Coronavirus

[Jonny]

House Dems' emergency coronavirus stimulus bill includes $35M for Kennedy Center



This is just the tip of the iceberg; there are many "poison pills" from the House Dems version of the Stimulus; they put these in because they know that responsible Republicans like Rand Paul would vote against reckless spending. Once the Republicans vote against it, the Dems would be able to blame the Republicans for not helping people. It's a despicable move but this is the m.o. of today's Dem party: Let no crises go to waste.

Oh, you mean like this?

Let's get real here. The two sides have different priorities and crafting legislation involves compromise.

That component of the bill is meant to offset the impact of fewer patrons visiting as a result of the coronavirus:

"For an additional amount for 'Operations and Maintenance,' $35,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2021, for operations and maintenance requirements related to the consequenees of coronavirus: Provided, That notwithstanding the provisions of 20 U.S.C. 76th et seq., funds provided in this Act shall be made available to cover operating expenses required to ensure the continuity of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts and its affiliates, including for employee compensation and benefits, grants, contracts, payments for rent or utilities, fees for artists or performers, information technology and other administrative expenses,"​

Believe it or not, employee compensation, grants, contracts, payments for rent or utilities, etc. impact real people and businesses too. Just because you think it's irrelevant doesn't mean it is.

 

[anticlimatic]

What exactly is "the left" doing? People are sheltering in place as instructed, helping one another, crafting legislation, etc. What do you expect from us? To stop criticizing Trump during this time? To stop advocating for what we believe are the best solutions to the crisis? To stop fighting for what we think is right? Sorry, isn't going to happen.

Maybe you should be like my conservative facebook friends and post stuff like the below to make yourself feel better:

Poor Trump, always getting picked on.

Did your grandmother post that photo on facebook?

I expect the left to do better at persuading ignorant people on the right that taking a month or so to join everyone else in the shutdown until testing can catch up is a smart and doable play, and I expect people on the right to do a better job of making the case that at some point, ready or not, keeping the economy shut down is going to be incidentally deadlier than the virus. The left is DOING the right things, but you need to do more. You need to use your words better. I'm sorry but that's your burden. You either take the high road and help, or die. The media sewing the usual discord between Trump and his advisers just for the sake of it is not smart. Maintaining an "us vs them" mindset with people on the right, who you need to work together with right now, is not smart.

I've been doing my part talking effective sense into ignorant working class types all week. There is a departure in world-views between left and right that pertain to the value of life going on right now that aught to be reconciled; talked about.

 

[anticlimatic]

To people calling it a conspiracy: IT IS A GLOBAL CRISIS. THE DEMOCRATS DIDN'T MAKE IT UP.

To the democrats using this as a progressive agenda push: GROW THE FUCK UP PEOPLE ARE FUCKING DYING.

To republicans wanting to reopen the economy: GROW THE FUCK UP PEOPLE ARE DYING.

ITS NO LONGER BIPARTISON SHIT. at this rate, I feel BOTH PARTIES COULD GIVE A FUCK WHETHER MY FAMILY LIVES OR DIES. FUCK THEM. DON'T COME IN HERE AND ACT LIKE ONE IS HOLIER THAN THE OTHER. THEY BOTH FUCKING SUCK RIGHT NOW.

 

[Jonny]

Did your grandmother post that photo on facebook?

I expect the left to do better at persuading ignorant people on the right that taking a month or so to join everyone else in the shutdown until testing can catch up is a smart and doable play

No, it was actually my 20-something 2nd cousin. Her aunt posted this:

I'm trying to do my part, by responding to ignorance with calm, non-accusatory reasoning. That's part of why I've been doing those daily graphs of the infection trajectory, to show that, yes, we can actually predict with some accuracy what the future will look like based on info in the present. That, no, this isn't simply a hoax and an attempt to provoke mass hysteria.

 

[anticlimatic]

No, it was actually my 20-something 2nd cousin. Her aunt posted this:

I'm trying to do my part, by responding to ignorance with calm, non-accusatory reasoning. That's part of why I've been doing those daily graphs of the infection trajectory, to show that, yes, we can actually predict with some accuracy what the future will look like based on info in the present. That, no, this isn't simply a hoax and an attempt to provoke mass hysteria.

You're doing good work. I absolve you of any arguments or lectures from me. *sign of the cross*

Speaking of which- if anyone is wondering where some people on the right are coming from philosophically, this priest has an interesting perspective:
Blind fear of death should not guide policy | Catholic Culture

 

[Nicodemus]

Did your grandmother post that photo on facebook?

