Coronavirus

[ceecee]

I was just making a point that I don't think who dropped the ball is a left or right issue frankly, because everyone sat like lame ducks arguing until it hit a head. and now they're doing the same shit with the second relief package that so many people need and I'm fucking sick of them using coronavirus for petty reasoning shit. Right included.

sit down and get this shit handled and worked out. People are psychologically distressed, done, people are struggling to regroup, and if you tell them one they don't do the other and act like righteous assholes about it anyway and I'm beyond tired of the bullshit.

Some people want something fucking consistent already. My anxiety hit a point of "fuck it you shitholes change your damn story EVERY FUCKING DAY." The overexposure, the overbearing nature of who is right and who is wrong. Some of us are just trying to protect their families and survive while both of these fucking parties play games with my safety and stability so FUCK them. That's how I feel about it. We're just being used as pawns to fucking agendas.

It is obvious from the get go neither one actually gave a rats ass about the American people through this and they still aren't. Even with Trump wanting to hold aide hostage till after the election. A fucking agenda game. I'm sick of the game. I'm sick of playing who is right or wrong with covid.

THEY ALL SUCKED. WE ARE HERE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO GET THIS TO THE PROPER POINT. People put on masks and think it protects them directly, that as long as they wear a mask they can hug and shit wherever they go and perform their usual shit as normal. They fought the original protocols and fight this too when I mean, I think if they were really be followed as directed it wouldn't be so bad.

STAY HOME IF YOU HAVE A SYMPTOM OF SOME KIND
STAY 6 FEET AWAY FROM PEOPLE PERIOD
IF YOU ARE ABLE TO, PUT ON A FACE COVERING.
WASH YOUR HANDS.

I've done this. I've caught a couple things, neither one ended up being covid. Honestly, the person who brings it home is grandpa usually, because he'll go walking somewhere and not social distance. I speak from being tested twice because precautionary, I have had plenty of flu swabs and I am not weirded out by swabs being stuck up my nose. fuck, I got an antibody test when they first came around here to see if anything was up and I am frankly terrified of needles and it was hell but hey if my blood said something about immunity why not. Some of us have been trying and are sick of watching all these fucking self-righteous games occur with excessive drama and holier than thou attitudes and a sheer lack of care for anyone's reasonable struggles. I don't mean people breaking into shit either. I mean Idaho reopened way too fucking early. I mean the level of shit Cuomo had to make a policy forcing senior homes to take those sick patients back. etc.

So many people died because everyone fucked up. EVERYONE. We had science, data, examples from other countries later even what helps and what may not, and instead we all chose to act like a bunch of damn children and fight everything. Now I don't think we have a choice besides accepting herd immunity and what it is worth because it is not magically going to get under control. Frankly considering it is airborne and people don't care in so many ways I don't think we stood a chance of truly eliminating it anyway. The mask mandates in Idaho didn't really slow our numbers. Once the cat is out of the bag, its out of the bag. The time to act was when the cases were small and limited. It is a little late to react now. Anything done now needs to be damage control.

Perhaps they should have followed the pandemic plan that was put in place in 2014? Just a thought.

Obama team left pandemic playbook for Trump administration, officials confirm | PBS NewsHour

Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook - POLITICO

 

[Red Memories]

Perhaps they should have followed the pandemic plan that was put in place in 2014? Just a thought.

Obama team left pandemic playbook for Trump administration, officials confirm | PBS NewsHour

Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook - POLITICO

What I see? More political agenda blames game which I just said I was blatantly sick of from them.

This is my thing I even said to my mom about Trump period. He barely had a real gameplan when he was first elected, and from everything to me it is obvious he doesn't have a plan for the next 4 years either. and we need a fucking gameplan for this pandemic, for the economic pain, for just about EVERYTHING coming up. and it disturbs me this long later they still don't have a fucking plan.

