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Mind Maverick

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With all those old people there, the state of Florida should start shutting things down.
Yeah, that's why I've been predicting our death count ratios will be higher, sadly. Florida is retirement central. Instead, we're being slow to respond to everything...well, except for stocking up on food and toilet paper. People aren't even taking this shit seriously sometimes I think. The other day I was in the waiting room at a doctor's office and was able to make a sport of observing how many people were casually touching their faces after touching common places like the one and only door handle to get in and out, and it wasn't even a small doctor's office where there would only be a small number of people.
 

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Isoprene already posted this. Some dumbass ate aquarium cleaner. Whats to report?
I hadn't seen the article and appreciated the share, personally.


Woman in ICU: "Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure."NBC: "What would be your message to the American public?"
Woman: "Oh my God. Don't take anything. Don't believe anything. Don’t believe anything that the President says & his people...call your doctor."
Takes the wrong stuff that the president wasn't even referring to, much less claiming was a cure, because they're idiots
Still blames president
Okay lady
A prime example of why stupid people stay stupid
You can't actually learn from mistakes you don't take responsibility for
 

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I hadn't seen the article and appreciated the share, personally.



Takes the wrong stuff that the president wasn't even referring to, much less claiming was a cure, because they're idiots
Still blames president
Okay lady
A prime example of why stupid people stay stupid
You can't actually learn from mistakes you don't take responsibility for

Yeah, there is a reason people are doctors and random people are not. The chemicals Trump was even talking about have a cost benefit, and needs a doctor approval and monitoring due to the risk of arrhythmia. I would assume it would only be used in the most serious affected patients even if administered. Trump only said it was hopeful, and could change the game if its approved. Yet the media intentionally misconstrued it as the President says this drug could cure them, and its dangerous. Thats hes incompetent etc. Its all stupid. This shit needs to stop, and people need to grow the fuck up and get over Trump already.
 

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Why do people express anger and contempt for people who make a mistake and end up dead? Haven't they been punished enough for their error in attempting to self medicate? What purpose does it serve to speak with contempt? Does it make people feel safer because they are smarter? Yes, you are smarter, but a death sentence is more than enough punishment for doing something 'stupid' or making a mistake. I can see a reason for anger or contempt if the person gets someone else killed, but if they hurt their own self? It negates contempt in my mind. It's just a horrible thing that happened.
 

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Why do people express anger and contempt for people who make a mistake and end up dead? Haven't they been punished enough for their error in attempting to self medicate? What purpose does it serve to speak with contempt? Does it make people feel safer because they are smarter? Yes, you are smarter, but a death sentence is more than enough punishment for doing something 'stupid' or making a mistake. I can see a reason for anger or contempt if the person gets someone else killed, but if they hurt their own self? It negates contempt in my mind. It's just a horrible thing that happened.

Bless you for your empathy. There's not enough of people like you anymore. :hug:
 

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Why do people express anger and contempt for people who make a mistake and end up dead? Haven't they been punished enough for their error in attempting to self medicate? What purpose does it serve to speak with contempt? Does it make people feel safer because they are smarter? Yes, you are smarter, but a death sentence is more than enough punishment for doing something 'stupid' or making a mistake. I can see a reason for anger or contempt if the person gets someone else killed, but if they hurt their own self? It negates contempt in my mind. It's just a horrible thing that happened.


I am not sure about contempt part, however allowing bad but needless things to happen often feels like a personal failure to some people. (myself included)
Yes, the person got to do something stupid and paid with their life but that still doesn't make it right. Especially since there is basically always collateral damage the terms of: family, friends, co-workers or the people who will find the corpse.


Traditionally in my culture people around should patch you up if there is something wrong. Especially since through that we kept our numbers against the history that wasn't too friendly to us.
 

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Anyway, it seem that 4 new medications are starting to be tested in Europe. Which could be the cure or at least a part of the solution.
Plus the number of new cases in Italy seems to be slowing down. Due to drastic measures and international aid.
 

