Coronavirus

[Vendrah]

For comparison:

45 million Americans are bitten by dogs each year (and roughly 40 die from the attack);
606,000 Americans died from cancer in 2019;
56,000 Americans die from the flu each year;
37,000 Americans die in auto accidents each year;
3,536 Americans die from drowning each year;
51 Americans die from lightning strikes each year.

I'm thinking the coronavirus deaths will be somewhere between drowning deaths and gun homicides by urban youths. If we really wanted to save lives, we'd lower the speed limit to 45 mph everywhere and mandate 10-inch rubber front and rear bumpers on all cars and have the National Guard police urban centers like Chicago.

Currently, death by coronavirus stands at 0.047 deaths per 100,000 people.

In Chicago, the murder rate is 16 murdered per 100,000 people, which means living in Chicago is 350 times riskier than contracting the coronavirus.

Dogs: Exist for thousands of years. Some people got one at home.
Cancer: Should be as old as humanity.
Auto Accident: Ok, its kind of new, 100 years? More than a 100 actually.
Drowning: I dont know what that is and Im in a lazy moment to google translate it.
Lightning strike: This one is older than earth.
Corona: Last year? Something like that.

We all survive this stuff, as sad and bad they are. We "adapted" to them.
However, the Corona is something new, it can be something like a flu or the disease that easily spreads and could kill way more people than we think. Thats why the attention.

 

[Tellenbach]

However, the Corona is something new, it can be something like a flu or the disease that easily spreads and could kill way more people than we think. Thats why the attention.

It's not new; it may be a strain of coronavirus that's more virulent, but that's true of influenza viruses every season.

 

[Lexicon]

It's not new; it may be a strain of coronavirus that's more virulent, but that's true of influenza viruses every season.

This particular strain of coronavirus *is* new- that’s the very definition of novel. It’s more virulent, yes, & that is true of influenza. However, we have vaccines to help minimize the severity of the flu, as well as effective antivirals (such as Tamiflu) for those who contract the flu who are at risk of complications (elderly, immunosuppressed, & those with chronic lung conditions). We do not have vaccines or effective antivirals to combat COVID-19’s complications. There is a huge difference there.

As someone in the at-risk population (who isn’t “going to die anyway in the next 5 yrs” as it’s been said elsewhere in the thread), I actually really appreciate everyone being extra careful. The panicked TP zombie population is pretty annoying, though.

 

[EcK]

The panicked TP zombie population is pretty annoying, though.

In the post-apocalyptic world, this is how power and wealth will be flaunted.

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[typologyenthusiast]

[MENTION=33903]Jazzy Orchid[/MENTION]
I believe contagiousness is attributive to the corona virus; not the person infected, who should be instead identified as a sufferer or a victim. I am saying that the sufferer infected or the virus carrier should not be blamed because of others get infected. Indeed the carrier may infect healthy people but it can never be purely on their own purpose. Only When people escaped quarantine knowingly carry the virus because of having taken the test, it should be regarded as a serious legal offence. It would be justifiably fair enough to suspect them intentionally want to spread the virus to others, making others get infected.

People may need a reason to comply when they are told to do something. Typologically, the rational type dominant with sensors (Fi dom Se, Ti domSe, Fe dom with Si, Te domwith Si) are the types that needs factual reason to undergo decision. When they do not have it, they may be questioning the reason behind for an action told to them like why they must stay home. When the government tell people to stay at home, those people should be told the reason behind. A sensible reason would be because they get infected and the government doesn't want the virus the person carry spread to others , they must stay at home to minimize infection risk. But How do we make sure that we are infected. In your brother case, he may only catching a common cold; not the corona virus. Who could possibly tell that without a test?
To ensure that he get infected, he must undergo a kind of medical test.
However, it seems that to take the test is another problem. I read a thread in health and fitness subforum entitled: Covid 19 Quarantine, the OP wanted to get tested but rejected. So despite the suspect, he himself cannot be sure whether he indeed have the corona virus within his body, hence I suppose he possesses no reason to comply at the moment.
Another corona virus test rejection story is below. Check minutes 02.00-02:48, when he began talking in English. Before and after it he talked in bahasa.

