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Simon Pegg is right about the toxicity of Star Wars fans. I don't think this applies to anyone here, but for some reason whenever a new movie comes out a large portion of the fanbase wants to engage in a holy war against the portion of the fanbase that thinks that the new movie wasn't the worst thing ever made. I hated Rise of Skywalker but I would never insist that someone who liked it needs to "see the light" and "stop lying to themselves" and see that the movie sucks. I mean I wanted to like the movie and I was pro Sequel Trilogy until that movie came out and it was apparent they were really just going by the seat of their pants.

I was in Star Wars forums for the prequels and this has been going on a long time. Consider the harrassment Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd received. Star Trek fans don't seem to take it to the level of an obnoxious holy war when they dislike something.
 

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There are trek fans like that, but I think the very nature of Star Trek (it’s always been more in line with a progressive, non traditionalist mindset) tends to turn off the types of people that would be most likely to bring toxicity and reactionary worldviews into the fandom. Also trek fans seem to do a better job of self policing
 

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There are trek fans like that, but I think the very nature of Star Trek (it’s always been more in line with a progressive, non traditionalist mindset) tends to turn off the types of people that would be most likely to bring toxicity and reactionary worldviews into the fandom. Also trek fans seem to do a better job of self policing
I wouldn't say either fan base is great, although I guess the comparison holds in terms of which is better in terms of behavior.

But I think in the past they were more noticeable because they were super-huge franchises with stolid, committed fans and a public footprint, in an age before the "superfanbase" era. As other fan bases have swelled in the last 10-20 years, we can see some of it repeated in other fan bases as well. SW just happens to be one of the biggest.
 

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I wouldn't say either fan base is great, although I guess the comparison holds in terms of which is better in terms of behavior.

But I think in the past they were more noticeable because they were super-huge franchises with stolid, committed fans and a public footprint, in an age before the "superfanbase" era. As other fan bases have swelled in the last 10-20 years, we can see some of it repeated in other fan bases as well. SW just happens to be one of the biggest.
I used to take issue with the popular conception in some circles of geeks as reactionary; thinking it was all made up and it was only jocks who were reactionary. I think stuff like the reaction Kelly Marie Tran got really changed my mind and that perhaps I was wrong to conclude that problems didn't exist. Looking back I can see signs of it. I'm also not really anti-jock; I've decided I'm simply too old for this shit.
 

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I wouldn't say either fan base is great, although I guess the comparison holds in terms of which is better in terms of behavior.

But I think in the past they were more noticeable because they were super-huge franchises with stolid, committed fans and a public footprint, in an age before the "superfanbase" era. As other fan bases have swelled in the last 10-20 years, we can see some of it repeated in other fan bases as well. SW just happens to be one of the biggest.
Also the most market hyped. I thought LOTR was gonna compare for a while then GOT but nobody's got the money flowing into the base like SW does.
 

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I used to take issue with the popular conception in some circles of geeks as reactionary; thinking it was all made up and it was only jocks who were reactionary. I think stuff like the reaction Kelly Marie Tran got really changed my mind and that perhaps I was wrong to conclude that problems didn't exist. Looking back I can see signs of it. I'm also not really anti-jock; I've decided I'm simply too old for this shit.
Had your Murtaugh moment did you? Welcome to the club.
 
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I'm sure you've guys have seen this before . . . lookalikes . . . still cracks me up . . .

Gingrich and Gunray (by design)
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Palpatine and Lieberman (coincidence?)
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And just for fun
 

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https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-best-worst-actors/

Dumb article. These are actually examples of good and bad writing and/or directing.

Ridley is an obvious case. She was a n00b going into this, and Abrams had to work her hard (sometimes leaving her in tears) until she delivered the performance he needed. (She also improved as an actress.) Abrams sucks for other reasons, but he typically does provide direction to actors.

In these cases, the actors got no direction (often on green screen environs) or the role was poorly written. Like why blame del Toro? It's Johnson's fault for bad writing/concept and bad direction.

And if I were Neeson, I'd be disengaged/depressed too for taking what should have been a memorable role and then having to act out such a crappy script and plot. Bless McGregor for being able to push through.
 
