Coronavirus

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Illinois: 543 deaths/million ; 6,770 deaths total
Texas: 79 deaths/million; 2,293 deaths total

I look at the graphs of new cases, and in Illinois, the peak is behind and the cases have flattened out dramatically. Texas is seeing quite a spike in a short amount of time, including to daily rates that seem to exceed Illinois by at least 1000. Like I said before, the numbers are higher because Illinois already hit its peak. It's not clear that Texas has (but I suspect it hasn't).

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Did the Illinois governor put in measures to protect nursing homes like the Florida governor? or did the Illinois governor put nursing home patients in danger by putting them in close proximity to Covid-19 patients like Cuomo?

You're a well informed citizen. Why don't you use the wealth of sources you consult and tell me?

I don't see any evidence in my search that Pritzker (that's the name of the Illinois governor, but I'm sure you knew that) has done what Cuomo did (which seems like a dumb idea) .What I do know is that he's been cautious about lockdowns, and has been lifting it in a very gradual process of different phases. He's also advised everyone to wear a mask when out, and, while I'm not sure if this is state or city, stores are not allowed to admit people without a mask. There are very strict rules about how many people they can let in, which is a minor pain in the ass, but necessary and worth the frustration it causes.

At any rate, we have an experiment of sorts in place to tell which approach to the virus is better. We can observe the cases in Texas and Illinois over the coming months and we should have a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn't. Perhaps I'm wrong an malaria pills, vitamins, and prayer are sufficient to fight the virus.

 

[Tellenbach]

Like I said before, the numbers are higher because Illinois already hit its peak. It's not clear that Texas has (but I suspect it hasn't).

Texas will never reach 543 deaths/million like Illinois. It has nothing to do with wearing masks; it has everything to do with nursing home policies and treatment policies (using hydroxychloroquine and zinc early in the treatment process).

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Texas will never reach 543 deaths/million like Illinois. It has nothing to do with wearing masks; it has everything to do with nursing home policies and treatment policies (using hydroxychloroquine and zinc early in the treatment process).

We have an experiment of sorts in place to tell which approach to the virus is better. We can observe the cases in Texas and Illinois over the coming months and we should have a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn't. Perhaps I'm wrong and malaria pills, oral bleach consumption, vitamins, and prayer are sufficient to fight the virus.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Oh. look at this report Fox News is giving me about another one of those "gold standard" states, Florida.

Florida coronavirus cases reach record levels

 

[Tellenbach]

We can observe the cases in Texas and Illinois over the coming months and we should have a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn't.

We already have enough data to know that Illinois and Pritzker failed miserably.

Illinois coronavirus nursing home deaths continue to climb, but new CDC data may be off

COVID-19 continues to march through Illinois long term care facilities at a devastating rate, climbing each week.

New state health data analyzed by the I-Team shows those numbers from the state's hardest hit sector account for at least 55 percent of Illinois' total coronavirus fatalities.

Pritzker is doing nothing to protect nursing homes and the same goes for other Democrat run states. Over half of the deaths come from a handful of Democrat run states.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

We already have enough data to know that Illinois and Pritzker failed miserably.

Illinois coronavirus nursing home deaths continue to climb, but new CDC data may be off



Pritzker is doing nothing to protect nursing homes and the same goes for other Democrat run states. Over half of the deaths come from a handful of Democrat run states.

Lol, Texas and Florida are either at their peaks right now, or may still hit it. Texas has way more new cases per day now than Illinois did at its peak.

 

[Tellenbach]

Texas has way more new cases per day now than Illinois did at its peak.

Again, this bug has a fatality rate of only 0.23%. The number of new cases is irrelevant. The important factors are nursing home policy and medical treatment policy. Over half the deaths in Illinois are in nursing homes; this is the most vulnerable patient pool and the population that would be most helped by early zinc/hydroxychloroquine treatment. Red states are more open to trying Zn/HCQ; blue states are not.

Why do you think blue states are performing so much worse than red states? You think it's because Dem states peaked earlier? Uhhh, no.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Again, this bug has a fatality rate of only 0.23%. The number of new cases is irrelevant. The important factors are nursing home policy and medical treatment policy. Over half the deaths in Illinois are in nursing homes; this is the most vulnerable patient pool and the population that would be most helped by early zinc/hydroxychloroquine treatment. Red states are more open to trying Zn/HCQ; blue states are not.

Nursing home deaths have been huge. What are the policies for the nursing homes in Florida that have been so successful? Note: "Having a Republican governor" is not a policy.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

And this. I mean.....

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott urges people to stay home as coronavirus surges | The Texas Tribune

Re-corking the bottle, when you have a state full of people who's idiocy you have nurtured and coddled the entire time, almost impossible and pointless.

Yeah. I caught some other headline today saying something about Rubio urging people to wear masks. And another headline saying the median age of confirmed cases seeking treatment in Florida is now 37 (they attribute it to older people being careful and younger people 100% not). Good luck with that, Rubio and Florida.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

NPR: Why Reopening Isn't Enough To Save The Economy

The $500 billion Paycheck Protection Program, which has given forgivable loans to businesses with fewer than 500 employees, doesn't appear to have done much to save jobs. When the researchers compare the employment trends of businesses with fewer than 500 employees with those with more, the smaller businesses eligible for PPP don't see a relative boost after the program went into effect. It looks like the program didn't do its job of saving jobs. Meanwhile, the stimulus checks, while increasing spending, did not have much stimulative effect because the spending mostly flowed to big companies like Amazon and Walmart. The money didn't flow to the rich ZIP code, in-person service businesses most affected by the downturn. Overall, the federal rescue package, they find, has failed to rescue the businesses and jobs getting hammered most by the pandemic.