Since he attended conference where some of the attendee tested positive, he got the symptoms so He wanted to get tested. But the hospital rejected him as he has none of these conditions: cancer, under chemotherapy, HIV AIDS, ... The hospital said that at the moment he doesn't meet the criteria like old patient, or riskier patient for the test. He further told that it is not only him that is rejected. Many did.
He wanted that the corona virus test conducted like in South Korea: 15000 free test a day with total 240000 and US should administer more tests approximately 19000 per day since the population number is six times more than South Korea. South Korea successfully suppress the death rate up to under 1 percent without having to impose lock down. I'd guess doing so, the Korean must have complied with what their Government told them to do, since the government provide sensible reason for them.

After testing, the hospital usually send report and the government after collecting them usually publish a report of the number of confirmed cases in a country to the public . The thing with this number is that The number of confirmed cases may still not sufficiently reflect the actuality. The actual number could be even greater. To understand it, We should be clear what does confirmed cases means.
Roughly defining, It means the number of people who has tested positive for coronavirus infection. If we tallied all of the number of confirmed cases , would it mean that's all and no more?
I would say No, Because probably there could be another cases yet un diagnosed. When confirmed cases in our location shows a number let just arbitrarily say 234, then always expect the real cases on the field must be higher than 234. Confirmed cases would also mean the case is at least what the number shows but in the actual situation could be more than reported, due to some may be infected yet not take the test. Yet,The test is crucial to confirm whether an individual is indeed infected.

We should realize the issue of spreading a corona virus is rather complicated. Firstly, we should realize the nature of contagiousness. Secondly, People with symptoms may want to get tested but rejected hence they cannot be sure either whether they are infected or not with the corona virus. Furthermore, Typologically speaking rational type with sensor will have no reason to sensibly comply if the Government told them to stay at home. Nevertheless, They probably would comply only if they were tested. Thirdly, The government should sanction, if after tested positive the virus carrier escape mandatory quarantine. Last but not least, Despite test is crucial to get the number of confirmed cases The number reported may not sufficiently reflect the actual number.
P.S : for those reason, If you worry about the spread like it might infected your beloved family member, please be informed that so do I.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Yeap, the Africa is evidently "forgotten" in all this. Cleaning this up in the third world will be a chore for sure.

 

[21%]

One hope for Africa is that their population is really young, with 80% or so under 30, which means even if the disease is out of control, a lot of people are going to have mild symptoms.

 

[typologyenthusiast]

Social Distancing for Corona virus Spread Prevention
Social distancing is a social concept newly introduced for preventive action againts corona virus spread among people. It would mean to keep distance to other people we may not know whether she or he get infected. One The purpose of maintaining about two meters distance between people is to make sure that we do not get highly contagious droplets from sneezing or coughing of already infected people. The Government expect, that the spread of the infections number will be slowing down by doing so.
Another possible practical interpretation of the term is not to attend crowd of people like gathering, exhibition, fair, club, traditional market. In Indonesia, social distancing concept is extended even greater to religious activities. As a few number of muslims usually gather in five times pray per day, or sermons. A news from Malaysia, one of Indonesia's Neighboring countries in south east Asia sounds alarming. Many people that call themselves Jamaah Tabligh, a muslim community that frequently travel overseas are reported infected. Jamaah tabligh likes to eat together. It was probably how many of them get infected. Another Large gathering that becomes a new starting point of spread is from South Korea. Before Iran and finally Italy took over, South Korea, had held the runner up position in ranking for the most infected cases after China. The outbreak began in Church
Followers of the doomsday church that is linked to South Korea's coronavirus outbreak were meeting in Wuhan until December, Business Insider - Business Insider Singapore
'We're treated like criminals': South Korean sect feels coronavirus backlash | World news | The Guardian
Indonesian Ulema Council has issued fatwa "advisory"to replace Friday pray, where male muslim largely gathered in mosque on Friday every week with individual Dzuhur pray at our own house.
How is social distancing in The country you live in? How effective will it be to slow down the corona viral transmission among people?

 

[Tomb1]

One hope for Africa is that their population is really young, with 80% or so under 30, which means even if the disease is out of control, a lot of people are going to have mild symptoms.

