Coronavirus

[Virtual ghost]

Record day in Mississippi.


+3400

Just two days later new record.

+4400

 

[FemMecha]

This MD had some interesting things to say. He personally avoids indoor gatherings even with vaccinated people. He describes the lack of data gathering in the U.S. and that the best data point is hospitalizations which are on a fast, upward trajectory.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Mexico +24900 (record)
Japan +18900 (record)
Thailand +23400 (record)

 

[Abcdenfp]

We are showing record cases here, if we weren't in an election year i am certain our country would have had another lock down, but fear of riots have prevented our prime minister from making that call.
Island wide curfew at 9pm. Tourist showing up in record numbers. Hospital close to collapse and there is so much vaccine hesitation. I cant convince several family members, and the owner of the company i work for is in hospital for covid, also refused the vaccine because not enough data . Some times smart people are so stupid. Sometimes I wonder if all this information isn't healthy. We are too informed but not with the right information. without having to study or really get educated. I feel covid fatigue i don't want to think about it any more, i don't want to have to wear a mask every day. I don't want to have this sense of impending doom. My anxiety shows no signs of letting up so made an appointment with a therapist.

 

[Vendrah]

We are showing record cases here, if we weren't in an election year i am certain our country would have had another lock down, but fear of riots have prevented our prime minister from making that call.
Island wide curfew at 9pm. Tourist showing up in record numbers. Hospital close to collapse and there is so much vaccine hesitation. I cant convince several family members, and the owner of the company i work for is in hospital for covid, also refused the vaccine because not enough data . Some times smart people are so stupid. Sometimes I wonder if all this information isn't healthy. We are too informed but not with the right information. without having to study or really get educated. I feel covid fatigue i don't want to think about it any more, i don't want to have to wear a mask every day. I don't want to have this sense of impending doom. My anxiety shows no signs of letting up so made an appointment with a therapist.

Which country (doesn't seem to be the US)?

 

[Virtual ghost]

Here the new cases are also rising. There will be a new wave for sure.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Record day in Mississippi.
+3400

Just two days later new record.

+4400

One day later
Again new record: +5000


This seems to be explosive growth.

 

[ceecee]

One day later
Again new record: +5000


This seems to be explosive growth.

Pearl River High School Quarantines 40% Of Students In First Week

 

[JAVO]

French virologist and Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier called mass vaccination against the coronavirus during the pandemic "unthinkable" and a historical blunder that is "creating the variants" and leading to deaths from the disease, LifeSite News reported.

"It's an enormous mistake, isn't it? A scientific error as well as a medical error. It is an unacceptable mistake," Montagnier said in an interview translated and published by the RAIR Foundation US.

"The history books will show that because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants," the report said.

Many epidemiologists know it and are "silent" about the problem known as "antibody-dependent enhancement," Montagnier said.

"It is the antibodies produced by the virus that enable an infection to become stronger," he said in an interview with Pierre Barnerias of Hold-Up Media earlier this month.

While variants of viruses can occur naturally, Montagnier said that vaccination is driving the process. "What does the virus do? Does it die or find another solution?

"It is clear that the new variants are created by antibody-mediated selection due to the vaccination."

Vaccinating during a pandemic is "unthinkable" and is causing deaths, the winner of the 2008 Nobel Prize for Medicine said.

Mass vaccination during pandemic a historic blunder: Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier

 

[Red Herring]

Mass vaccination during pandemic a historic blunder: Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier

Oh, is that the same Luc Montagnier, a retired octagenarian HIV researcher, who claimed that...
a) AIDS can be cured by eating a healthy diet
b) believes in the magical "water memory" theory at the basis of homeopathy and
c) made false claims about the DNA structure of SARS-COV2 supposedly proving the virus escaped from a lab?

You know, the guy whose Wikipedia entry states "He has been criticised by other academics for using his Nobel prize status to "spread dangerous health messages outside his field of knowledge"". That one?