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Gaaa, are you kidding me? I need to watch that crap show to understand Mando s3??
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I wonder which was handled worse, the DC universe or the Star Wars sequel trilogy?

Probably the Star Wars sequel trilogy because the universe had already existed and they only had three movies to worry about.
i feel like the sequel trilogy was really interesting to watch from the perspective of anthropology. Im pretty sure if there is a distant future where human culture is studied the star wars movie franchise will be a thing a person can write about to get a phd for. Hell you could probably do it now, but not for the same reasons. But like youve got three movies that take place in the middle of a thing and those three movies stand alone for over two decades, so of course whatever they came out with was not going to be as good to people as the two decades of fanfic they had come up with for themselves. So the prequel movies dont do as well as the originals did, while at the same time being an entire new generations first exposure to it, like many children grow up seeing the movies in order of episode number, rather than by release date. (there's a point to be made about the tonal diffrences matching the times in which they came out, but thats for another time)So when they come back to make the sequel trilogy, they say, we wont make the same mistakes again, so they alientate the new generation by making essentially a cinematic homage to episode four with no in cannon reasons, not to mention alienating the existing fanbase by basically telling them their fanfics and zines dont count outside of Star Wars Tales or specific movie tie ins...and over rely on a very aged cast who should have been cameos to pass the torch at best(Han Solo died for these sins, and wow so did Carrie Fischer I guess. Like a hard reboot is what you do when your computer freezes, you cant treat the Galactic Empire like your 96 Dell computer. You cant just reboot that shit off screen. That should have been our sequal trilogy if you knew you were making star wars forever, but i digress. The last Jedi almost turned it around for me, that seemed like it was gonna show some galactic nuance and focus on some other family other than the starwars kardashians. I am so sick of that damned family and their stupid hijinx. everything in the galaxy centers around the same 20 people. I want a damned season of Max Reebo Sy Snootles and Droopy McCool. I want a gritty noir detective series where a bounty hunter is chasing the Anzati serial killer across the outer rim. I wanted to see Rogue Squadron fighting the Imperial Remnant after the Emperor died but it was still largely business as usual in the empire, Corran Horn and Fucking Luke Skywalker taking the Jedi back to what they were pre old republic before the Sith split off after meeting the Sith, back when Jedi can and did fuck, and fuck they did, like rabbits they were, not just because nerd authors are horny, but because the only true way to be the guardians of peace and justice in the republic is to be sex positive. but there was soooo much we could have had, and what we got, was just almost a greek tragedy's worth of hubris and mishandling from damned near everyone as far as I can tell, and seemingly all for the sake of making money over movies.

tldr: a star wars fan has a few thoughts about the planet of the apes and the movies that shape us and the corporate overlords who dole out what we actually get.
 

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I will respond more in depth later but I will say that I'm always down for more Droopy McCool.
 

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So is The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles no longer canon? Because Indy is a happy, adjusted old man by the early nineties in that timeline.

Everything Disney touches is just such a bummer. I hate how their stench taints everything, including their own original IPs currently being revisited and reimagined
I haven't seen very much of that show, but it's my understanding that the old Indy was actually removed from video releases back when Lucas was in charge, perhaps because he planned to do an old Indy movie of his own.

The new movie probably sucks but my dad wants to go see it so I'll go if it will be able to get him out of the house.

They tend to be depressing, these nostalgic sequels. I'm not sure why that is.

I liked Last Jedi in part because it was the only one that gave the character it was killing off an epic, heroic showdown, and when it did this I didn't find it depressing, and it was what everyone expected Luke to be. To me it seems like the people making the movie actually did understand the character. I can think of ways other filmmakers could have handled it, and it wouldn't have been as good.