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Why do people express anger and contempt for people who make a mistake and end up dead? Haven't they been punished enough for their error in attempting to self medicate? What purpose does it serve to speak with contempt? Does it make people feel safer because they are smarter? Yes, you are smarter, but a death sentence is more than enough punishment for doing something 'stupid' or making a mistake. I can see a reason for anger or contempt if the person gets someone else killed, but if they hurt their own self? It negates contempt in my mind. It's just a horrible thing that happened.

I think the initial contempt expressed was for Trump, for issuing dangerously ignorant statements about the virus (which isn't solely based on the statement he issued about the hydrosomethingsomething, the contempt is about all the dangerous and ignorant things he's said about the virus from the get-go). And then emphasis on how "dumbass" the people are - for taking a substance that wasn't exactly what Trump mentioned- was about establishing Trump was not culpable (IOW: the contempt was not aimed at the "dumbass" people, it was aimed at anyone implying their blessed Orange King should bear absolutely any responsibility for their deaths).

eta: Per usual, the truth is somewhere in between. The media handled this badly and there isn't enough emphasis on the fact the couple took something slightly different, but it's just as senseless to assert that Trump had no role in it.
 

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I think the initial contempt expressed was for Trump, for issuing dangerously ignorant statements about the virus (which isn't solely based on the statement he issued about the hydrosomethingsomething, the contempt is about all the dangerous and ignorant things he's said about the virus from the get-go). And then emphasis on how "dumbass" the people are - for taking a substance that wasn't exactly what Trump mentioned- was about establishing Trump was not culpable (IOW: the contempt was not aimed at the "dumbass" people, it was aimed at anyone implying their blessed Orange King should bear absolutely any responsibility for their deaths).

eta: Per usual, the truth is somewhere in between. The media handled this badly and there isn't enough emphasis on the fact the couple took something slightly different, but it's just as senseless to assert that Trump had no role in it.

I think what's senseless is the left's refusal to put their blood feud with trump on hold long enough to get through this crisis- the media especially. This whole shit-show is already splitting along party lines. I don't get it. Work together? Fuck that. Apparently some people would rather just condemn themselves and everyone else to getting sick instead of putting their boiling kettle of unnecessary rage on the back burner for a hot second.
 

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I think what's senseless is the left's refusal to put their blood feud with trump on hold long enough to get through this crisis- the media especially. This whole shit-show is already splitting along party lines. I don't get it. Work together? Fuck that. Apparently some people would rather just condemn themselves and everyone else to getting sick instead of putting their boiling kettle of unnecessary rage on the back burner for a hot second.

If you're saying you think hate for Trump is making the crisis worse (over and above Trump doing things to make the crisis worse and receiving merited criticism about it), or that the left's "blood feud" with Trump makes them more uncooperative than the right, you're going to have to be more specific. (eta: Add specifics and I might even agree with you on some points. But as an umbrella statement it serves to discredit valid opposition /eta).

In regards to the relief and stimulus package, Dems haven't agreed to McConnell's proposal because it isn't acceptable.

eta: Besides the usual 'GOP wants to bail out corporations, Dems want relief to go directly to people' differences, Heather Cox Richardson (political historian) sums up the biggest issue here:

A big sticking point is a $500 billion provision that would permit Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to dole out loans to corporations with very little oversight. The companies that took such loans would remain secret for six months after they tapped into the money. Republicans argue that this secrecy would keep the stock of such companies from dropping as people realized their financial straits. Democrats are leery of such secrecy—what would stop Mnuchin from handing out government largesse to Trump’s key supporters… or even to the president himself, whose hotels have been hard-hit by the pandemic? (Trump refused on Sunday to promise he would not take any federal aid.) “The American people don’t want another corporate bailout,” Ohio Democrat Sherrod Brown said. “They don’t want a bailout for Wall Street. They don’t want a bailout for the airlines. They want money. If we’re going to do a relief package, the money needs to go in the pockets of workers.”

When asked about the provision allowing the Treasury to dole out this money without oversight, Trump said: “Look, I’ll be the oversight. I’ll be the oversight.”

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Meanwhile, Democrats in the House of Representatives have written their own massive stimulus bill. Covering more than 1400 pages, its summary reads like a campaign document, laying out Democratic priorities in contrast to those enumerated in the Senate coronavirus bill. It directs more than $2.5 trillion to health care, individuals, small businesses, unemployment compensation, food security, state and local governments, schools, and mail-in voting in the 2020 election.​

More eta: Mods, this might be a good time to create "coronavirus: political edition!" Sorry it didn't occur to me before posting it in this thread.
 

