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That was exactly my point, south of US is generally less developed than the north. Of course there are number of other factors such how much cosmopolitan the place is, how much of a transportation hub, how private is the culture ... etc.

Yeah, if you get sick in Texas or Louisiana, they don't have many doctors there, so you have to see a voodoo priestess who will rub your body with dead chicken parts to make you better. And they don't have the same equipment or standards in their hospital. Or plumbing or many cars. <---That's a joke. It's largely the same

However based on everything I have seen the temperature isn't that much a factor, especially on the long run.

It makes a big difference. Flu Virus Fortified In Colder Weather | National Institutes of Health (NIH)
 

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Yeah, if you get sick in Texas or Louisiana, they don't have many doctors there, so you have to see a voodoo priestess who will rub your body with dead chicken parts to make you better. And they don't have the same equipment or standards in their hospital. Or plumbing or many cars. <---That's a joke. It's largely the same



It makes a big difference. Flu Virus Fortified In Colder Weather | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

On my way to the town saloon the other day I overheard the sheriff and the deputy yappin' about some information box thingy they called the intranap or inner-nets or however you city slickers spell it. Personally, I think it all sounds like a buncha balognie if you ask me, but they say it'll change the way we do things 'round here....
 

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I agree. Hot weather might help 'slow' it, but it's not going to make that much of a difference. If the authorities keep dilly-dallying with the response it's not going to help whether your cases grow by 10% or 13%.


Exactly, even if there is some slowing down we none the less have to do everywhere what sane countries are doing. In order to fully halt the spread of the virus.



Yeah, if you get sick in Texas or Louisiana, they don't have many doctors there, so you have to see a voodoo priestess who will rub your body with dead chicken parts to make you better. And they don't have the same equipment or standards in their hospital. Or plumbing or many cars. <---That's a joke. It's largely the same



It makes a big difference. Flu Virus Fortified In Colder Weather | National Institutes of Health (NIH)


The last time I checked this isn't a flu virus. I am not medical expert but this is probably mixing of apples and oranges. (the forum members that know more about medicine can correct me)
Also there are some developed countries close to the equator and they none the less have the growing problem since their medical systems are detecting it (like Israel, Australia, etc.). This problem simply requires measures that go beyond the "business as usual".
 
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The last time I checked this isn't a flu virus. I am not medical expert but this is probably mixing of apples and oranges. (the forum members that know more about medicine can correct me) Also there are some developed countries close to the equator and they none the less have the growing problem since their medical systems are detecting it (like Israel, Australia, etc.). This problem simply requires measures that go beyond the "business as usual".

The respiratory diseases last longer in the winter due to several factors. This is one of those respiratory diseases. So you are wrong.

Texas hasn't shut down anything and they probably won't need to because this disease isn't as virulent there. It's already warm there and weather is a factor. You can disagree all you want, but it just makes you wrong.
 

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The respiratory diseases last longer in the winter due to several factors. This is one of those respiratory diseases. So you are wrong.

Texas hasn't shut down anything and they probably won't need to because this disease isn't as virulent there. It's already warm there and weather is a factor. You can disagree all you want, but it just makes you wrong.


Making the symptoms milder isn't the same as stopping the spread of the virus. Plus in a few months things will start to get colder again.
I mean the number of case seem to be going up so fast for USA that we will very quickly see which one of us got it more right. USA is 3rd in the number of cases at this point from what I have seen and the show probably didn't even start yet for real. What will probably be the case since the counter measures are insufficient by what seem to be global standard of counters in this situation. As I said countries with much warmer weather than southern USA seem to have an active problem with this.
 
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Making the symptoms milder isn't the same as stopping the spread of the virus. Plus in a few months things will start to get colder again.
I mean the number of case seem to be going up so fast for USA that we will very quickly see which one of us got it more right. USA is 3rd in the number of cases at this point from what I have seen and the show probably didn't even start yet for real. What will probably be the case since the counter measures are insufficient by what seem to be global standard of counters in this situation. As I said countries with much warmer weather than southern USA seem to have an active problem with this.

Weather is going to be a factor in the spread of contagious respiratory diseases and the morbidity and mortality of the disease. The weather is starting to warm up here, and that will be beneficial to the United States.
 

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Weather is going to be a factor in the spread of contagious respiratory diseases and the morbidity and mortality of the disease. The weather is starting to warm up here, and that will be beneficial to the United States.


It will probably be a factor to some degree but will it be the solution is the real question (in my opinion it wouldn't). Plus here weather is also warming up as the Spring is coming and nobody places any real faith into this.


Therefore: good luck. :shrug:
I really don't want to be a dick but in my book you are getting screwed.
 