 

[anticlimatic]

I mean fairly, when China stopped travel to China over it Pelosi called it racist and did a video in little chinatown asking people to keep going out................ Pelosi is a moron left or right though lol. I'm just saying, they did partly ignore it, but not just Trump...everyone kinda did. America dropped the ball on that one.

Hindsight is always 20/20. I don't really like getting on the "trump banned travel to China/pelosi goes to Chinatown" right wing narrative pointing to how democrats didn't take covid seriously back when it could have made a difference, because this was a new thing for everybody, government moves very slow, and politics always come before more pressing priorities.

Where it begins to grind my gears is in the debate on what to do now after the globe realized it had a serious problem on its hands- in March and April. A quick lockdown to regain bearings and resupply made sense to me, I was always on board with it. I was on board with masking and social distancing as well. But I kind of lost my shit over the "lockdown until a vaccine" plan because I could see them what the WHO is finally seeing now- that the economic costs of doing that (which are TIED to the health costs), would be far more devastating. But because I'm a right winger I guess, and because politics always come before logic and reason, everyone tried telling me that I just wanted to kill grandma.

My parents operated very much as a team, since they were very opposite in a lot of ways, and my dad always needed my mom's help articulating himself to doctors and such. In the week before his suicide on June 3rd (well into the unnecessary and pointless lockdown fiesta) when it became apparent that he was to that point, we tried getting him hospitalized help- but doctors wouldn't let my mother go with him to his appointments because of lockdown mandates, and he was too far gone at that point to really communicate what was going on to a giant bureaucracy, so he never ended up getting the help he needed that might have saved his life. Now, I don't blame his death on the lockdowns, and I'm not bitter about it, but it's just one personal example I have for the inobvious perils of it that everyone fixated on covid alone refused to acknowledge.

 

[Red Memories]

Hindsight is always 20/20. I don't really like getting on the "trump banned travel to China/pelosi goes to Chinatown" right wing narrative pointing to how democrats didn't take covid seriously back when it could have made a difference, because this was a new thing for everybody, government moves very slow, and politics always come before more pressing priorities.

Where it begins to grind my gears is in the debate on what to do now after the globe realized it had a serious problem on its hands- in March and April. A quick lockdown to regain bearings and resupply made sense to me, I was always on board with it. I was on board with masking and social distancing as well. But I kind of lost my shit over the "lockdown until a vaccine" plan because I could see them what the WHO is finally seeing now- that the economic costs of doing that (which are TIED to the health costs), would be far more devastating. But because I'm a right winger I guess, and because politics always come before logic and reason, everyone tried telling me that I just wanted to kill grandma.

My parents operated very much as a team, since they were very opposite in a lot of ways, and my dad always needed my mom's help articulating himself to doctors and such. In the week before his suicide on June 3rd (well into the unnecessary and pointless lockdown fiesta) when it became apparent that he was to that point, we tried getting him hospitalized help- but doctors wouldn't let my mother go with him to his appointments because of lockdown mandates, and he was too far gone at that point to really communicate what was going on to a giant bureaucracy, so he never ended up getting the help he needed that might have saved his life. Now, I don't blame his death on the lockdowns, and I'm not bitter about it, but it's just one personal example I have for the inobvious perils of it that everyone fixated on covid alone refused to acknowledge.

I am very sorry for your loss.

 

[ceecee]

What I see? More political agenda blames game which I just said I was blatantly sick of from them.

This is my thing I even said to my mom about Trump period. He barely had a real gameplan when he was first elected, and from everything to me it is obvious he doesn't have a plan for the next 4 years either. and we need a fucking gameplan for this pandemic, for the economic pain, for just about EVERYTHING coming up. and it disturbs me this long later they still don't have a fucking plan.

I would urge you to read through that NSC pandemic step by step.

 

[Red Memories]

I would urge you to read through that NSC pandemic step by step.

