I listened to Trump's presser on the coronavirus today because I wanted 1 question asked and no one asked it.
How many of the 3800+ deaths were patients who were given the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combo? You'd think people, especially "journalists" would be more curious.
Stop peddling this treatment and acting like you understand this: you don't. Your implication that this is some wonder drug combo is misinformed at best. If you were actually able to assess scientific literature and information you would come to see and understand that we still know very little about if this treatment would work, AND on the face of it it doesn't make sense.
Tellenbach, I am going to be as blunt as I can without violating the rules:
You are NOT a scientist, you are NOT an expert, do NOT understand what you are talking about, and you need to STOP posting bullshit medical and scientific narratives. You ARE putting the health and safety of the general public at tangible risk by continuing to post poorly understood or outright false health narratives. I'm so beyond tired of this bullshit. You don't listen to ANYONE but yourself and it is a grave grave problem. The entire time I have been on this forum I have yet to see you have ANY reasonable grasp on medicine, chemistry, or science in general and completely lack any training or ability to assess the quality, meaning, or usefulness of any of this. You also don't even engage in meaningful science discussion, or any sort of meaningful discussion.
I want you (actually I encourage everyone) to take the time to read this article, it will answer all the questions you are seeking:
More on Chloroquine/Azithromycin. And On Dr. Raoult. | In the Pipeline This has been published by the
AAAS (The American Association for the Advancement of Science, the largest and most globally respected and recognized scientific society in the world, of which I have been a member of for years). The writer, Derick Lowe is a highly respected scientist who has academic and industry experience directly applicable to the topic at hand; he's worked in drug discovery. An organic chemist PhD (the same degree I have), he has the right education background and many years of experience to truly and deeply asses the science and medicine behind pharmaceuticals. His article makes the following very clear:
- 1. The study so far on the chloroquine/azithromycin combo treatment is in the earliest state: a preprint. It hasn't even undergone peer-review.
- 2. The study itself is quite weak and offers very little - if any - insight or scientific value.
- 3. The researcher in question - Dr. Raoult - is not to be trusted and any of his work requires the utmost scrutinty, or possibly being disregarded all-together.
- 4. Best case scenario: this research is really sloppy and needs to be re-done by other labs under far better controls.
Using my own expertise (as I am one on this topic), on the face of it the drug combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin makes little scientific and medical stance, particular on approach. There is some light evidence anti-malarials might work in coronaviruses (not this specific one), but that's not a sensible place to start. Starting with anti-viral research does. There is far more meaningful research being poured into this than this "popular" (because of the media) study. Additionally, hydroxychloroquine can have some terrible (in rare cases permanent) side effects that are both physical AND psychiatric. There is actually a far far better antimalarial medication available,
artemisinin, and researcher on it won the
nobel prize in physiology and medicine in 2015.
Sure, a lay person can to varying degrees have some assessment of science and the literature and come to some reasonable conclusion. I think its great when people try, and for the most part most folks can tell when they don't understand something and should defer to a proper expert. It makes me happy when I see people try to learn science. However, your entire tenure on the forum had demonstrated you are not only unable to do this, but unwilling to learn how to do so and how to know when to defer to experts and WHAT experts to defer to.
For the sake of all of us and the world, shut up, sit down, start listening to proper experts, and start actually learning. Your pushing of falsehoods have driven me up the goddamn wall for almost the entire time I have been here because of the harm scientific disinformation causes, and now, NOW at a time where there is a global pandemic and people are dying you continue to do so?! This is truly unconscionable and needs to come to and end. I am flabbergasted that I had to waste my time writing all of this, which should be so basic for anyone to understand: listen to proper experts, particular in the time of a crisis.
This disinformation barrage from people needs to be put to a stop by those who have the means to do so. The damage it has been and is causing is immense.
Gov. Whitmer reverses course on coronavirus drugs, is now asking feds for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine
Why is a politician making medical decisions and overruling doctors? Over 200 people have died in Michigan; how many did Governor Whitmer let die because she has Trump Derangement Syndrome? That's really what this is about, no? Some people in the media and politicians don't like this drug combo because Trump mentioned it.
See the above for why that might be. Good politicans also have a good panel of experts on their team to refer to.