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Google says that globally:


39.5% of the world has first dose
26.8% of the world has second dose

Imma feeling somewhat privileged now.
Even though Imma on the country that is a champion in deaths and infection, so not so much.
 

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Imma feeling somewhat privileged now.
Even though Imma on the country that is a champion in deaths and infection, so not so much.


Well, Brazil is just enough "civilized" that you can at least talk about it. While in some countries the topic never got opened in the first place and they stayed under the global radar. What makes Brazil look bad, but Brazil actually isn't at the bottom on this issue.


For example you have places like Nigeria that is quite similar in population size but the testing per capita is 23 times lower even than Brazil.
While fully vaccinated are only 0.7% of the population (compared to 29% in Brazil). The only thing those people have is very warm climate and very young population, but besides that there seems to be nothing else. So next to that even you are still "privileged".
 

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Well, Brazil is just enough "civilized" that you can at least talk about it. While in some countries the topic never got opened in the first place and they stayed under the global radar. What makes Brazil look bad, but Brazil actually isn't at the bottom on this issue.


For example you have places like Nigeria that is quite similar in population size but the testing per capita is 23 times lower even than Brazil.
While fully vaccinated are only 0.7% of the population (compared to 29% in Brazil). The only thing those people have is very warm climate and very young population, but besides that there seems to be nothing else. So next to that even you are still "privileged".

Well, majority cases here are non-reported as well, even deaths were underestimated last year - real number is something like 1.5x, but I haven't checked this year and I haven't heard of any, so anti-quarantiners here probably found a way to suppress these sources influences.

Brazil is sort of bottom at this issue, although surprisingly not on vaccines. From the major countries, definitely. But we know that the unknown peak of Africa and India where you and I were expecting to be happening should be happening right now.
 

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Well, right in the beginning it was said that this pandemic is actually the real beginning of 21th century. Just as 20th politically started with ww1 rather than year 1901.

what's that make September 11th 2001?

I believe 20th starts with the treaty of versailles myself, though i'm biased by an americentric view of the world.

19th starts with the napoleonic wars
 
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what's that make September 11th 2001?

Something derpy relatives feel a need to remind everyone happened constantly even though it's resulted in far less deaths than the coronavirus that many of them don't believe in getting vaccinated for.

I cringe every time the anniversary comes up, and I know this year is going to be especially bad. But it really doesn't need to be September. Any time of the year will do.

To be fair, I guess given the goldfish memory of many Americans, it's entirely probably that if they didn't post dumb facebook memes about it 365 days a year, they very well might forget a happen. Even so, I question the need to regard that as the one historical event everyone needs to remember. I guess there is also that vague awareness people have of the other side doing some bad things during WWII but half of them seem to think it started because they didn't have prayer in schools or respect the flag and don't seem to make the connection that it was about scapegoating minority groups for political gain.
 

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Something derpy relatives feel a need to remind everyone happened constantly even though it's resulted in far less deaths than the coronavirus that many of them don't believe in getting vaccinated for.

I cringe every time the anniversary comes up, and I know this year is going to be especially bad. But it really doesn't need to be September. Any time of the year will do.

To be fair, I guess given the goldfish memory of many Americans, it's entirely probably that if they didn't post dumb facebook memes about it 365 days a year, they very well might forget a happen. Even so, I question the need to regard that as the one historical event everyone needs to remember. I guess there is also that vague awareness people have of the other side doing some bad things during WWII but half of them seem to think it started because they didn't have prayer in schools or respect the flag and don't seem to make the connection that it was about scapegoating minority groups for political gain.

The performative nationalism will be off the charts this year.


Plus W has already said he has something "big" planned for the 20th anniversary. Which I assumed is 9/11 2.0
 

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what's that make September 11th 2001?



That was very important day in your national history, but for large parts of the world the day doesn't have that much of a practical or historic meaning. In the same way I have some dates in the last 20 years that don't have major or almost any implication for you. While this pandemic is truly the event that shocked the whole globe fundamentally and we will probably never manage to go fully back in all regards. So this is simply much bigger crossroad, even if from American perspective that may not be obvious.


Perhaps we can say that with this the warm up for the 21th century is over and the main show should start now.
 

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As far as I know the 20th century is known as the "short century" (World War One to the fall of the Soviet Union) while the 19th century is called the "long century" (from the French revolution to World War One). At least that is the customary division as far as I am aware and also how the Wikipedia articles define the terms since they are based on two influential books with those names.
 
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That was very important day in your national history, but for large parts of the world the day doesn't have that much of a practical or historic meaning. In the same way I have some dates in the last 20 years that doesn't have major or almost any implication for you. While this pandemic is truly the event that shocked the whole globe fundamentally and we will probably never manage to go fully back in all regards. So this is simply much bigger crossroad, even if from American perspective that may not be obvious.


Perhaps we can say that with this the warm up for the 21th century is over and the main show should start now.

excuse me but if they day is important to America, that means it is important to the world, good sir.
 

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excuse me but if they day is important to America, that means it is important to the world, good sir.



I was just waiting when this will show up, even as a joke.
It is true that the day has certain global importance but around the globe it just isn't that big of a deal. Sympathy to the families who lost someone but globally this wasn't some grand cultural changer as in US (or the closest allies).
 
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I was just waiting when this will show up, even as a joke.
It is true that the day has certain global importance but around the globe it just isn't that big of a deal. Sympathy to the families who lost someone but globally this wasn't some grand cultural changer as in US (or the closest allies).

Hey, I think our response to it certainly had an impact! A 20 year war is nothing to sneeze at. Plus who can forget the Tale of George and the Phantom WMDs?
 

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Hey, I think our response to it certainly had an impact! A 20 year war is nothing to sneeze at.


But that was my point, it was YOU that were in the war. Everyone else were more or less just observers or minor contributors to the effort.
Just as I said in the other thread, the rest of the world should have taken the whole Afghanistan thing much more seriously. Since that would probably result in a very different outcome when compared with what we have today.
 

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If this was the warm up, Im fearing the main show now!



And you should be.


 
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