To me it was stupid to suggest Obama didn't leave one in the first place - he was president when the Swine Flu pandemic happened. And frankly I will say I feel he did a pretty good job with it, despite me losing a brother to it because a nurse irresponsibly came to work sick and gave it to us. A hospice nurse.

So frankly, I am very sensitive to how poorly handled this was, the deaths being thrown aside, but I also already lacked faith in people acting responsibly about this and assumed I better protect my own family because no one else is gonna give a flying fuck. I can't change shit people sadly.

Of course Republicans also have a different plan - I think I've stated before Trump dropped the ball leaving this shit up to states. I realize they're not interested in "government controlling the state powers" which is part of the Republican thing, but this was a time the government absolutely needed to mandate, and create the rules from the get go. It would alleviate confusion, delays, early reopenings, etc. Instead we had different states doing different plans, grocery stores trying to figure out where their responsibility lies, etc. and it became a nightmare for states, businesses, and the individual people. It also led to so many of these shit policy ideas even existing because "state power."

That is one thing I even said about the mask mandate - I'd rather they make an official national one with considerations for mental and physical health included within them, what is considered a face covering because it feels like it is different in many places, etc. and it leads to far more anxiety. and I live with GAD, the last thing I need is one more thing to worry about, like not being able to get our groceries.

Trump failed. I feel like they're all failing right now because I see people on the fucking streets unable to pay rent while they fight about who is right and wrong and when to release another stimulus. That mom with 4 kids on the corner begging for rent money help the other day doesn't fucking care about their antics.

 

[FemMecha]

Turns out actual COVID-19 parties do happen. I have a family member who works as a high level laborer on shift work in one of the rural, western states. The company has a rule that if you test positive for COVID-19 you have to quarantine for 14 days, so it is paid time off work. So the guys on one shift had the bright idea to get sick with COVID-19 in time for hunting season so they can have 14 days to have fun shooting animals in the mountains. They collectively deliberately got COVID-19, and I believe it was a social gathering. They have all tested positive and are off work, so my relative and others on the two alternate shifts are required to work overtime.

I'm trying to not feel a sort of despair about humanity.

 

[FemMecha]

^Silver lining: it's good news for the animals long term. Survival of the fittest and all.

 

[Tellenbach]

Has Sweden beaten coronavirus? Expert claims by refusing to shut the country down the Swedes now have 'herd immunity' and have avoided a second wave

Sweden's state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, who has become the face of the no-lockdown strategy, said in a recent interview that voluntary hygiene measures had been 'just as effective' as complete shutdowns.

Sweden kept open schools for children under 16, banned gatherings of more than 50 people and told over-70s and vulnerable groups to self-isolate.

After looking at Sweden's daily new cases graph, I don't think they've reached herd immunity, but they're far closer to it than we (USA) are.

According to this article, you have herd immunity when 20% of the population has the antibodies:

Covid-19: Does Sweden have herd immunity?

What they say is that herd immunity is reached when 20% have antibodies. In Sweden 7% of the population had antibodies in June (compared with 0.5% in April. Most likely we’ve reached 20% by now (in Stockholm we definitely have), and we could easily be well beyond that by now. The most recent Swedish antibody data is at least three months old.

I don't like the technical definition of herd immunity because we're still seeing slight increases in new cases in Sweden (assuming that isn't the result of increased testing). I'd expect to see a flat curve for new cases once herd immunity is achieved.

 

[Vendrah]

Has Sweden beaten coronavirus? Expert claims by refusing to shut the country down the Swedes now have 'herd immunity' and have avoided a second wave



After looking at Sweden's daily new cases graph, I don't think they've reached herd immunity, but they're far closer to it than we (USA) are.

