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Z Buck McFate

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Pediatric neurosurgeon. But I wouldn't let him clip my cat's nails at this point.

Yeah, exactly. I knew he was a neurosurgeon (didn't know it was pediatric - gross, the prospect of him having anything to do with kids), but I've never understood exactly how that supports qualification for being in charge of HUD. And even before that (pre-Trump), Sam Harris used to vent about him as being someone seeking public office who prioritizes religion over science. So I mean, in my mind, he already started trashing his credibility as a neuroscientist with the extreme fundamentalist claims he would regularly make (before 2016). Apparently he's more focused on holding some political office than practicing medicine anyway (which is why I wonder what he'd say his career is, seems split in odd directions), but I think prioritizing religious fundamentalism over science is just as big an impediment to holding public office as it would be to neurosurgery.
 

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Yeah, exactly. I knew he was a neurosurgeon (didn't know it was pediatric - gross, the prospect of him having anything to do with kids), but I've never understood exactly how that supports qualification for being in charge of HUD. And even before that (pre-Trump), Sam Harris used to vent about him as being someone seeking public office who prioritizes religion over science. So I mean, in my mind, he already started trashing his credibility as a neuroscientist with the extreme fundamentalist claims he would regularly make (before 2016). Apparently he's more focused on holding some political office than practicing medicine anyway (which is why I wonder what he'd say his career is, seems split in odd directions), but I think prioritizing religious fundamentalism over science is just as big an impediment to holding public office as it would be to neurosurgery.

The reason he is qualified to head HUD (according to Trump and the GOP that confirmed him) is because he is from Detroit and grew up in subsidized housing. Except that he didn't.

Ben Carson didn't live in public housing

He is also a Seventh Day Adventist. Which isn't a problem in itself except when you have a cabinet position and can't sort out your own life without your religion telling you what to do. Which is a violation of the 1st Amendment and promise of secular federal government. He's a complete conservative evangelical kook bootlicker. His race isn't relevant, nearly every back person I know, that has shared an opinion on him, has nothing positive to say.
 

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Ben Carson's house: a homage to himself – in pictures | US news | The Guardian

He seems remarkably unable to perceive how he comes off, outside of his worldview / echo chamber, and seems to lack character discernment beyond his own medical background. But he "looks right" to people from that group. My mom is essentially a white religious person (sincere about her faith) in her 70's and she just had a very favorable impression of him because he's a doctor and educated and dresses nicely and is a Christian. She was a little surprised when I was more critical... obviously one thing being he's in a position he never understood and should not be in charge of.
 

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LMAO.
 

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Ben Carson's house: a homage to himself – in pictures | US news | The Guardian

He seems remarkably unable to perceive how he comes off, outside of his worldview / echo chamber, and seems to lack character discernment beyond his own medical background. But he "looks right" to people from that group. My mom is essentially a white religious person (sincere about her faith) in her 70's and she just had a very favorable impression of him because he's a doctor and educated and dresses nicely and is a Christian. She was a little surprised when I was more critical... obviously one thing being he's in a position he never understood and should not be in charge of.

I always wonder how seriously fucked up someone's skull is when I find out they have a portrait of themselves hanging on the wall.
 

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Ben Carson's house: a homage to himself – in pictures | US news | The Guardian

He seems remarkably unable to perceive how he comes off, outside of his worldview / echo chamber, and seems to lack character discernment beyond his own medical background. But he "looks right" to people from that group. My mom is essentially a white religious person (sincere about her faith) in her 70's and she just had a very favorable impression of him because he's a doctor and educated and dresses nicely and is a Christian. She was a little surprised when I was more critical... obviously one thing being he's in a position he never understood and should not be in charge of.
I was raised in his same religion. It has a strong insider/outsider conception and some of the sense of pride and identity is based on being separate and misunderstood by the outsiders. It is also a religion highly focused on 'being right' and they do lots of theological debates. Lots of focus on the anti-christ and rejecting authority. There is some tendency for libertarian and conspiracy leanings. You are encouraged to learn wilderness survival techniques for the time of trouble when the whole world is going to hate your group. I know it very, very, very well. They do live in their own little world. I was there for many years until my INTP husband logic-ed his way out and me along with him. I probably have a 100 in my newsfeed, so am current on the generalize political positions.
 

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I was raised in his same religion. It has a strong insider/outsider conception and some of the sense of pride and identity is based on being separate and misunderstood by the outsiders. It is also a religion highly focused on 'being right' and they do lots of theological debates. Lots of focus on the anti-christ and rejecting authority. There is some tendency for libertarian and conspiracy leanings. You are encouraged to learn wilderness survival techniques for the time of trouble when the whole world is going to hate your group. I know it very, very, very well. They do live in their own little world. I was there for many years until my INTP husband logic-ed his way out and me along with him. I probably have a 100 in my newsfeed, so am current on the generalize political positions.

This has no business in the federal government. At all.
 

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Ben Carson's house: a homage to himself – in pictures | US news | The Guardian

He seems remarkably unable to perceive how he comes off, outside of his worldview / echo chamber, and seems to lack character discernment beyond his own medical background. But he "looks right" to people from that group. My mom is essentially a white religious person (sincere about her faith) in her 70's and she just had a very favorable impression of him because he's a doctor and educated and dresses nicely and is a Christian. She was a little surprised when I was more critical... obviously one thing being he's in a position he never understood and should not be in charge of.