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It will probably be a factor to some degree but will it be the solution is the real question (in my opinion it wouldn't). Plus here weather is also warming up as the Spring is coming and nobody places any real faith into this.


Therefore: good luck. :shrug:
I really don't want to be a dick but in my book you are getting screwed.

But you did want to be a dick. If you didn't, you'd have struck a different tone. You'd say, "I noticed on the map that less industrialized places are also warmer. So, maybe that's why there are less cases of coronavirus there." And I'd be like, "Oh. Good point. I hadn't noticed that. Maybe you're on to something. Thanks for pointing that out. That's interesting and worth considering."
 

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But you did want to be a dick. If you didn't, you'd have struck a different tone. You'd say, "I noticed on the map that less industrialized places are also warmer. So, maybe that's why there are less cases of coronavirus there." And I'd be like, "Oh. Good point. I hadn't noticed that. Maybe you're on to something. Thanks for pointing that out. That's interesting and worth considering."


Well I am from one pretty straight forward culture and I am also an obvious NTJ, therefore I am admit I am perhaps too straight forward person in many situations (what can be observed from my posting style). However I never wanted to be a dick and in my book I wasn't, since I concentrated on the argument which simply doesn't really stand in my book. Therefore I took the aim at it from various directions with desired to push people to be more open minded about the idea that they are getting screwed. My only real social mistake is that I didn't leave room for people escaping this fact as a defense mechanism.


There really was no bad intentions. :)
 

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I'm referencing the debate about hot weather slowing the coronavirus, but don't know which posts to quote. The articles I'm reading seem to indicate it is a current debate under research but without definitive conclusions yet. Live science has one article here. It would be good to stay updated to find out the results of their research. People are hoping, but are not certain because of Australia. My post is showing links to both sides of the current debate. I personally have no idea.

Will COVID-19 die down in summer? New tests could help answer that. | Live Science

Coronavirus in Australia suggests warm summer weather won'''t stop it - Business Insider
 

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I'm referencing the debate about hot weather slowing the coronavirus, but don't know which posts to quote. The articles I'm reading seem to indicate it is a current debate under research but without definitive conclusions yet. Live science has one article here. It would be good to stay updated to find out the results of their research. People are hoping, but are not certain because of Australia. My post is showing links to both sides of the current debate. I personally have no idea.

Will COVID-19 die down in summer? New tests could help answer that. | Live Science

Coronavirus in Australia suggests warm summer weather won'''t stop it - Business Insider

Looking at Brazil´s Corona distribution (Brazil has some good climate variety, perhaps one of the most climate varied countrys in the world), the warmer weather can potentially slow down, but cant stop the virus.

I couldnt find an updated corona map for brazil. One from 31/01, extremely early one, already show the pattern:

corona-recente.png


States below, from south, are all cooler than north and they all have more deaths by corona and more confirmed cases. But also take note that the south proportion of Brazil has more flights and more population density than the north. Amazon have some areas that are naturally quarantined (are still very isolated) and doesnt need any extra measure (thats for really small places, not capitals).

So, I think its likely that the temperature slows down, but it wont kill the virus. There are very warm places with cases already.
 
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Well I am from one pretty straight forward culture and I am also an obvious NTJ, therefore I am admit I am perhaps too straight forward person in many situations (what can be observed from my posting style). However I never wanted to be a dick and in my book I wasn't, since I concentrated on the argument which simply doesn't really stand in my book. Therefore I took the aim at it from various directions with desired to push people to be more open minded about the idea that they are getting screwed. My only real social mistake is that I didn't leave room for people escaping this fact as a defense mechanism.

There really was no bad intentions. :)

I know you and why you do what you do. You did make social mistakes and you know it. That's why you had to shrug and say "I'm not trying to be a dick." And I wouldn't even be addressing it, but you brought it up.

Why winter is cold and flu season—and what you can do about it | Popular Science

Being chilly doesn't literally make you catch a cold, no matter what your parents said whenever you left the house with wet hair. But it certainly seems like the coldest season is, well, cold season.

Not all kinds of illness are actually more common when it gets cold out, but we do see an uptick in things like colds and flus and respiratory ailments. Here's why that is—and what you can do about it.
The flu really does thrive in winter

There's no doubt that the flu virus somehow thrives in the cold. In the United States, flu activity peaks during the fall and winter. And in the southern hemisphere, the virus packs its nastiest punch during our summer—which is when the weather is coldest in that part of the globe.

As it turns out, the virus is basically designed to jump from person to person when the air is cold and dry. Studies have shown that transmission rates are highest when temperature and humidity are both low. Because cold air naturally holds less water, low humidity comes part and parcel with wintertime. Even when we heat that air up to make our homes cozy, it stays just as dry unless we employ a humidifier.