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I don't understand how lack of testing in the U.S. isn't the biggest piece of news here ("here" being in the U.S.). It's practically useless to discuss whether or not moving the date up on 'starting' the country up again is a good idea until we have a better idea of how many people are actually infected, what the mortality rate actually is (which we can't possibly know until we know how many people are infected), and/or how contagious it is (which again, we can't know before knowing for sure how far it's spread). Why aren't we hearing more about what's being done to get tests?
 

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I don't understand how lack of testing in the U.S. isn't the biggest piece of news here ("here" being in the U.S.). It's practically useless to discuss whether or not moving the date up on 'starting' the country up again is a good idea until we have a better idea of how many people are actually infected, what the mortality rate actually is (which we can't possibly know until we know how many people are infected), and/or how contagious it is (which again, we can't know before knowing for sure how far it's spread). Why aren't we hearing more about what's being done to get tests?


Because genuine mass testing of people would probably require socialized medicine and you don't want to get people used to that. Although if we count in how much healthcare currently costs everyone should get a free test as a "token of appreciation" or however you want to call it. Especially since it is actually in the interest of the healthcare industry that the whole economy doesn't crash. So yeah, it doesn't really make sense.



Here the media are openly "The USA will be the new hot-spot of the pandemic".
 

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Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease?

The data from South Korea, where tracking the coronavirus has been by far the best to date, indicate that as much as 99 percent of active cases in the general population are “mild” and do not require specific medical treatment. The small percentage of cases that do require such services are highly concentrated among those age 60 and older, and further so the older people are.

The experience of the Diamond Princess cruise ship, which houses a contained, older population, proves the point. The death rate among that insular and uniformly exposed population is roughly 1 percent.

Highly contagious bug, but not nearly as dangerous as we initially thought.
 

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I think what's senseless is the left's refusal to put their blood feud with trump on hold long enough to get through this crisis- the media especially. This whole shit-show is already splitting along party lines. I don't get it. Work together? Fuck that. Apparently some people would rather just condemn themselves and everyone else to getting sick instead of putting their boiling kettle of unnecessary rage on the back burner for a hot second.

What exactly is "the left" doing? People are sheltering in place as instructed, helping one another, crafting legislation, etc. What do you expect from us? To stop criticizing Trump during this time? To stop advocating for what we believe are the best solutions to the crisis? To stop fighting for what we think is right? Sorry, isn't going to happen.

Maybe you should be like my conservative facebook friends and post stuff like the below to make yourself feel better:

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Poor Trump, always getting picked on.
 

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Jonny said:
What exactly is "the left" doing?

House Dems' emergency coronavirus stimulus bill includes $35M for Kennedy Center

The next page of the bill indicates that $300 million would be allotted for the National Endowment of the Arts and an additional $300 million for the National Endowment of the Humanities. The bill also provides $100 million for NASA and $278 million for the IRS.

This is just the tip of the iceberg; there are many "poison pills" from the House Dems version of the Stimulus; they put these in because they know that responsible Republicans like Rand Paul would vote against reckless spending. Once the Republicans vote against it, the Dems would be able to blame the Republicans for not helping people. It's a despicable move but this is the m.o. of today's Dem party: Let no crises go to waste.
 

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To people calling it a conspiracy: IT IS A GLOBAL CRISIS. THE DEMOCRATS DIDN'T MAKE IT UP.

To the democrats using this as a progressive agenda push: GROW THE FUCK UP PEOPLE ARE FUCKING DYING.

To republicans wanting to reopen the economy: GROW THE FUCK UP PEOPLE ARE DYING.

ITS NO LONGER BIPARTISON SHIT. at this rate, I feel BOTH PARTIES COULD GIVE A FUCK WHETHER MY FAMILY LIVES OR DIES. FUCK THEM. DON'T COME IN HERE AND ACT LIKE ONE IS HOLIER THAN THE OTHER. THEY BOTH FUCKING SUCK RIGHT NOW.
 
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