Coronavirus

[JAVO]

From 2012:

"Simple mathematical analysis gives real reason for concern about the handling of these dangerous viruses. Consider the probability for escape from a single lab in a single year to be 0.003 (i.e., 0.3 percent), an estimate that is conservative in light of a variety of government risk assessments for biolabs and actual experience at laboratories studying dangerous pathogens. Calculating from this probability, it would take 536 years for there to be an 80 percent chance of at least one escape from a single lab. But with 42 labs carrying out live PPP research, this basic 0.3 percent probability translates to an 80 percent likelihood of escape from at least one of the 42 labs every 12.8 years, a time interval smaller than those that have separated influenza pandemics in the 20th century. This level of risk is clearly unacceptable."

The unacceptable risks of a man-made pandemic - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

 

[Virtual ghost]

UK +16100


The worst day in months.

 

[The Cat]

 

[FemMecha]

[MENTION=30038]The Cat[/MENTION]
That video made me go look it up and Mongolia is rough, but Columbia and countries in South America are having it rough too. I have been blanking it out as a relief, but the statistics are really awful globally. It is actually getting worse.

 

[The Cat]

[MENTION=30038]The Cat[/MENTION]
That video made me go look it up and Mongolia is rough, but Columbia and countries in South America are having it rough too. I have been blanking it out as a relief, but the statistics are really awful globally. It is actually getting worse.

And hell followed after.

 

[FemMecha]

And hell followed after.

I actually had some really awful premonitions about the pandemic that haven't happened yet, so I still feel ill at ease, although I've lost almost all faith in my intuitions as of late, but it still feels like those flames of hell are not going to stay so distant. I have this morbid feeling that it hits really fast and hard here, so should not be being so laxadaisical. Although that's different than the issue raised in the video about vaccination and privilege.

 

[Vendrah]

[MENTION=30038]The Cat[/MENTION]
That video made me go look it up and Mongolia is rough, but Columbia and countries in South America are having it rough too. I have been blanking it out as a relief, but the statistics are really awful globally. It is actually getting worse.

I actually had some really awful premonitions about the pandemic that haven't happened yet, so I still feel ill at ease, although I've lost almost all faith in my intuitions as of late, but it still feels like those flames of hell are not going to stay so distant. I have this morbid feeling that it hits really fast and hard here, so should not be being so laxadaisical. Although that's different than the issue raised in the video about vaccination and privilege.

Mind sharing your awful premonition? Just for curiosity...

Yeah, things changed a lot from US, well, I totally underestimated what difference a president can make. At the end of the year, it was death after death, carelessness, etc...

Then 5-10 months later, 6 months after Biden, all numbers are down, plenty of vaccines, even young people are vaccinated and all.. An entirely game change. Last year, US was one of the worst places to be on the pandemic, the worst inside developed countries. Now its one of the best and 'average' for developed countries.


I am in hell as usual. And I got used to it, although Im finally starting to break psychologically (have been quite depressed and more sensitive this week). But I haven't much to say because things are suck as usual here (people denying the importance of the virus, psychopathic president, high deaths, high number of cases, vaccine delay due to corruption, hypocrisy, these kinds of things).

 

[FemMecha]

Mind sharing your awful premonition? Just for curiosity...

I live in an apartment complex with shared halls for about 100 units - two levels and a square shaped hallway system interconnected between the two floors.

In my premonitions which started March 2020 (not what has happened yet) I saw these apartments become overrun with the virus. I feel there is something lying against my front door to the hall, which I wonder if it is a body. I see myself double bagging my garbage in a pile against the front door, but I can't go out. I hear people in the hall calling for help and I remain quietly inside my apartment trying to not make noise and strangely detached in a situation where i would normally feel urgency to help. I see myself psychologically changed, detached, depressed, a little disoriented. I saw myself lying on my bed feeling unwell, but not dead and hear a loud knock on the door that startles me, and it is people dressed in white hazmat suits coming through the building after many have died. I feel the virus hit fast and hard and unexpectedly. I saw my brother hospitalized with a serious case, but he survives and also my uncle who then doesn't. I saw my cat Butters die and I don't know what to do with the body because I can't go outside.

I could of course be losing my mind for other reasons. Plenty of explanations for those vivid impressions that continually haunt me. I keep trying to get out of these apartments and can't ever work out a way to move. It keeps me checking numbers.

Yeah, things changed a lot from US, well, I totally underestimated what difference a president can make. At the end of the year, it was death after death, carelessness, etc...

Then 5-10 months later, 6 months after Biden, all numbers are down, plenty of vaccines, even young people are vaccinated and all.. An entirely game change. Last year, US was one of the worst places to be on the pandemic, the worst inside developed countries. Now its one of the best and 'average' for developed countries.