 

[Virtual ghost]

French virologist and Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier called mass vaccination against the coronavirus during the pandemic "unthinkable" and a historical blunder that is "creating the variants" and leading to deaths from the disease, LifeSite News reported.

"It's an enormous mistake, isn't it? A scientific error as well as a medical error. It is an unacceptable mistake," Montagnier said in an interview translated and published by the RAIR Foundation US.

"The history books will show that because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants," the report said.

Many epidemiologists know it and are "silent" about the problem known as "antibody-dependent enhancement," Montagnier said.

"It is the antibodies produced by the virus that enable an infection to become stronger," he said in an interview with Pierre Barnerias of Hold-Up Media earlier this month.

While variants of viruses can occur naturally, Montagnier said that vaccination is driving the process. "What does the virus do? Does it die or find another solution?

"It is clear that the new variants are created by antibody-mediated selection due to the vaccination."

Vaccinating during a pandemic is "unthinkable" and is causing deaths, the winner of the 2008 Nobel Prize for Medicine said.

Mass vaccination during pandemic a historic blunder: Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier

If bold is true then you can kinda just forget about the natural herd immunity. What then leads us to vaccines, masks and lockdowns.


Also the idea was that you vaccinate a country fast, so that the virus doesn't have the time to adapt. Therefore having half of people vaccinated and half unvaccianted is indeed dangerous because it opens the space to easy mutations. Thus far we still don't have a variant that is clearly skipping the vaccines but if the current situation continues we will probably get it soon (if the vaccine process isn't finished). As the one of the lines here says "Variants can occur naturally", what means that we need to get the virus out of the system pretty much any way we can. Since by now it is obvious that this will not end by itself before world is completely devastated, plus once you allow this thing to get so diverse that a single vaccine can't cover it that is basically game over for the world we knew. Since in various countries you can't do proper lockdowns (that are the last line of defense). However as long as the virus is around people just wouldn't spend normally and economy will deteriorate (especially in countries that have pay to play healthcare, where people save for pandemic induced medical bills and are preparing for the job loss).


Countries like US indeed made a mistake by promoting vaccine as the final unquestionable answer for the problem, while in fact the problem is so big and complex that it will probably take a mix of masks, vaccines, border closures and local lockdowns in order to get this fully removed out of the equation.

 

[Vendrah]

I don't need to quote or @ anyone since it is obvious what Im referring to... Well, I no longer take a high amount of money as holding any meaning towards merit. However, I would not ever thought that I would start to think the same way about a Nobel Prize, but it looks like that I was wrong, it looks like that shouldn't be taken much seriously either...

 

[Red Herring]

I don't need to quote or @ anyone since it is obvious what Im referring to... Well, I no longer take a high amount of money as holding any meaning towards merit. However, I would not ever thought that I would start to think the same way about a Nobel Prize, but it looks like that I was wrong, it looks like that shouldn't be taken much seriously either...

Well, you can be excellent in your field and still hold false or highly questionable opinions in another (actually, even in your field). Just look at James Watson, the co-discoverer of the doublehelix structure of DNA. Another Nobel laureate. He thinks black people are genetically set up to be less intelligent than white people and has suggested aborting fetuses if a genetic screening were to show they are homosexual.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Well, you can be excellent in your field and still hold false or highly questionable opinions in another (actually, even in your field). Just look at James Watson, the co-discoverer of the doublehelix structure of DNA. Another Nobel laureate. He thinks black people are genetically set up to be less intelligent than white people and has suggested aborting fetuses if a genetic screening were to show they are homosexual.

Well, he also piggybacked off of a lot of work by Rosalind Franklin and downplayed her importance.

 

[Red Herring]

Well, he also piggybacked off of a lot of work by Rosalind Franklin and downplayed her importance.

I know, but work ethics are a seperate issue, I think.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I know, but work ethics are a seperate issue, I think.

It kind of fits with the sort of personality that would say things like "blacks are genetically inferior", I think.

 

[FemMecha]

It kind of fits with the sort of personality that would say things like "blacks are genetically inferior", I think.