I expect the left to do better at persuading ignorant people on the right that taking a month or so to join everyone else in the shutdown until testing can catch up is a smart and doable play, and I expect people on the right to do a better job of making the case that at some point, ready or not, keeping the economy shut down is going to be incidentally deadlier than the virus. The left is DOING the right things, but you need to do more. You need to use your words better. I'm sorry but that's your burden. You either take the high road and help, or die. The media sewing the usual discord between Trump and his advisers just for the sake of it is not smart. Maintaining an "us vs them" mindset with people on the right, who you need to work together with right now, is not smart.

I've been doing my part talking effective sense into ignorant working class types all week. There is a departure in world-views between left and right that pertain to the value of life going on right now that aught to be reconciled; talked about.

Lincoln managed to win re-election and lead a country while conducting the civil war and fighting competition for the presidency from within his own party and from the Democrats. Surely Trump can deal with some bad press. There is ample reason to criticize his conduct, not 'just for the sake of it' or to alienate his followers. A free and watchful press does not stop being important just because there is some bigger challenge in the mix now. There is a presidential election going on the result of which may be as impactful as the management of the corona crisis now under constant review.

 

[anticlimatic]

Lincoln managed to win re-election and lead a country while conducting the civil war and fighting competition for the presidency from within his own party and from the Democrats. Surely Trump can deal with some bad press. There is ample reason to criticize his conduct, not 'just for the sake of it' or to alienate his followers. A free and watchful press does not stop being important just because there is some bigger challenge in the mix now. There is a presidential election going on the result of which may be as impactful as the management of the corona crisis now under constant review.

Your guffaw at Rand Paul getting sick says enough about how you're handling this. I'm not interested in that game right now, no offense. Do yourself a favor and try to stifle your laughter if you happen to be around anyone else when you find out the queen is sick- or your own father.

 

[21%]

I don't understand why people think about lockdowns as an act of 'fear', while it's a completely strategic move and is best for the economy.

And, no, no country is expecting to be in lockdown for months. If everyone complies, it will be over in 3 weeks, and things will be under control again. But this requires decisive action, short-term cash support for people and businesses, and public cooperation. Politicians bickering are not doing any of these.

 

[Jonny]

 

[anticlimatic]

They need to get cash to people and businesses that have been cut off from it asap, they can duke it out over long term pork later.

Can't they?

 

[Maou]

Oh, you mean like this?

Let's get real here. The two sides have different priorities and crafting legislation involves compromise.

That component of the bill is meant to offset the impact of fewer patrons visiting as a result of the coronavirus:

"For an additional amount for 'Operations and Maintenance,' $35,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2021, for operations and maintenance requirements related to the consequenees of coronavirus: Provided, That notwithstanding the provisions of 20 U.S.C. 76th et seq., funds provided in this Act shall be made available to cover operating expenses required to ensure the continuity of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts and its affiliates, including for employee compensation and benefits, grants, contracts, payments for rent or utilities, fees for artists or performers, information technology and other administrative expenses,"​

Believe it or not, employee compensation, grants, contracts, payments for rent or utilities, etc. impact real people and businesses too. Just because you think it's irrelevant doesn't mean it is.

As of right now, like Jazzy said. People should be focused on the problem at hand. Not party priorities, not agenda, but getting money to the 30% of the workforce that has been laid off. Arguing the bill is imperfect, voting against it, and demanding to shoe horn in tons of irrelevent bullshit into the bill is a disgrace to the American way of life. It shouldn't be a "compromise" to help people. They are sacrificing very important time to push agendas for the Democratic party. Its selfish, and cruel. When even Progressives realize this bullshit, you know it's true. Quit defending this disgraceful and disingenuous move on their part.

 

[21%]

Someone has suggested separate bills, one for the affected workers, one for corporates. The first can be pushed through ASAP. Refusing to do so and putting everything together in an all-or-nothing manner suggests dishonest intentions. Why has no one done this?