I am in hell as usual. And I got used to it, although Im finally starting to break psychologically (have been quite depressed and more sensitive this week). But I haven't much to say because things are suck as usual here (people denying the importance of the virus, psychopathic president, high deaths, high number of cases, vaccine delay due to corruption, hypocrisy, these kinds of things).

I am so sorry to hear you are in the middle of it still.

 

[Vendrah]

I live in an apartment complex with shared halls for about 100 units - two levels and a square shaped hallway system interconnected between the two floors.

In my premonitions which started March 2020 (not what has happened yet) I saw these apartments become overrun with the virus. I feel there is something lying against my front door to the hall, which I wonder if it is a body. I see myself double bagging my garbage in a pile against the front door, but I can't go out. I hear people in the hall calling for help and I remain quietly inside my apartment trying to not make noise and strangely detached in a situation where i would normally feel urgency to help. I see myself psychologically changed, detached, depressed, a little disoriented. I saw myself lying on my bed feeling unwell, but not dead and hear a loud knock on the door that startles me, and it is people dressed in white hazmat suits coming through the building after many have died. I feel the virus hit fast and hard and unexpectedly. I saw my brother hospitalized with a serious case, but he survives and also my uncle who then doesn't. I saw my cat Butters die and I don't know what to do with the body because I can't go outside.

I could of course be losing my mind for other reasons. Plenty of explanations for those vivid impressions that continually haunt me. I keep trying to get out of these apartments and can't ever work out a way to move. It keeps me checking numbers.


I am so sorry to hear you are in the middle of it still.

I think your "dream/nightmare" is something real, just exaggerated.

May I tell what as "real story" here (people told me and some people can lie here, but hopefully is true): There were, in fact, apartments here where there was basically a Coronafest and Coronavirus did infect half of the inhabitants, even big apartments. My uncle was one of them: She and her husband had the virus, their neighbours had the virus, their kids lucky did not not. So some condos becoming full of Corona is something real on Brazil and it did happen last year. And yeah, some people on these condos died, a few of them, others got some serious condition and some good bunch of them survived and it was in fact at that times even dangerous to use the elevators and close halls may represent a threat.

But there is another side of the story: They did not stop partying and using public areas. So my uncle's apartment was quite a wealthy one (of course, wealthy here means less for you on US) and it did had swimming pool and other areas too and party's section. Corona came in on march/april and they did NOT stop partying and neither using these areas. Full of people with no masks and uncareful at that time. Lots of people had Corona. Even people who were cautioned were catching Corona on elevators and probably on closed area halls as well, and suffering due to the imprudence of others.

My mom's apartment, on the other side, did forbids the parties on the public areas, they later forbid, with a lot of conflict, parties inside the apartments as well, had masks and all the caution. Very few people had Corona and mom and her husband did not and they had their 1st shot already.

So your dream is somewhat real, it exaggerates a bit, of course, I mean the virus on your dream is more deadly and all, but I get the fear that you are having. Condos full of Corona and lots of people getting Corona on these condos was a reality in Brazil, but that was because they were partying and not taking cautions. You having this dream since March makes lots of sense, you having this dream after you take a vaccine not much. IMO its just your unconscious warning you of a real danger, and your unconscious may distort a bit to send the message, but that is it.

 

[FemMecha]

I think your "dream/nightmare" is something real, just exaggerated.

May I tell what as "real story" here (people told me and some people can lie here, but hopefully is true): There were, in fact, apartments here where there was basically a Coronafest and Coronavirus did infect half of the inhabitants, even big apartments. My uncle was one of them: She and her husband had the virus, their neighbours had the virus, their kids lucky did not not. So some condos becoming full of Corona is something real on Brazil and it did happen last year. And yeah, some people on these condos died, a few of them, others got some serious condition and some good bunch of them survived and it was in fact at that times even dangerous to use the elevators and close halls may represent a threat.

But there is another side of the story: They did not stop partying and using public areas. So my uncle's apartment was quite a wealthy one (of course, wealthy here means less for you on US) and it did had swimming pool and other areas too and party's section. Corona came in on march/april and they did NOT stop partying and neither using these areas. Full of people with no masks and uncareful at that time. Lots of people had Corona. Even people who were cautioned were catching Corona on elevators and probably on closed area halls as well, and suffering due to the imprudence of others.

My mom's apartment, on the other side, did forbids the parties on the public areas, they later forbid, with a lot of conflict, parties inside the apartments as well, had masks and all the caution. Very few people had Corona and mom and her husband did not and they had their 1st shot already.

So your dream is somewhat real, it exaggerates a bit, of course, I mean the virus on your dream is more deadly and all, but I get the fear that you are having. Condos full of Corona and lots of people getting Corona on these condos was a reality in Brazil, but that was because they were partying and not taking cautions. You having this dream since March makes lots of sense, you having this dream after you take a vaccine not much. IMO its just your unconscious warning you of a real danger, and your unconscious may distort a bit to send the message, but that is it.