I tend to see the components of a person as more integrated than compartmentalized. That this man takes credit off of others implies that he is insufficient possibly in intellect as well as work ethic. If he piggy backs off of work ethic, why not intelligence? The underlying principle influences all aspects of a person. I suspect he is not as intelligent as his image or else he would not have a psychological need to downplay another demographic to establish personal superiority. All of these traits are interconnected.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I tend to see the components of a person as more integrated than compartmentalized. That this man takes credit off of others implies that he is insufficient possibly in intellect as well as work ethic. If he piggy backs off of work ethic, why not intelligence? The underlying principle influences all aspects of a person. I suspect he is not as intelligent as his image or else he would not have a psychological need to downplay another demographic to establish personal superiority. All of these traits are interconnected.

Right. A person who tends to fall back on race as proof of their superiority seems to fit with someone who stole work from a woman and than dismissed her importance. That must breed a certain level of insecurity that prompts statements like that. I think he probably does have a certain level of intelligence but the psychology behind his ethics seems to fit with his statements about race and intelligence. If your success isn't entirely earned, but nevertheless has a very strong ego, it seems to make sense that you would fall back on attributing success to something innate that is outside of your control as a justification of sorts.

 

[Vendrah]

I tend to see the components of a person as more integrated than compartmentalized. That this man takes credit off of others implies that he is insufficient possibly in intellect as well as work ethic. If he piggy backs off of work ethic, why not intelligence? The underlying principle influences all aspects of a person. I suspect he is not as intelligent as his image or else he would not have a psychological need to downplay another demographic to establish personal superiority. All of these traits are interconnected.

I think ethics and intelligence are separated, specially typology speaking where they tend to not correlate that much.
However, people indirectly stealing works of others for prizes and not being actually intelligent is a thing that I would consider in general, taking into account how things "generally work on this world". Anyway, its sort of happens in corporate world, specially after you read the patent laws (specially the national version).

 

[JAVO]

Oh, is that the same Luc Montagnier, a retired octagenarian HIV researcher, who claimed that...
a) AIDS can be cured by eating a healthy diet
b) believes in the magical "water memory" theory at the basis of homeopathy and
c) made false claims about the DNA structure of SARS-COV2 supposedly proving the virus escaped from a lab?

You know, the guy whose Wikipedia entry states "He has been criticised by other academics for using his Nobel prize status to "spread dangerous health messages outside his field of knowledge"". That one?

Let's not forget he was talking about the known and established principle of antibody dependent enhancement (ADE). You know, the one other scientists are concerned about too.

If bold is true then you can kinda just forget about the natural herd immunity. What then leads us to vaccines, masks and lockdowns.

I don't think studies about vaccine immunity necessarily apply to acquired immunity (from infection). They might, but the mechanisms might be different.

Also the idea was that you vaccinate a country fast, so that the virus doesn't have the time to adapt. Therefore having half of people vaccinated and half unvaccianted is indeed dangerous because it opens the space to easy mutations. Thus far we still don't have a variant that is clearly skipping the vaccines but if the current situation continues we will probably get it soon (if the vaccine process isn't finished). As the one of the lines here says "Variants can occur naturally", what means that we need to get the virus out of the system pretty much any way we can. Since by now it is obvious that this will not end by itself before world is completely devastated, plus once you allow this thing to get so diverse that a single vaccine can't cover it that is basically game over for the world we knew. Since in various countries you can't do proper lockdowns (that are the last line of defense). However as long as the virus is around people just wouldn't spend normally and economy will deteriorate (especially in countries that have pay to play healthcare, where people save for pandemic induced medical bills and are preparing for the job loss).

I agree that it seems like that rapid vaccination would solve that problem, but then there's the ethical problem of consent. Also it's a bit risky, and maybe not justifiably so, to use an experimental vaccine on a large population for a virus with a 98% survival rate.

See the link above in my reply to RH. It appears from that data that Delta is heading down the path of avoiding the current vaccines.