Coronavirus

[21%]

It takes billions of dollars to greenlight a damn aspirin but people have no issue injecting barely tested partly deactivated viruses that could end up having negative long term effects.

Correct me if I'm wrong -- I thought current (mandatory) vaccines have been quite thoroughly tested?

 

[Virtual ghost]

Coronavirus could break the EU


Truth to be told the narrative wasn't that great and some measures are a little bit too late.

 

[anticlimatic]

All the toilet paper racks in my town are looking like Venezuela too. Just when I ran out. Good thing the worst in people has a way of bringing out the best in people. Neighbors were all happy to share,

 

[typologyenthusiast]

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[ceecee]

Not directly related question: Why do people buy that much toilet paper? I really dont get.

Because they think nothing will be manufactured or delivered and they will all be using tshirts or leaves for the remainder of their time on earth.

All I can say no one is laughing at my insistence on a Toto toilet when we redid the master bath last year. But I've been prepping/self-sufficiency for the better part of a decade - I'm good on food and most other stuff.

 

[FemMecha]

Not directly related question: Why do people buy that much toilet paper? I really dont get.

They hear that the shit is going down, so what do you do?

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

i haven't been paying a ton of attention to this thread, or very interested in this subject in general... seems to me like a lot more fuss is being made than is really necessary... seems like there should be provisions made for vulnerable members of a community, and the rest of us could stop buying insane stockpiles of toilet paper... this has in no way impacted my life beyond spending some time in smaller towns confirming that even napkins, paper towels, and tissues are in short supply... not one roll of toilet paper on a shelf... what in the fuck? it isn't like i am low on anything i need... i just don't understand the mentality (well, i can't imagine having it) that leads to that... how long are these people planning to hide at home? isn't that just going to trash the economy over something that isn't typically lethal?

post script:

i only checked the smaller spots after hearing complaints about it in larger local spots... is there something i am missing? maybe there is more risk from this thing than i am understanding somehow... not that i want to be sick... i am just saying... somebody has to do stuff...

I don't know when the hoarding of toilet paper started. But when there is a possible shortage of anything, there are people who buy off the rest of the stock and try to sell it on Amazon or Ebay for insane prices. I haven't checked to see if that is the case this time. It's likely though since I've seen it before. I try so hard never to give those people money for anything.

 

[EcK]

Correct me if I'm wrong -- I thought current (mandatory) vaccines have been quite thoroughly tested?

The idea people have that vaccines are perfectly safe is incorrect - it's more of a case of some doctor deciding that it's worth the risk, of the 'benefits outweighing the risk' -.

Vaccines change the way your immune system responds to its environment and it's hard to know the long term effects exactly.
Furthermore, there are no guarantee people will catch a given illness, and in the case of the vaccine, it is purposefully administered rather than more of a happenstance.

Yes, overall vaccines are 'very safe' but if they find a vaccine for an ongoing pandemic they're going to greenlight it far more easily due to exceptional measures. In all likelihood, governments would be happy to preemptively exonerate whatever pharma company produced said vaccine of any responsibility for the occasional death if it meant a quick resolution to the situation. And of course, the same people who greenlighted it would not have any interest to check the aftereffects with too much zeal.

And even with very low numbers, you can find paradoxical situations where a disease is eradicated but still vaccinated against and where the illness causes 0 deaths but the vaccine will kill a few people per year. So as I said it's a doctor saying 'it's worth the risk' - rather than the magical shield gov PR says it is.

edit:
To give some examples :
+ in 1955 a vaccine against Polio gave 40,000 people Polio (including 51 paralysis and 5 deaths),
+ in the 70ies an influenza mass vaccination campaign saw 10,000,000 people vaccinated and caused important medical issues for 1,000 people, including 53 deaths. It was for an epidemic that finally never came out of its initial foothold in the US (a military base)
+ the Yellow fever vaccine can in rare cases (approx 1 in 300,000) cause multisystem organ failure and death.
+ The yellow fever vaccine can also create inflammation of the brain at a rate of 1 in 100,000 - while rarely fatal if treated i'd assume it can cause brain damage.
+ smallpox vaccine kill approx 1 person per million doses administrated, additionally it can kill fetuses if injected in pregnant women.
+ etc.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Because they think nothing will be manufactured or delivered and they will all be using tshirts or leaves for the remainder of their time on earth.