That's a highly uninformed and unfounded statement. Africa is the last place you would be shrugging off the effects of COVID-19 on given the number of youth living with HIV. You apparently have not taken the time to educate yourself as to the nature of COVID-19 and/or the HIV/AIDs epidemic in Africa, or if you have, you failed to sufficiently process the information; it went in one ear and out the other.

If you had, you would have learned that as of 2018 20.6 million people living in Southern and East Africa had HIV. Of that 20.6 million, "[y]oung women (aged 15–24 years) accounted for 26% of new HIV infections in 2018."

HIV and AIDS in East and Southern Africa regional overview | Avert

26 percent of 20 million means 5.2 million young women living in Southern and Eastern Africa between ages 15-24 contracted HIV in 2018 alone. Now take the last five years, coupled with the fact that rates of infection there have only dropped by about 3 percent a year since 2010, the number of young women living with HIV is astronomical. I haven't even gotten into the number of young men with HIV or other parts of Africa which are not as severely hit but still seriously affected.

Since millions of these young women are finally able to get treatment and can live a long life, the worst thing is COVID-19. As you know, COVID-19 will kill or seriously destroy the lungs of anybody it infects who already has a pre-existing immuno-suppressive condition. At that point, age is irrelevant.

My issue with you is that I had to point this reality out to you. Given the wide body of research, there is no excuse for shrugging off, as you did, the effects of COVID-19 on the population of African youth (given that there are currently millions of African youth living with HIV). All the current research coming out of Columbia University on COVID-19 is but a mere replication of research Chinese scientists had already put out in January and early February 2020 on COVID-19. Failure to heed China's research is the reason why the number of cases in the US now have nearly hit 10,000. 98 percent of those 10,000 cases (more waves are coming) could have been avoided if Trump had actually done some research and thereby understood the need to take action right away.

 

[Maou]

I read a nice summary of the report that the administration is using to decide on action against the corona virus. If the suppression doesn't work, we're fucked. That's why they are going HAM. Y'all better be ready for total shut down for two months in the future. Then a month of respite, and another shut down while they develop the vaccines. If this fails to stop the spread, the numbers are insane.

A summary of the Imperial College report on COVID-19 A summary of the Imperial College report on COVID-19 - Album on Imgur

 

[Vendrah]

You need to pay attention to these stats because of this: My local goverment has a very limited number of these tests, and because of that very few people cant really test, and through the denial of the tests, the official statistics are underestimating the real numbers. If a local goverment, either for lack of resources, or lack of will (my local one is very likely trying to protect the market by avoiding some measures and my local president is known for firing people that published stats he didnt like), limits the number of possible tests, then its very likely that these stats are biased down and are manipulated.

That goes direct into some third world countries reports: Some of these countries are likely hiding way big numbers.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

My company is switching office workers to alternating home days. I don't know, seems like a half measure to me.

For people in manufacturing, I think a wise approach would be to switch production to a 3 shift schedule. This way you can limit having too many workers clustered close together at any one time. Maybe you have certain people in a given department come in for different shifts so that department isn't too crowded at one time. I dunno.

 

[Red Memories]

You need to pay attention to these stats because of this: My local goverment has a very limited number of these tests, and because of that very few people cant really test, and through the denial of the tests, the official statistics are underestimating the real numbers. If a local goverment, either for lack of resources, or lack of will (my local one is very likely trying to protect the market by avoiding some measures and my local president is known for firing people that published stats he didnt like), limits the number of possible tests, then its very likely that these stats are biased down and are manipulated.

That goes direct into some third world countries reports: Some of these countries are likely hiding way big numbers.

there's legit people in the US fighting over getting tested because they cannot test everyone. it is a real issue.

 

[21%]

That's a highly uninformed and unfounded statement. Africa is the last place you would be shrugging off the effects of COVID-19 on given the number of youth living with HIV. You apparently have not taken the time to educate yourself as to the nature of COVID-19 and/or the HIV/AIDs epidemic in Africa, or if you have, you failed to sufficiently process the information; it went in one ear and out the other.

If you had, you would have learned that as of 2018 20.6 million people living in Southern and East Africa had HIV. Of that 20.6 million, "[y]oung women (aged 15–24 years) accounted for 26% of new HIV infections in 2018."

