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Not sure why we never had one of these threads. Anyway, to start things out, this happened yesterday:
billwillingham.substack.com
www.superherohype.com
I have no clue who legally is in their rights here. I guess Willingham's strategy was just to piss off DC by forcing them to go after anyone who buys into what Willingham was offering, having them waste money and funds and time litigating and getting bad press in the meanwhile from the fan base? That's kind of amusing, honestly. Because I'm not sure whether he really believes he was allowed to do this but is just forcing them to justify it.
I know there was a big hubbub recently with Fables, which I learned just this week had done another 12 issues or so after ending a few years back. The last issue or two was heavily delayed for some reason, and Bill seemed agitated. Now this happened on Friday. Not really sure of all the backstory.
I have known of Willingham for many decades, as he was in the TSR artist bullpen for D&D 1st edition or so -- along with other artists like Erol Otus and Jeff Dee. He was my favorite artist at the times, with spot art appearing both in the hardcover books and various modules, so I was bummed when he left that work behind. A few years later I ran across him doing comic books, like Elementals (Comico) -- which I liked esp if he did the art for an issue but was bugged because it also seemed to be a really angry book and misogynist at times. I also suspect our politics are different.
I lost track of him after that until he started doing Fables a few decades later, and his writing and attitudes seemed to have really smoothed out. In fact, his female characters were more spectacular and amazing than his male characters -- and they all seemed to have both strengths and weaknesses. It's like he got his shit together and everything more in balance in his own mind, and while I was bummed when the series ended (and that Totenkinder got messed up by that tramp Cindy, ha ha), it was a nice stopping point. And it's one of the most favorite comic series I have ever read, and Buckingham (the main artist for quite a while) is a really sweet guy as well as talented.
So I'm kinda curious what's been going on with this. This definitely seems like a Bill move, I'm not really surprised, I'm just not really familiar with the legal contract for "creator owned properties" and how that all works in this particular situation. I am REALLY sure it isn't going to be simple.

Willingham Sends Fables Into the Public Domain
Here, below, is the press release I sent out today to explain what I did and why.

As of now, 15 September 2023, the comic book property called Fables, including all related Fables spin-offs and characters, is now in the public domain. What was once wholly owned by Bill Willingham is now owned by everyone, for all time. It’s done, and as most experts will tell you, once done it cannot be undone. Take-backs are neither contemplated nor possible.

Fables: DC Issues Statement on Creator’s Public Domain Claim
After Bill Willingham stated he released the rights of Fables into the public domain, DC has provided a statement in response.

“The Fables comic books and graphic novels published by DC, and the storylines, characters, and elements therein, are owned by DC and protected under the copyright laws of the United States and throughout the world in accordance with applicable law and are not in the public domain,” the statement reads. “DC reserves all rights and will take such action as DC deems necessary or appropriate to protect its intellectual property rights.”
I have no clue who legally is in their rights here. I guess Willingham's strategy was just to piss off DC by forcing them to go after anyone who buys into what Willingham was offering, having them waste money and funds and time litigating and getting bad press in the meanwhile from the fan base? That's kind of amusing, honestly. Because I'm not sure whether he really believes he was allowed to do this but is just forcing them to justify it.
I know there was a big hubbub recently with Fables, which I learned just this week had done another 12 issues or so after ending a few years back. The last issue or two was heavily delayed for some reason, and Bill seemed agitated. Now this happened on Friday. Not really sure of all the backstory.
I have known of Willingham for many decades, as he was in the TSR artist bullpen for D&D 1st edition or so -- along with other artists like Erol Otus and Jeff Dee. He was my favorite artist at the times, with spot art appearing both in the hardcover books and various modules, so I was bummed when he left that work behind. A few years later I ran across him doing comic books, like Elementals (Comico) -- which I liked esp if he did the art for an issue but was bugged because it also seemed to be a really angry book and misogynist at times. I also suspect our politics are different.
I lost track of him after that until he started doing Fables a few decades later, and his writing and attitudes seemed to have really smoothed out. In fact, his female characters were more spectacular and amazing than his male characters -- and they all seemed to have both strengths and weaknesses. It's like he got his shit together and everything more in balance in his own mind, and while I was bummed when the series ended (and that Totenkinder got messed up by that tramp Cindy, ha ha), it was a nice stopping point. And it's one of the most favorite comic series I have ever read, and Buckingham (the main artist for quite a while) is a really sweet guy as well as talented.
So I'm kinda curious what's been going on with this. This definitely seems like a Bill move, I'm not really surprised, I'm just not really familiar with the legal contract for "creator owned properties" and how that all works in this particular situation. I am REALLY sure it isn't going to be simple.