There are likely a couple factors at play here: cold air might help the flu virus survive longer outside of a human host, making it easier to linger after a cough or sneeze. Studies also suggest that the virus does a better job of circulating in low humidity. An infected individual exhales virus encased in tiny water droplets, and those droplets evaporate more quickly if the air is dry and desperate to leach moisture from any source. If the flu droplet shrinks fast enough, it can become so light that it circulates around in the air instead of falling to the ground.
Solution: Get a flu shot (it's not too late!), use hand sanitizer if you're sick or hanging out with sick folks, use a humidifier
You're spending more time indoors

Speaking of all that gross, dry heat, you're also more likely to get sick simply because you're spending more time inside. That means you're physically close to other people more often, breathing the same circulated air. Offices and schools are particularly treacherous. One 2014 study found that a pathogen placed on a single doorknob could essentially infiltrate an entire office building within a matter of hours. Surfaces in the break room were particularly vulnerable to the spread of viruses.

In this case, the only offense is a good defense. Try to be mindful of what you're touching and who else might have touched it, and practice good hand washing (or hand sanitizer use) between touching potentially germy surfaces and touching your face or food.

Solution: Try to work from home when sick, use hand sanitizer after touching shared surfaces (especially in the work kitchen and bathroom), remind your kids to keep their hands (and boogers) to themselves
Cold doesn't make you sick, but it does make you more vulnerable to illness

In addition to making it easier for the flu virus to circulate, cold, dry air leaves your mucus membranes in rough shape. That's why respiratory illness sees a general uptick in the winter: mucus is supposed to coat your respiratory system to protect it from pathogens, and wintry air dries that beneficial snot right up.

Seasonal changes also cause allergies to flare up as we're exposed to different kinds of pollens and dander. When your nose is running and your throat is all itchy, your mucus membranes are irritated and vulnerable—which makes it easier for an opportunistic virus to make itself at home. Persistent allergies can also lead to secondary bacterial infections in your throat or sinuses.

There’s also some evidence that our immune systems might take a hit in winter, whether it’s due to the cold itself or the lack of sunlight.

Solution: Get a humidifier, treat your allergies diligently to keep your mucus membranes happy, maintain good health by getting plenty of exercise, sleep, sunlight, and nutritious food.
 

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I know you and why you do what you do. You did make social mistakes and you know it. That's why you had to shrug and say "I'm not trying to be a dick." And I wouldn't even be addressing it, but you brought it up.

Why winter is cold and flu season—and what you can do about it | Popular Science



Well for me this is a serious strategic problem and therefore it requires more than just respecting social protocols. Especially if you aren't insulting the other person directly.



Everything you said about the flu seems to be correct and here we have exactly the same problem with flu (every year). However the problems is that this seem to be another type of virus and you can't make a direct parallel. Especially since people in the tropics are getting it as well. My local media are claiming that in third world countries (which generally have warm climate) there will probably be serious problems with this virus. Since there is no proper healthcare, no one really controls anything and temperature isn't "make it or brake it" factor. Cold air is generally bad for the lungs and warmer weather is good for the mood ...etc. but this isn't serious attitude towards a real pandemic. Therefore what basically entire American politics seems to be doing about this in my book can be defined pretty openly as treason and that is why I reject the whole narrative about temperature or what not. Since this is running away from what seems to be the real problem - the insanity of American high politics. Since at this point the country still doesn't really have the response or working strategy about what to do about this. What in the end probably means that the political center will shift to the Eastern hemisphere.


Currently China, Russia and Cuba are actively helping EU to put out the pandemic on the continent and that is openly in the news at this point (since it is seen as something good). Therefore I guess I am just getting used to what seems to be my future. Even if the trends have openly proven where things are going for a long time. This is why I facepalm at the "temperature talk".
 
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Breaking news.
Btw, Antonio Gutteres, UN secretary general calls for global cease fire to focus on handling Covid 19 Pandemic.
 

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I really wish people would stop travelling without knowing whether they even have it. All these New Yorkers coming to Florida should be tested before they're allowed to come here. Nobody is going to listen to these orders to self-isolate for two weeks, and how can they? Where are they going to go to do that? How will they get food and other supplies for themselves that they obviously can't bring much of on the plane trip over here? They're just going to spread it, that order isn't going to do a single bit of good.
 
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I really wish people would stop travelling without knowing whether they even have it. All these New Yorkers coming to Florida should be tested before they're allowed to come here. Nobody is going to listen to these orders to self-isolate for two weeks, and how can they? Where are they going to go to do that? How will they get food and other supplies for themselves that they obviously can't bring much of on the plane trip over here? They're just going to spread it, that order isn't going to do a single bit of good.

With all those old people there, the state of Florida should start shutting things down.
 
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