This is a level of narcissism that could only be rivaled by maybe Trump himself. The paintings are ridiculous but I can see it being part of the "identity" aspect of the religion too.
 

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I think that "interview" had little to do with the fantasy COVID drug and more to do this drug addled right wing retard plugging a potential political run. And CNN (as will all MSM) will do all they can to help that along.

Perhaps CNN could have Laura Loomer (who won her primary in Fl), the My Pillow Guy and mental football coach from Alabama that beat Jeff Sessions, on today.
 

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Here the new school year starts in about 10 days and since the number of active known cases is a little bit over a thousand it seems we will try with doing it in the classrooms. Plus there is some talk that every student would get from the state the masks it needs, so that the poor are also covered. Plus this also increases the odds that the kids will actually wear them, since it is more systemic solution.
However if all of this in practice wouldn't work education authorities will end this and move everything to online and TV improvisations.
 

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Female-led countries handled coronavirus better, study suggests | World news | The Guardian

Countries led by women had “systematically and significantly better” Covid-19 outcomes, research appears to show, locking down earlier and suffering half as many deaths on average as those led by men.

The relative early success of leaders such as Germany’s Angela Merkel, New Zealand’s Jacinda Ardern, Denmark’s Mette Frederiksen, Taiwan’s Tsai Ing-wen and Finland’s Sanna Marin has so far attracted many headlines but little academic attention.

The analysis of 194 countries, published by the Centre for Economic Policy Research and the World Economic Forum, suggests the difference is real and “may be explained by the proactive and coordinated policy responses” adopted by female leaders.

Even after clear and frequently cited outliers such as New Zealand and Germany – and the US for male leaders – were removed from the statistics, the study found, the case for the relative success of female leaders was only strengthened.

"Our results clearly indicate that women leaders reacted more quickly and decisively in the face of potential fatalities,” said Supriya Garikipati, a developmental economist at Liverpool University, co-author with Reading University’s Uma Kambhampati.

“In almost all cases, they locked down earlier than male leaders in similar circumstances. While this may have longer-term economic implications, it has certainly helped these countries to save lives, as evidenced by the significantly lower number of deaths in these countries.”

The two researchers said they analysed differing policy responses and subsequent total Covid-19 cases and deaths until 19 May, introducing a number of variables to help analyse the raw data and draw reliable comparisons between countries.

Among the datasets considered were GDP, total population, population density and proportion of elderly residents, as well as annual health spending per head, openness to international travel and level of gender equality in society in general.

Since only 19 of the nearly 200 countries were led by women, the authors also created so-called “nearest neighbour” countries to offset the small sample size, pairing Germany, New Zealand and Bangladesh with male-led Britain, Ireland and Pakistan.

“This analysis clearly confirms that when women-led countries are compared to countries similar to them along a range of characteristics, they have performed better, experiencing fewer cases as well as fewer deaths,” Garikipati said.

She added that while female leaders “were risk averse with regard to lives”, locking their countries down significantly earlier than male leaders, that also suggested they were “more willing to take risks in the domain of the economy”.

When compared according to the “openness to travel” criterion, female-led countries did not experience significantly lower Covid cases but did report lower deaths, the researchers found, concluding that this may suggest “better policies and compliance”.

Garikipati said the evidence of a “significant and systematic difference” showed that even accounting for institutional context and other controls, “being female-led has provided countries with an advantage in the current crisis”.

The researchers said they hoped the study would “serve as a starting point to illuminate the discussion on the influence of national leaders in explaining the differences in country Covid-outcomes”.

There are graphs of the twinned countries in the linked article.
 

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I saw that^ piece earlier today and kinda did an inventory in my head of all the men I know who would be able to read that and seriously consider the possibility (vs instantly opening up several cans of mansplaining about how it's a flawed observation). The estimate I arrived at kinda depressed me.

At least my 26 yo son was on the good list, so there was that.
 

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Regarding that male vs. female leaders argument: that one is floating around for months (I've seen that months ago). But I am not surprised at all with this, women are indeed more hardwired to help or care about people when it comes to sensitive stuff like diseases. Plus they are generally a bit more cautious about everything. On the other hand I have male leadership at this point, but very none "macho" one. What also provided a decent results over the last few months (in global perspective). Although the EU as a whole is actually under a female leadership as a block, so from that point of view I have a female leader (which is doctor btw.).


(I voted for women before so I don't see the big deal in that regard)
 

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Politico has a new graph of EU+UK in daily new cases.
About a month and a half ago we had only about 4500 thousand cases per day and now we are at 15000. But harder measures seem to be cutting larger growth, which is by good margin due to "summer time". Although France and Spain seem to make over half of those new cases.



Coronavirus in Europe
 

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I get notifications of the counts of deaths and new cases in my state every day. "200 new deaths today." That's lower than it even has been today. It's a sad thing. I'm just shaking my head, wondering how people, Trump and the Republicans who aren't against Trump especially, can be so cold. "It is what it is," Trump said about the deaths. "Corona has a low death rate, just reopen," others say. 200 people died today, and that's not even a high count compared to what it's been. That's a low count day. Those people are not no one. They are not an insignificant number. Every last one of those lives mattered, whether they were young or old, rich or poor, family members or orphaned people. People act like it's just a numbers game. These are peoples' lives...I wish more people would stop and think..."What would I think if someone looked at my death the way I look at these peoples'?" to examine themselves on whether or not they're being heartless about it all.
 
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