HIV and AIDS in East and Southern Africa regional overview | Avert

26 percent of 20 million means 5.2 million young women living in Southern and Eastern Africa between ages 15-24 contracted HIV in 2018 alone. Now take the last five years, coupled with the fact that rates of infection there have only dropped by about 3 percent a year since 2010, the number of young women living with HIV is astronomical. I haven't even gotten into the number of young men with HIV or other parts of Africa which are not as severely hit but still seriously affected.

Since millions of these young women are finally able to get treatment and can live a long life, the worst thing is COVID-19. As you know, COVID-19 will kill or seriously destroy the lungs of anybody it infects who already has a pre-existing immuno-suppressive condition. At that point, age is irrelevant.

My issue with you is that I had to point this reality out to you. Given the wide body of research, there is no excuse for shrugging off, as you did, the effects of COVID-19 on the population of African youth (given that there are currently millions of African youth living with HIV). All the current research coming out of Columbia University on COVID-19 is but a mere replication of research Chinese scientists had already put out in January and early February 2020 on COVID-19. Failure to heed China's research is the reason why the number of cases in the US now have nearly hit 10,000. 98 percent of those 10,000 cases (more waves are coming) could have been avoided if Trump had actually done some research and thereby understood the need to take action right away.

Thank you for the information. No, I have not thoroughly researched the topic, but I'm aware that HIV is endemic in Africa, and I'm also aware that this disease will be devastating to the population. But it's clear by now that the disease is out of control, and from the way things are going there's no way to stop it from reaching the farthest corners of the globe. So my 'hope' is that the 80% HIV-negative of the 80% of the young population will be able to fight the disease despite the lack of healthcare infrastructure in many African countries. I have the same hope for rural India, because I know medical care will *not* reach them. I'm not sure why you interpreted my statement as 'shrugging off' the seriousness of the issue. If this was the Spanish Flu or the H1N1 flu that primarily killed young people, I would have *no* hope at all. I apologize if my statement caused offense. I'm fully aware that this is the pandemic that will change the world, and if you think I shouldn't be expressing hope for somewhere where I feel they have this only *one* thing going for them in this disaster, then it's your right.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Copper Destroys Viruses and Bacteria. Why Isn’t It Everywhere? - VICE

 

[SearchingforPeace]

Copper Destroys Viruses and Bacteria. Why Isn’t It Everywhere? - VICE

I read a similar thing a few days ago.

So, did the bronze age cause the growth of civilization because it was largely disease free?

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I read a similar thing a few days ago.

So, did the bronze age cause the growth of civilization because it was largely disease free?

I'm sure it helped early civilization as people became more clustered together into growing communities.

I think diseases back then also spread slower, I mean you figure that if you had a 100 miles between the nearest settlements, they mainly would have travelled along major trade routes, versus now where airplanes can speed the transmission rates from community to distant community. Isolated communities would be less likely to get something, but then on the flip, they may have also been less likely to build an immunity quick enough to prevent widespread death (i.e. natives in N.A. who were devastated by smallpox, whereas the Europeans who brought it were a lot more used to smallpox because they'd had a chance to build immunity). And for that matter, I wonder if lack of copper in some N.A. native serttlements could explain how they were wiped out so quickly by those types of diseases.

 

[ceecee]

 

[Virtual ghost]

You can't really control this without "extra measures". Especially since there is probably at least 4 people who have it on every registered case.

 

[Lexicon]

Oh. My. Fuck.

Underdeveloped frontal lobe? Is that it? Is it willful ignorance borne of selfishness, or natural-born idiocy?


“If I get corona, I get corona. At the end of the day, I'm not gonna let it stop me from partying”: Spring breakers are still flocking to Miami, despite coronavirus warnings.


My brain is sore now.



*EDIT*
Wonderful! Here’s a longer version of the video:

One of my physical therapists who’s in her late 20s/early 30s flew to Miami last Weds. I think she’s still there. Seeing this, I do NOT want to go to that facility when she comes back if she doesn’t self quarantine at home first or something. Her ditzy ass could kill me & all the rickety old folks I see in there all the time, rehabbing.
What the flying fuck. I’m pissed.