When I had pointed you data against the "Sweden corona success", you quickly dismissed the data saying it was uncertain; I'm impressed that in just one day you simply got back using the same kind of data again, specially on this last affirmative. Cases/million is the objective criteria of herd-immunity achievement, unless perhaps they have a natural bio-genetic predispose of them having extra resistance to the virus (and this got nothing to do with lockdowns), and on that criteria the US is closer to achieve the so-called 'herd-immunity', because - may I repeat - "You will see that US and Brazil are at 10 and 11 on the rank, while Sweden at 47", so the statement "Sweden is far closer to US in achieving herd-immunity" is false, it is actually the opposite.

 

[Jaguar]

Has Sweden beaten coronavirus? Expert claims by refusing to shut the country down the Swedes now have 'herd immunity' and have avoided a second wave

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Pure shit. Use better sources.

 

[Vendrah]

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Pure shit. Use better sources.

Wait, there is a website that does these sort of balances?
Which is, link?

 

[Jaguar]

Wait, there is a website that does these sort of balances?
Which is, link?

You can read plenty of garbage from that site here:

Daily Mail - Media Bias/Fact Check

 

[JAVO]

Great Barrington Declaration

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal.

 

[Jaguar]

Dr Rupert Beale, Group Leader, Cell Biology of Infection Laboratory, Francis Crick Institute, said:

“An effective response to the Covid pandemic requires multiple targeted interventions to reduce transmission, to develop better treatments and to protect vulnerable people. This declaration prioritises just one aspect of a sensible strategy – protecting the vulnerable – and suggests we can safely build up ‘herd immunity’ in the rest of the population. This is wishful thinking. It is not possible to fully identify vulnerable individuals, and it is not possible to fully isolate them. Furthermore, we know that immunity to coronaviruses wanes over time, and re-infection is possible – so lasting protection of vulnerable individuals by establishing ‘herd immunity’ is very unlikely to be achieved in the absence of a vaccine. Individual scientists may reasonably disagree about the relative merits of various interventions, but they must be honest about the feasibility of what they propose. This declaration is therefore not a helpful contribution to the debate.”

expert reaction to Barrington Declaration, an open letter arguing against lockdown policies and for ‘Focused Protection’ | Science Media Centre

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Dr Rupert Beale, Group Leader, Cell Biology of Infection Laboratory, Francis Crick Institute, said:

“An effective response to the Covid pandemic requires multiple targeted interventions to reduce transmission, to develop better treatments and to protect vulnerable people. This declaration prioritises just one aspect of a sensible strategy – protecting the vulnerable – and suggests we can safely build up ‘herd immunity’ in the rest of the population. This is wishful thinking. It is not possible to fully identify vulnerable individuals, and it is not possible to fully isolate them. Furthermore, we know that immunity to coronaviruses wanes over time, and re-infection is possible – so lasting protection of vulnerable individuals by establishing ‘herd immunity’ is very unlikely to be achieved in the absence of a vaccine. Individual scientists may reasonably disagree about the relative merits of various interventions, but they must be honest about the feasibility of what they propose. This declaration is therefore not a helpful contribution to the debate.”

expert reaction to Barrington Declaration, an open letter arguing against lockdown policies and for ‘Focused Protection’ | Science Media Centre

Were you a doctor or am I misrembering?

 

[Jaguar]

Were you a doctor or am I misrembering?

Is my professional life your business? I think not.

 

[Firebird 8118]

 

[Firebird 8118]

I still experience meltdown episodes every now and then, so I get scared of having that happen in front of children because it might traumatize them.

And then that fear fades away every time I hold my baby niece and she falls asleep with her tiny arm wrapped around my neck. If she feels that safe with me... then I might just be okay after all. Like, I’ll still try and find a way to isolate myself like a werewolf if I feel it bubbling up ahead of time, but it’s at least nice to know I’m not an absolute monster to everyone...

 

[Virtual ghost]

1. If COVID is really like cold then there can be no real herd immunity. Since cold is coming over and over and it still hurts people.


2. Just if your country is unable to do lockdown right and without causing extra damage that doesn't mean that it is fundamentally bad idea.