Coronavirus

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

I do not understand why people cannot comprehend the concept and need for just staying the f*ck at home for all things considered a relatively short time period. Are they not seeing the numbers?

(I do 'get it', many people are fools, but that doesn't make me feel any better about it)

I'm really baffled by the older people, the ones we are trying to protect because they're at the greatest risk doing this.

 

[cascadeco]

I'm really baffled by the older people, the ones we are trying to protect because they're at the greatest risk doing this.

I'm not informed anymore on any age breakdowns or what the data is showing, but I know initially the thought was that all of the older folks would be more impacted. They are probably still the most compromised, but I know plenty of younger people have died of it as well, even of prior decent health, so at this point I feel like any age is susceptible and everyone should be in it for everyone else. But yeah, regardless of age, it is baffling, and to your point, maybe especially so for older folks.

 

[Maou]

Stay away from chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. They're both highly toxic, especially chloroquine, and there's no benefit to taking them.

Anti-malarial treatment hailed by Trump has no benefit for coronavirus patients, French researchers find | South China Morning Post

For Corona virus maybe, but it does treat other diseases like Lupus and arthritis. It can't be that toxic if it treats quality of life conditions for people. Cost benefit for virology is what has been diagreeded on a lot.

 

[á´…eparted]

Stay away from chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. They're both highly toxic, especially chloroquine, and there's no benefit to taking them.

Anti-malarial treatment hailed by Trump has no benefit for coronavirus patients, French researchers find | South China Morning Post

The bold is hyperbole and inaccurate. The medication itself is not toxic or harmful when used at the correct dosages/treatment for the right conditions under doctor supervision. While I understand the sentiment behind this - it is not a viable treatment for coronavirus -, it is not helpful to paint pharmaceuticals as broadly toxic or harmful. While they do have some potential very nasty and rarely permanent side effects, it is a legitimate and viable treatment for some diseases.

For Corona virus maybe, but it does treat other diseases like Lupus and arthritis. It can't be that toxic if it treats quality of life conditions for people. Cost benefit for virology is what has been diagreeded on a lot.

Such as the ones mentioned here. It's also used in the treatment of malaria as mentioned in the article and countless others, but it has largely been replaced by better treatments like artemisinin.



Also, can we all PLEEASE stop talking about this drug?!?! I am soooooo tired of talking about it, and even thinking about it.

 

[Jonny]

 

[rav3n]

The bold is hyperbole and inaccurate. The medication itself is not toxic or harmful when used at the correct dosages/treatment for the right conditions under doctor supervision. While I understand the sentiment behind this - it is not a viable treatment for coronavirus -, it is not helpful to paint pharmaceuticals as broadly toxic or harmful. While they do have some potential very nasty and rarely permanent side effects, it is a legitimate and viable treatment for some diseases.

This is a thread about C19 so my expectation is that people would figure out that my post relates solely to C19 applications. Chloroquine has already killed some people when administered by researchers in a Brazilian study that had to be halted. Both drugs have caused irregular heart rhythms in many subjects, while under the guidance and administration of researchers.

 

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

I know I said this before:
Seriously, WTF are the they doing in NY day after day ? (NY alone has more confirmed cases than any other country)

N.Y. to start reporting 'probable' coronavirus deaths to CDC

Causes of death are recorded factually, but using probability to record causes of death is seemingly a “new normal” for NY. Especially when the RT-PCR test is a surrogate test. It’s probable that NY is running 50+ cycles to get their probability numbers.

 

[á´…eparted]

This is a thread about C19 so my expectation is that people would figure out that my post relates solely to C19 applications. Chloroquine has already killed some people when administered by researchers in a Brazilian study that had to be halted. Both drugs have caused irregular heart rhythms in many subjects, while under the guidance and administration of researchers.

Yes, but we still need to strive for accuracy. If this pandemic has shown anything, making assumptions can be a really bad thing.

The studies where individuals died does not mean that the drug is toxic. Arrhythmia is a known side effect of it, and can be pronounced in individuals with undetected heart problems, which is not terribly uncommon. To say it is toxic or broadly harmful is an overreached assumption.

What the studies have shown is is that it is extremely unlikely to be a viable treatment for cornavirus, and further investigation is not warranted at all. Further, that no individual should self-medicate with it, nor should doctors use it in any sort of experimental treatment.

 

[rav3n]

Yes, but we still need to strive for accuracy. If this pandemic has shown anything, making assumptions can be a really bad thing.

Who would assume that my statement has to do with anything other than the thread topic? Oh wait...

The studies where individuals died does not mean that the drug is toxic. Arrhythmia is a known side effect of it, and can be pronounced in individuals with undetected heart problems, which is not terribly uncommon. To say it is toxic or broadly harmful is an overreached assumption.

Both drugs are toxic, considering all their side effects, even when used for malaria patients. This is why it fell out of favor as a first line malaria treatment and became a last resort drug.

What the studies have shown is is that it is extremely unlikely to be a viable treatment for cornavirus, and further investigation is not warranted at all. Further, that no individual should self-medicate with it, nor should doctors use it in any sort of experimental treatment.

Agreed on both.

 

[á´…eparted]

Why am I even here? Why do I even bother discussing this stuff?

 

[Red Memories]

Normally, I would be annoyed by the funding being changed, but for the WHO, I think it may be a positive pressure.

#1: Taiwan basically confirmed as early as December they suggested to the WHO this spread from person to person and the WHO, even now, will not publish any of Taiwan's reports, moreless due to China.

#2: If you read the history of this guy who is head of the WHO right now, you'd shudder wondering why he was put in charge of protecting billions of people.