The people kept partying throughout the pandemic, and I did see neighbors struggling to get up the stairs to catch their breath, so it did kinda happen here, but not like my impressions. I live in crappy apartments. They aren't the very worst tier, but are on the lower end of passing health inspections. Serious mold issues. I do live in crappy apartments. I would say for U.S. around the 20 percentile with 0 being an abandoned building and 100 being posh highrise penthouse. Not sure how that compares to other countries.

I still worry it is still coming - a mutation that jumps the vaccine barrier and is unweildy, hit strong and hard. Maybe the systems stop it before it goes global, but like popcorn, certain spots get it bad. I feel like that is still coming - a sort of "whack-a-mole" flu season with some serious manifestations of mutation. Don't know. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I still worry it is still coming - a mutation that jumps the vaccine barrier and is unweildy, hit strong and hard. Maybe the systems stop it before it goes global, but like popcorn, certain spots get it bad. I feel like that is still coming - a sort of "whack-a-mole" flu season with some serious manifestations of mutation. Don't know. Hope I'm wrong.

Delta coronavirus variant: scientists brace for impact

Delta is moderately resistant to vaccines, particularly in people who have received just a single dose. A Public Health England study published on 22 May found that a single dose of either AstraZeneca's or Pfizer's vaccine reduced a person’s risk of developing COVID-19 symptoms caused by the Delta variant by 33%, compared to 50% for the Alpha variant. A second dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine boosted protection against Delta to 60% (compared to 66% against Alpha), while two doses of Pfizer’s jab were 88% effective (compared to 93% against Alpha).

Preliminary evidence from England and Scotland suggests that people infected with Delta are about twice as likely to end up in hospital, compared with those infected with Alpha.

That show is already on the way. Just wait for colder weather.

 

[FemMecha]

“At the start of this pandemic, I spoke about 15 minutes of close contact being a concern. Now it looks like it’s five to 10 seconds that’s a concern. The risk is so much higher now than it was only a year ago.”

Covid Delta variant is ‘in the air you breathe’: what you need to know about Sydney outbreak strain | Health | The Guardian

 

[Virtual ghost]

UK +26 000


The worst it was since January.
The delta is doing it's thing it seems.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I'm thinking about getting some n95 masks before this delta variant hits here. I actually had the Pfizer vaccine which is still pretty effective against it, but it wouldn't hurt. Of course I'd need to shave off my beard to be able to use them properly.

I also understand that only *some* N95 masks are effective which seems kinda dumb on the part of the people creating the standard. Why have a standard if it is not standard?

 

[JAVO]

One study indicates mask wearing is likely unhealthy

Experimental Assessment of Carbon Dioxide Content in Inhaled Air With or Without Face Masks in Healthy Children: A Randomized Clinical Trial | JAMA Pediatrics | JAMA Network

(hypercapnia = elevated blood CO2 levels)


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Many governments have made nose and mouth covering or face masks compulsory for schoolchildren. The evidence base for this is weak.1,2 The question whether nose and mouth covering increases carbon dioxide in inhaled air is crucial. A large-scale survey3 in Germany of adverse effects in parents and children using data of 25 930 children has shown that 68% of the participating children had problems when wearing nose and mouth coverings.

The normal content of carbon dioxide in the open is about 0.04% by volume (ie, 400 ppm). A level of 0.2% by volume or 2000 ppm is the limit for closed rooms according to the German Federal Environmental Office, and everything beyond this level is unacceptable.4

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We measured means (SDs) between 13 120 (384) and 13 910 (374) ppm of carbon dioxide in inhaled air under surgical and filtering facepiece 2 (FFP2) masks, which is higher than what is already deemed unacceptable by the German Federal Environmental Office by a factor of 6. This was a value reached after 3 minutes of measurement. Children under normal conditions in schools wear such masks for a mean of 270 (interquartile range, 120-390) minutes.3 The Figure shows that the value of the child with the lowest carbon dioxide level was 3-fold greater than the limit of 0.2 % by volume.4 The youngest children had the highest values, with one 7-year-old child’s carbon dioxide level measured at 25 000 ppm.

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Most of the complaints reported by children3 can be understood as consequences of elevated carbon dioxide levels in inhaled air. This is because of the dead-space volume of the masks, which collects exhaled carbon dioxide quickly after a short time. This carbon dioxide mixes with fresh air and elevates the carbon dioxide content of inhaled air under the mask, and this was more pronounced in this study for younger children.

This leads in turn to impairments attributable to hypercapnia. A recent review6 concluded that there was ample evidence for adverse effects of wearing such masks. We suggest that decision-makers weigh the hard evidence produced by these experimental measurements accordingly, which suggest that children should not be forced to wear face masks.