Finally, there are state-permitted reopenings: They don't seem to boost the economy either. Chetty and his team compare, for example, Minnesota and Wisconsin. Minnesota allowed reopening weeks before Wisconsin, but if you look at spending patterns in both states, Minnesota did not see any boost compared with Wisconsin after it reopened. "The fundamental reason that people seem to be spending less is not because of state-imposed restrictions," Chetty said. "It's because high-income folks are able to work remotely, are choosing to self-isolate and are being cautious given health concerns. And unless you fundamentally address that concern, I think there's limited capacity to restart the economy."
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[Red Memories]

my county is having a big spike in cases and they're saying they have NO PLANS to return to phase 3 which we were in before spikes...


I guess it helps I don't go to bars. In ada county, 100 new cases have been linked to a single bar.

Don't get drunk and stupid outside your house guys.

 

[ceecee]

Dead wrong: Feds sent $1.4B in stimulus checks to over a million deceased

This falls squarely on the Trump administration and Steve Mnuchin. Can you imagine the right wingers if the Obama admin. had done this? But I see the apologists are out in full force claiming it was only a few people/little money (1.4 BILLION with a b). It's like how they scream about mail in ballot fraud that's never occurred but this is totally ok.

 

[Lexicon]

 

[ceecee]

Since there is some belief that only Democratic states are being run like a third world country, may I present the Republican run state of Texas.

Gov. Abbott again closes all bars in Texas as COVID-19 surges - HoustonChronicle.com

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Since there is some belief that only Democratic states are being run like a third world country, may I present the Republican run state of Texas.

Gov. Abbott again closes all bars in Texas as COVID-19 surges - HoustonChronicle.com

It's the gold standard.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Pretty proud of how Northam has handled it in VA. He's taken a lot of heat and this threatens Dems' chances of holding majority status in the legislature. Knowing this, he's still remained cautious about entering the next phase.

It is frustrating dealing with the skeptics, because when the lockdowns and other measures work, they then say "see it wasn't that bad after all" not really realizing that these measures are likely what kept it from being worse in the first place.

 

[ceecee]

EU Considers Barring US, Brazilian & Russian Travellers When it Opens Borders from July 1 - Euro Weekly News Spain Top News News Article

Better reconsider nationalizing the airlines because this will kill them otherwise.

 

[Red Herring]

EU Considers Barring US, Brazilian & Russian Travellers When it Opens Borders from July 1 - Euro Weekly News Spain Top News News Article

Better reconsider nationalizing the airlines because this will kill them otherwise.

We're on it. Lufthansa has already received massive help and there were some serious discussions about the degree of government involvement in exchange for that help.

Anyway, Germany is upholding its travel warning for Turkey (an important tourist destination). One reason is the still high number of new infections. Another reason is that Turkey plans to hospitalize all infected foreigners whether they want to or need to be or not (they sell it as a "generous offer in a highly unlikly case of infection"). The second reason is that they also try to forcetreat sick tourists with hydroxychloroquine. Hydroxychloroquine is not allowed as corona treatment in Germany and due to the risks the threat of this treatment is another cause for the travel warning. Turkey is pissed since tourism is an important industry.

What is it with strongmen/wannabe-dictators and this bogus treatment? Does anyone know if Bolsonaro is pushing the stuff as well?

 

[Vendrah]

We're on it. Lufthansa has already received massive help and there were some serious discussions about the degree of government involvement in exchange for that help.

Anyway, Germany is upholding its travel warning for Turkey (an important tourist destination). One reason is the still high number of new infections. Another reason is that Turkey plans to hospitalize all infected foreigners whether they want to or need to be or not (they sell it as a "generous offer in a highly unlikly case of infection"). The second reason is that they also try to forcetreat sick tourists with hydroxychloroquine. Hydroxychloroquine is not allowed as corona treatment in Germany and due to the risks the threat of this treatment is another cause for the travel warning. Turkey is pissed since tourism is an important industry.

What is it with strongmen/wannabe-dictators and this bogus treatment? Does anyone know if Bolsonaro is pushing the stuff as well?

Yes, Bolsonaro has been pushing chloroquine, but he hasnt been pushing that much in late weeks.
Chloroquine is used in treatment, but not by force, as far as I know.

 

[ceecee]

We're on it. Lufthansa has already received massive help and there were some serious discussions about the degree of government involvement in exchange for that help.

Anyway, Germany is upholding its travel warning for Turkey (an important tourist destination). One reason is the still high number of new infections. Another reason is that Turkey plans to hospitalize all infected foreigners whether they want to or need to be or not (they sell it as a "generous offer in a highly unlikly case of infection"). The second reason is that they also try to forcetreat sick tourists with hydroxychloroquine. Hydroxychloroquine is not allowed as corona treatment in Germany and due to the risks the threat of this treatment is another cause for the travel warning. Turkey is pissed since tourism is an important industry.

What is it with strongmen/wannabe-dictators and this bogus treatment? Does anyone know if Bolsonaro is pushing the stuff as well?

Financial stake in the companies that manufacture the drug and/or being buds with CEO's of those companies. In Trump's case, it's both. Plus donor $$ of course.

‘Dark money’ groups pushed Trump to back unproven COVID-19 treatment