Yeah, I think of all the conveniences of modern living toilet paper is right up there on the top of the list. Even in a less apocalyptic scenario (where maybe even just the stores close for a week, or if we're quarantined to our own homes for a couple weeks - which honestly, isn't too irrational a fear at this point ...unless one buys a year's worth of tp to compensate), it's just something we collectively can't stand the thought of going without.

It has generated some really funny video game death memes.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

On a way, way less funny note, this video comparing last month's obituary section of an Italian newspaper to the current obituary section is just wrenching. 1 1/2 pages vs. 10 pages.

https://twitter.com/benphillips76/status/1238854071509016577?s=19

 

[FemMecha]

Because they think nothing will be manufactured or delivered and they will all be using tshirts or leaves for the remainder of their time on earth.

All I can say no one is laughing at my insistence on a Toto toilet when we redid the master bath last year. But I've been prepping/self-sufficiency for the better part of a decade - I'm good on food and most other stuff.

Actually, crumpling and softening junk mail and newspaper and putting it into a trash can makes more sense than T-shirts. We had to use newspaper when I was growing up because we couldn't always afford toilet paper. You scrunch it up until it isn't as hard.

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

More like middle class soccer mom Liberals. Libertarians had their shit already stocked up, even before this hit.

Yeah, I have always hoarded toilet paper. It looks like it is finally paying off. This still makes me nervous.

 

[Jaguar]

I can't wait to see how anti-vaxxers react when a vaccine is finally produced.

Any prudent person would hopefully be skeptical. Quality control has been on a downward spiral for years. Same with generic drugs.

 

[JAVO]

Yes, overall vaccines are 'very safe' but if they find a vaccine for an ongoing pandemic they're going to greenlight it far more easily due to exceptional measures. In all likelihood, governments would be happy to preemptively exonerate whatever pharma company produced said vaccine of any responsibility for the occasional death if it meant a quick resolution to the situation. And of course, the same people who greenlighted it would not have any interest to check the aftereffects with too much zeal.

The US government has had a formal program in place to exonerate pharma companies since 1986.

Vaccine Injury Compensation Programs | History of Vaccines

Compensation payments from NVICP have averaged $782,136 per successful claim through 2011, with an additional $113 million dispersed to pay attorney fees and legal costs (the act awards attorney fees and costs for unsuccessful claims provided that the litigants bring their claims in good faith and upon a reasonable basis, as well as for successful claims). Compensation for a death resulting from vaccination is capped at $250,000. As of December 1, 2011, the program had awarded $2.35 billion in 2,810 separate claims, including compensation for 390 deaths.

 

[EcK]

The US government has had a formal program in place to exonerate pharma companies since 1986.

Vaccine Injury Compensation Programs | History of Vaccines

Compensation payments from NVICP have averaged $782,136 per successful claim through 2011, with an additional $113 million dispersed to pay attorney fees and legal costs (the act awards attorney fees and costs for unsuccessful claims provided that the litigants bring their claims in good faith and upon a reasonable basis, as well as for successful claims). Compensation for a death resulting from vaccination is capped at $250,000. As of December 1, 2011, the program had awarded $2.35 billion in 2,810 separate claims, including compensation for 390 deaths.

charming.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

This is one industry that needs to be heavily regulated. I would hope the more libertarian leaning people would realize the need when the products being produced can in fact kill people if quality control is lacking. Free market won't fix everything.

 

[Lexicon]

Any prudent person would hopefully be skeptical. Quality control has been on a downward spiral for years. Same with generic drugs.

Yeah, I wasn't referring prudent people who exercise caution-- I was talking more about the extremists who insist things like, the measles vaccine cause autism, etc. Given how scary COVID19 is, i think it'd be funny on some level if they change their tune when a vaccine comes out. Just a passing thought. But, I suppose I shouldn't derail the thead further, though.

 

[21%]

Thanks for the explanation [MENTION=5643]EcK[/MENTION] !

 

[21%]

COVID19 isn't *that* scary for an individual, tbh, so I doubt people who are anti-vaccines will change their mind.

 

[FemMecha]

COVID19 isn't *that* scary for an individual, tbh, so I doubt people who are anti-vaccines will change their mind.

I'm guessing there is a huge overlap between people who are anti-vaccines and people who think the entire coronavirus issue is a hoax.

(having co-habitated with people who think this way)