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[Virtual ghost]

UK +26 000


The worst it was since January.
The delta is doing it's thing it seems.

UK +28 000


With a number of countries having an upward trend again.
While in some like Indonesia this is even record day in new cases. While in Russia it seems to be the deadliest.



I mean the thing is that delta variant made a mess in India not so long ago and from what I understand that was done in fairly warm weather. So in the lower temperatures this could really be "nasty" variant. Kinda how COVID was actually presented in the media from the start.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

UK +28 000


With a number of countries having an upward trend again.
While in some like Indonesia this is even record day in new cases. While in Russia it seems to be the deadliest.



I mean the thing is that delta variant made a mess in India not so long ago and from what I understand that was done in fairly warm weather. So in the lower temperatures this could really be "nasty" variant. Kinda how COVID was actually presented in the media from the start.

Apparently N95 masks are still hard to come buy, but I've been motivated to buy additional cloth masks so I can switch them out each day.

 

[Red Herring]

Apparently N95 masks are still hard to come buy, but I've been motivated to buy additional cloth masks so I can switch them out each day.

Over here N95 masks (or in some cases at least surgigal masks) have been compulsory in public buildings, in stores and on public transport as well as on crowded shopping streets, at bus stations, etc. since last fall. They started out being expensive and there were supply shortages but are now available at every supermarket checkout for about a Euro per piece. Studies have shown you can actually reuse them a while as long as they are completely dried out and have been aired long enough. There initially were quite a few "fake" (non-certified and therefor likely unsafe) masks around but by now the market has stabilized.

There are no N95 masks for children yet, only surgical masks. My 6 year old wears one without any problems whenever we go grocery shopping and will likely have to wear one in class when school starts in august. That complaint about CO2 levels and kids not being able to breath properly is, to the best of my knowledge, debunked bullshit paddled by anti-vaxxer-anti-lockdown-the-great-reset-plandemic-conspiracy-myth-peddlers (we have them here as well and there is some overlap with Q Anon and local far right with some new age hippies mixed in, basically an alliance of grousers who don't shy away from marching side by side with bona fide nazis as long as they can stick it to the man)

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Over here N95 masks (or in some cases at least surgigal masks) have been compulsory in public buildings, in stores and on public transport as well as on crowded shopping streets, at bus stations, etc. since last fall. They started out being expensive and there were supply shortages but are now available at every supermarket checkout for about a Euro per piece. Studies have shown you can actually reuse them a while as long as they are completely dried out and have been aired long enough. There initially were quite a few "fake" (non-certified and therefor likely unsafe) masks around but by now the market has stabilized.

There are no N95 masks for children yet, only surgical masks. My 6 year old wears one without any problems whenever we go grocery shopping and will likely have to wear one in class when school starts in august. That complaint about CO2 levels and kids not being able to breath properly is, to the best of my knowledge, debunked bullshit paddled by anti-vaxxer-anti-lockdown-the-great-reset-plandemic-conspiracy-myth-peddlers (we have them here as well and there is some overlap with Q Anon and local far right with some new age hippies mixed in, basically an alliance of grousers who don't shy away from marching side by side with bona fide nazis as long as they can stick it to the man)

You can reuse them every three days, is that it ? I read that somewhere. I just ordered my box (someone shared a link with me for N95) and if that's so, it would make it easier to split it with my family.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Over here N95 masks (or in some cases at least surgigal masks) have been compulsory in public buildings, in stores and on public transport as well as on crowded shopping streets, at bus stations, etc. since last fall. They started out being expensive and there were supply shortages but are now available at every supermarket checkout for about a Euro per piece. Studies have shown you can actually reuse them a while as long as they are completely dried out and have been aired long enough. There initially were quite a few "fake" (non-certified and therefor likely unsafe) masks around but by now the market has stabilized.


There are no N95 masks for children yet, only surgical masks. My 6 year old wears one without any problems whenever we go grocery shopping and will likely have to wear one in class when school starts in august. That complaint about CO2 levels and kids not being able to breath properly is, to the best of my knowledge, debunked bullshit paddled by anti-vaxxer-anti-lockdown-the-great-reset-plandemic-conspiracy-myth-peddlers (we have them here as well and there is some overlap with Q Anon and local far right with some new age hippies mixed in, basically an alliance of grousers who don't shy away from marching side by side with bona fide nazis as long as they can stick it to the man)

Even if it is half true that is still better than the scenario that they come home and kill family member(s). What evidently complicates their life as well.


Anyway, my government it seems came to realization that it will have to fight anti-vaxxers head on through media campaign and various measures. They should have started that a while ago but it is becoming clear that this wouldn't have truly gentle solution. I am not prone to this kind of thinking but here I give conservatives fully open hands to deal with this "imported anti-vaxx ideology". Lives and economy simply require that.