 

[typologyenthusiast]

Man dies after ingesting chloroquine in an attempt to prevent coronavirus

Off Topic.
The man who died after taking Cloroquine didn't consult to any doctor. This could be probably due to different regulation. In Indonesia, Cloroquine cannot be purchased without doctor's prescription although some e-commerce store has begun selling it, breaking the rule. When customers want to buy such medicine, Pharmacist must ask them show the prescription given by physician. CMIIW, In the US, as long as the FDA approves a kind of drugs, they can be freely purchased at the local Pharmacy? So US Citizens don't have to consult to any doctor or ask to write prescription for them, allowing them purchase a specific medication. If from past experience, ill people know that a spesific medicine given by a doctor have helped them recovered, and want to take it again, they are legally allowed to purchase that again expecting the same recovery effect, without having to visit their physician anymore and Pharmacy legally sell it to them

 

[Jonny]

Congress, White House close in on $2 trillion stimulus deal to blunt coronavirus fallout

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Someone has suggested separate bills, one for the affected workers, one for corporates. The first can be pushed through ASAP. Refusing to do so and putting everything together in an all-or-nothing manner suggests dishonest intentions. Why has no one done this?

It's my understanding that the GOP is more or less using relief for workers as leverage. If they're on separate bills, then there's even less incentive (practically none) for Democrats to agree to give them what they're asking for.

 

[Nicodemus]

They need to get cash to people and businesses that have been cut off from it asap, they can duke it out over long term pork later.

Can't they?

You'd think people take at least some time to think about implementing large-scale socialist measures and massively enlarging government power... But I guess that's all fine as long as an R is sitting in the oval office.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I was watching Independence day a few months back. And when I saw those crowd flocking under the alien ships I thought "that’s stupid" since people won’t react like that. And then I saw that video of beaches in Florida. Yup! Those idiots proved me wrong.

Sounds right.

 

[Tomb1]

More senators join in on the chorus of people calling out Rand Paul....Rand Paul absolutely belongs in Jail. They put people in jail left and right for this kind of stuff. No reason to give Rand Paul a pass. If anything, he deserves an even higher penalty given that he is a Senator.

'''Absolutely irresponsible''': Rand Paul'''s colleagues are calling him out after he reportedly went to the gym after testing for coronavirus

 

[anticlimatic]

You'd think people take at least some time to think about implementing large-scale socialist measures and massively enlarging government power... But I guess that's all fine as long as an R is sitting in the oval office.

Prince Charles Tests Positive For Coronavirus


If the queen dies they should sell the palace to help take care of the people. I'd buy some vacation stock there to help you guys out.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Did your grandmother post that photo on facebook?

I expect the left to do better at persuading ignorant people on the right that taking a month or so to join everyone else in the shutdown until testing can catch up is a smart and doable play, and I expect people on the right to do a better job of making the case that at some point, ready or not, keeping the economy shut down is going to be incidentally deadlier than the virus. The left is DOING the right things, but you need to do more. You need to use your words better. I'm sorry but that's your burden. You either take the high road and help, or die. The media sewing the usual discord between Trump and his advisers just for the sake of it is not smart. Maintaining an "us vs them" mindset with people on the right, who you need to work together with right now, is not smart.

I've been doing my part talking effective sense into ignorant working class types all week. There is a departure in world-views between left and right that pertain to the value of life going on right now that aught to be reconciled; talked about.

Ok if you want to reduce this to logic I will play.



Over the last few weeks this virus killed about the same number of Europeans as 6 years of war in Ukraine (and the numbers will continue to increase). This is because the response was done too late but still at the time too prevent complete pandemic over the whole continent, what halted the exponential growth in cases. The problem is that mortality rate isn't 1 or 3 percent when there is out of control pandemic since healthcare system can't take everybody. Which is exactly what happened in some parts of Italy and the death cases skyrocketed there. Since you just can't hospitalize large numbers of people, especially since patients for all other diseases are still on the table in this crisis. So if you don't protect your people you will have a complete disaster in the number of cases not that far down the road.



Therefore the dilemma behind economy vs. pandemic is actually a false one. If you send everyone to work normally you are just going to deliver people to the virus and the structure will crash anyway in a matter of weeks, and then recovery will last much much longer. Especially if people on various important positions die or people die in very large numbers. What is likely since you can't hospitalize literally half of the country. Plus out of control pandemic will quickly start to chip away healthcare workers or upper management in general. What indicates certain crash in the end even if we overlook "pay to play" healthcare system. Therefore I am sorry but this situation simply doesn't have a strict Capitalistic solution, since this is basically a sub-type of war. It is probably true when people say that USA wasn't built for full stop but in current situation this is more of a structural defect than anything else. Therefore this situations simply require solutions that are out of the box by US standards. However that also implies that those that wasted trillions over the decades should be blamed for the fact that there is no room for maneuvering at this point.



Therefore as my authorities that are led by healthcare experts say: Stay at home! (and these are right-wingers)