Solo's death is him reaching out to his son, and then his son stabbing him in the heart. I have two problems with this:

  1. It's pretty dark and I understand Harrison Ford is sick of his character, but as I said above, there are better ways to kill off a classic character.
  2. This means we don't see the gang get back together. Not once. I was excited about the chance of seeing them all together on screen, and we're robbed of this. "Ruin" Johnson actually understood in his movie that people actually wanted to see this more than they wanted to see X-wings and Tie-fighters go at it again.
Leia's death is much worse than that. It makes it clear that they had no idea what to do with Carrie Fisher's death, and rather than just take the time to come up with something else that works., we get this dogshit. This is exactly what they did in that episode of the Simpsons when they were making the Fallout Boy movie and Rainier Wolfcastle was injured because the googles do nothing. I never thought I'd see a filmmaker unironically try it in my favorite sci-fi series.

(By contrast, I have no idea why Harrison Ford is appearing as a force ghost to Kylo Ren, but it's by far the best scene in the movie and Ford acts the hell of it.)
 
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I haven't seen very much of that show, but it's my understanding that the old Indy was actually removed from video releases back when Lucas was in charge, perhaps because he planned to do an old Indy movie of his own.

The new movie probably sucks but my dad wants to go see it so I'll go if it will be able to get him out of the house.

They tend to be depressing, these nostalgic sequels. I'm not sure why that is.

I liked Last Jedi in part because it was the only one that gave the character it was killing off an epic, heroic showdown, and when it did this I didn't find it depressing, and it was what everyone expects Luke to be.

Solo's death is him reaching out to his son, and then his son stabbing him in the heart. I have two problems with this:

  1. It's pretty dark and I understand Harrison Ford is sick of his character, but as I said above, there are better ways to kill off a classic character.
  2. This means we don't see the gang get back together. Not once. I was excited about the chance of seeing them all together on screen, and we're robbed of this. "Ruin" Johnson actually understood in his movie that people actually wanted to see this more than they wanted to see x-wings and tie-fighters go at it again.
Leia's death is even worse, because it makes it clear that they had no idea what to do with Carrie Fisher's death, and rather than just take the time to come up with something else that works., we get this dogshit. This is exactly what they did in the episode of the Simpsons when they were making the Fallout Boy movie and Rainier Wolfcastle was injured because the googles do nothing. I never thought I'd see a filmmaker unironically try it in my favorite sci-fi series.

(By contrast, I have no idea why Harrison Ford is appearing as a force ghost to Kylo Ren, but it's by far the best scene in the movie and Ford acts the hell of it)
Yeah I feel like it was a bad death for Han Solo, It really did kinda kill star wars for me last jedi got me back, but then. that other movie happened to me and I'm just. Theyre on thin ice in my mind palace.
 

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I haven't seen very much of that show, but it's my understanding that the old Indy was actually removed from video releases back when Lucas was in charge, perhaps because he planned to do an old Indy movie of his own.

The new movie probably sucks but my dad wants to go see it so I'll go if it will be able to get him out of the house.

They tend to be depressing, these nostalgic sequels. I'm not sure why that is.

I liked Last Jedi in part because it was the only one that gave the character it was killing off an epic, heroic showdown, and when it did this I didn't find it depressing, and it was what everyone expects Luke to be.

Solo's death is him reaching out to his son, and then his son stabbing him in the heart. I have two problems with this:

  1. It's pretty dark and I understand Harrison Ford is sick of his character, but as I said above, there are better ways to kill off a classic character.
  2. This means we don't see the gang get back together. Not once. I was excited about the chance of seeing them all together on screen, and we're robbed of this. "Ruin" Johnson actually understood in his movie that people actually wanted to see this more than they wanted to see x-wings and tie-fighters go at it again.
Leia's death is even worse, because it makes it clear that they had no idea what to do with Carrie Fisher's death, and rather than just take the time to come up with something else that works., we get this dogshit. This is exactly what they did in the episode of the Simpsons when they were making the Fallout Boy movie and Rainier Wolfcastle was injured because the googles do nothing. I never thought I'd see a filmmaker unironically try it in my favorite sci-fi series.

(By contrast, I have no idea why Harrison Ford is appearing as a force ghost to Kylo Ren, but it's by far the best scene in the movie and Ford acts the hell of it)
The force ghost was barely a redeption, but it made me less mad because it validates han solo being force sensetive with was a long time theory in the old eu
 
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