People have been crying for this man to step down. I think it is kind of warranted regardless. I don't think the WHO as a purpose is bad, but right now it is very corrupted

 

[Red Herring]

Normally, I would be annoyed by the funding being changed, but for the WHO, I think it may be a positive pressure.

#1: Taiwan basically confirmed as early as December they suggested to the WHO this spread from person to person and the WHO, even now, will not publish any of Taiwan's reports, moreless due to China.

#2: If you read the history of this guy who is head of the WHO right now, you'd shudder wondering why he was put in charge of protecting billions of people.

People have been crying for this man to step down. I think it is kind of warranted regardless. I don't think the WHO as a purpose is bad, but right now it is very corrupted

Yes, let's defund the World Health Organisation in the middle of a pandemic. It's not like they are needed anywhere on earth. After all any country on the planet can easily fend this off on their own.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Yes, let's defund the World Health Organisation in the middle of a pandemic. It's not like they are needed anywhere on earth. After all any country on the planet can easily fend this off on their own.

It doesn't matter since China will be more than happy to cover this hole. Especially since they present themselves as the main "firefighter" in all of this. Plus from what I understand these aren't some serious amounts of money that will make a difference (far from even a single billion). However this will allow China to basically takeover global organization for peanuts and without any problems or real opposition.



In American culture is that you can always walk away but in current geopolitical climate that only means leaving more room to China. My country and all countries around it are getting equipment and/or direct help from China, while local politicians are doing friendly press conferences with China's ambassadors. What is probably the case all over the world. Therefore what Trump really thinks doesn't really matter in the big picture. After all he is just searching someone to blame for the sake of approval ratings.

 

[ceecee]

Yes, let's defund the World Health Organisation in the middle of a pandemic. It's not like they are needed anywhere on earth. After all any country on the planet can easily fend this off on their own.

Oh I agree but I don't think it matters as every other country will cover their funding. I do think it's typical that Americans think they can simply walk away from this and it ends or walk away from WHO because they don't like what the virus did. Even typing that felt inane.

Same idiot logic as climate change ending at the borders. And you see what hyper-individualism does to a country and the world as well.

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

Normally, I would be annoyed by the funding being changed, but for the WHO, I think it may be a positive pressure.

#1: Taiwan basically confirmed as early as December they suggested to the WHO this spread from person to person and the WHO, even now, will not publish any of Taiwan's reports, moreless due to China.

#2: If you read the history of this guy who is head of the WHO right now, you'd shudder wondering why he was put in charge of protecting billions of people.

People have been crying for this man to step down. I think it is kind of warranted regardless. I don't think the WHO as a purpose is bad, but right now it is very corrupted

Here's what Nancy Pelosi said about it - “is dangerous, illegal and will be swiftly challenged.” And also this - “This is another case, as I have said, of the President’s ineffective response, that a ‘weak person, a poor leader, takes no responsibility. A weak person blames others,'” she added. So, it's irresponsible to hold them accountable and we're not allowed to, I guess?

And the US is expected to be the sugar-daddy of the world all the time. The WHO will probably get all their money back that they think their owed, eventually.

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

I'm glad you think people who attend protests aren't normal. We can agree there. My FB page today was a beautiful harmony of every single progressive friend I have, who have attended every type of protest under the sun in the past, sounding off in unison their absolute rage with the protesters and demanding that anybody who doesn't share their rage unfriend or block them. If anyone in the comments even hinted at any semblance of discord with the borg- like the insane notion that you should respect people that have different opinions- they too were blocked.

I don't get the "safe space" thing. The last place in the world I feel safe is in an echo chamber of my own values. Hence my presence here.

You know she was talking about protestors mingling together during a pandemic. You just needed an excuse to make this about your personal life and obsession with echo chambers. Cuz if you're not talking about echo chambers, you might accidentally assimilate into the borg.

 

[Red Memories]

Here's what Nancy Pelosi said about it - “is dangerous, illegal and will be swiftly challenged.” And also this - “This is another case, as I have said, of the President’s ineffective response, that a ‘weak person, a poor leader, takes no responsibility. A weak person blames others,'” she added. So, it's irresponsible to hold them accountable and we're not allowed to, I guess?

And the US is expected to be the sugar-daddy of the world all the time. The WHO will probably get all their money back that they think their owed, eventually.

I mean she's been ineffective at anything besides bitching about Trump's existence - when the impeachment was occurring her tune was very different about the virus. She basically said the impeachment took priority over the health crisis. So she is just as much to blame and she should sit the fuck down, I am beyond sick of Pelosi and her hypocrisy.

 

[ceecee]

I mean she's been ineffective at anything besides bitching about Trump's existence - when the impeachment was occurring her tune was very different about the virus. She basically said the impeachment took priority over the health crisis. So she is just as much to blame and she should sit the fuck down, I am beyond sick of Pelosi and her hypocrisy.

Democrat leadership and the GOP leadership are exactly the same but the GOP can get people to attack Nancy Pelosi. It's pretty brilliant.

 

[Red Memories]

Democrat leadership and the GOP leadership are exactly the same but the GOP can get people to attack Nancy Pelosi. It's pretty brilliant.

Honestly I think they both suck, but I hear a lot more people defend Pelosi like she's some saint in this whole thing and its literally a pot calling a kettle black. It drives me insane honestly. I'm not a republican even.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Chinese envoy to France defends country’s ‘goodwill’ amid coronavirus diplomatic row



As corona casualties mount, Putin keeps a low profile


Plus some of their close allies are also in problems as the number of cases accelerated greatly over the last week (while healthcare and economy are weak).
As I said this wouldn't spare anyone that is either dumb or shortsighted. Therefore various regimes will take hits from this, especially if things get much worse.