governments with massive debt. Between February and April 2020, U.S. unemployment rose from 3.5%, the lowest in 50 years, to 14.7%. A recession in the United States was also officially declared in June 2020 by the National Bureau of Economic Research, ending 128 months of historic economic expansion. Of relevance, economic downturns are associated with higher suicide rates compared to times of prosperity, and increased suicide risk may be associated with economic stress as a consequence of severe mitigation measures during a pandemic.

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In closing, nations across the globe may fearfully anticipate future waves of the coronavirus pandemic, and look bleakly toward outbreaks of other novel viral infections with a return to severe mitigation measures. However, well-worn advice from a famous aphorism by the poet philosopher George Santayana should be borne in mind, which is relevant to public health lessons learned in this article: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

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New analysis on Covid spread triggered by Sturgis event and implicated in the current epidemic in South Dakota. The estimates in this paper, if confirmed, would place Sturgis as the largest studied super spreading event in U.S.

I'm betting the difference between the amount of people spreading COVID at protests and the amount of people spreading COVID at Sturgis is mask wearing and other behaviors like packing the bars. But if you really want to see why the COVID numbers from Sturgis are this bad....


While I 1000% agree this is dumb as all fuck (there was a motorcycle rally in my state and my first thought was hey look a covid party) I really doubt as crowded and grouped together as those protests are that masks actually make a difference. And with agendas, would anyone even report if the protests caused a spike in covid?

either that, or those at the protests
1. didn't get regular testing
2. just happened to be doing something "more important" because they've gone around locked down places saying Racism is a public health emergency so they can have these huge ass gatherings. Therefore they're not gonna show it can cause a spike.
3. They were lucky af that others were not ill.
4. Almost all protests were outside. Outdoors allow for proper ventilation and better protection. Some of the sturgis people, as stated, pack into crowded bars and etc which an enclosed area has ALWAYS been a higher risk for covid because the air may not circulate it out swiftly enough. and there's little personal space in some of these places.

Also, doubt these people were following any guidelines BEFORE the bike event either. So that I think plays an even larger role in transmission, because since they likely previously did not follow guidelines, it is far more likely for multiple of them to have had it at the event. And in a crowded bar, if one had a mask on and sneezed, some of the droplets WILL still escape, so, the other parts come into play and therefore it is nearly impossible for it not to spread even with masks.

this is why SOCIAL DISTANCING is really the only foolproof way to NOT spread or receive covid-19.
 

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^I also think that in these gatherings, you would only know if they have Covid if they became deathly sick because the people who deny it are never going to admit they are sick with it unless they have to be rushed to the hospital and forced to have a test. I've known other gatherings where they brag about not getting sick, but they likely blame it on allergies and other viruses. We would only know the number that got deathly sick among deniers.
 

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We passed 900 000 dead globally.


But in the case we didn't do anything the number would be much much larger at this point.
 

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Woodward book: Trump says he knew coronavirus was ‘deadly’ while intentionally misleading Americans

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...68fe3c-efd2-11ea-b4bc-3a2098fc73d4_story.html

“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.”

“This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.

Trump admitted to Woodward on March 19 that he deliberately minimized the danger. "To be honest with you, I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic.”



** Soundclips of conversations between Bob Woodward and Trump on WAPO site.

This guy belongs in prison. Lying to the public in order prevent a panic is not how you run a nation; it's how you destroy one.
 

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India + 95500

Yeap, they are going into 6 digit zone.







While this also doesn't look pretty


Spain +8800
France +8500
Czechia +1100 (daily record)
Netherlands +1100
Romania +1200
 

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Woodward book: Trump says he knew coronavirus was ‘deadly’ while intentionally misleading Americans

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...68fe3c-efd2-11ea-b4bc-3a2098fc73d4_story.html



This guy belongs in prison. Lying to the public in order prevent a panic is not how you run a nation; it's how you destroy one.

He is the worst mother fucker... I mean seriously... February 2nd:


TRANSCRIPT:
...you know it's a very tricky situation
it's uh
it goes it goes through air bob that's
always tougher than the touch you know
the touch you don't have to touch things
right but the air
you just breathe the air and that's how
it's uh passed
and so that's a very tricky one that's a
very delicate one
it's also more deadly than your you know
your even your strenuous flus
you know
people don't realize we lose twenty five
thousand thirty thousand people a year
here
who would ever think that right i know
that that's pretty amazing
and then i say well is that the same
thing for
this is more deadly this is five per
you know this is five percent versus one
percent and less than one percent
you know so this is deadly stuff...

iTz jUSt a FlU!!11!

Fuck all of them.
 

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Something particularly disorienting (as it's designed to be) is that a guy who instills divisive panic at every turn in as much of the population of the country as possible is claiming that's the reason he wasn't forthcoming about the seriousness? He couldn't have stepped in to stop his base from rage-coughing on others when asked to put on a mask because.....it would have caused panic?

I mean, junior highschool kids are better at covering their real motivations. How are people blind enough to gobble this shit up?
 

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He is the worst mother fucker... I mean seriously...
Fuck all of them.

Why am I thinking about the overthrow of Milosevic? ;)

I described Milošević’s relationship to the truth in a way that I now realize fits Trump, too.

I would have had better luck trying to land a punch on a hologram. Milošević existed in a different dimension, a twilight zone of lies, and I was mucking about in the dimension of facts. He had spent his entire life in the world of communism, and he had become a master, an absolute master, at fabrication. Of course my verbal punches went right through him. It was as though I pointed to a black wall and asked Milošević what color it was. White, he says. No, I reply, look at it, that wall there, it is black, it is five feet away from us. He looks at it, then at me, and says, The wall is white, my friend, maybe you should have your eyes checked. He does not shout in anger. He sounds concerned for my eyesight. I knew the wall was black. I could see the wall. I had touched the wall. I had watched the workmen paint it black.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/07/what-slobodan-milosevic-taught-me-about-donald-trump/
 
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