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laintpe

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Because people are freaking out, the number of people who will die of cancer and diseases that can be prevented with early intervention is stupid. Go to the fucking doctor if you are sick or experiencing health changes. Also, be like Japan. Structure the community in a way that encourages protection of the old without subjecting the rest of the population to other risks. Our healthcare systems are seeing crazy reductions in immunization for children. This is also stupid. Be safe but don't freeze in place. Wtf USA.
 

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A Dallas salon owner will spend a week in jail after she was found in contempt of court Tuesday for violating an order to close her salon during the coronavirus pandemic.
In addition, Shelley Luther was fined $7,000 for continuing to operate her business, Salon à la Mode, in violation of a judge’s temporary restraining order issued against the business.

Too bad, tootsie. :rules:

Dallas salon owner jailed for reopening in violation of court order
 

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The opening could actually work if you create borders between the individual states and then you slowly and with precaution first open the states that aren't too infected and/or certain industries. Since from what I saw the pandemic seems to quite unequally spread around the country. However every state that has more than 10000 active registered cases should wait further and opening NY would be crazy for sure. As I said this is simply the pie you have to slice to pieces in order that you can consume it properly.
 

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A Dallas salon owner will spend a week in jail after she was found in contempt of court Tuesday for violating an order to close her salon during the coronavirus pandemic.
In addition, Shelley Luther was fined $7,000 for continuing to operate her business, Salon à la Mode, in violation of a judge’s temporary restraining order issued against the business.

Too bad, tootsie. :rules:

Dallas salon owner jailed for reopening in violation of court order

Cops arrest armed men, Texas bar owner who violated order to close - ABC News
 

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Too bad, tootsie. :rules:

Rules? LOL. From the article:

She applied for one of the federal loans aimed at helping small businesses but didn’t receive it until Sunday, she testified.

“I couldn’t feed my family, and my stylists couldn’t feed their families,” Luther testified, holding a phone to her face from the witness stand so the court reporter could hear her through a mask.

Before issuing his ruling, Moyé gave Luther an opportunity to apologize and promise not to reopen her salon until she was allowed to do so, saying he would consider levying only a fine “in lieu of the incarceration which you’ve demonstrated that you have so clearly earned.”

Luther, however, defended her actions to the very end.

“Feeding my kids is not selfish,” she told Moyé. “If you think the law is more important than kids getting fed, then please go ahead with your decision, but I am not going to shut the salon.”

If she wasn't anti-government before, she sure is now. It's not really her fault for choosing to feed her family after the same government that cut off her livelihood failed to deliver financial aid. And then threw her in jail. A week before the state was set to open up salons anyway.

100 degrees of stupid, as per governmental usual. This is just going to make people want to rebel more.
 

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Rules? LOL. From the article:



If she wasn't anti-government before, she sure is now. It's not really her fault for choosing to feed her family after the same government that cut off her livelihood failed to deliver financial aid. And then threw her in jail. A week before the state was set to open up salons anyway.

100 degrees of stupid, as per governmental usual. This is just going to make people want to rebel more.


It figures you would make an excuse for someone ignoring a court order. Tell me, do you rob the homes of your clients because you need money and then claim you're entitled?
 

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It figures you would make an excuse for someone ignoring a court order. Tell me, do you rob the homes of your clients because you need money and then claim you're entitled?

No. But if a child was starving to death on the other side of the road, I'd jay-walk over to give them some food.

 

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Kinda siding with people who are against mandatory anything, since it is anti-constitutional. I don't care what goal or people have in mind. It is truthfully a violation of the amendments of the constitution. Everyone has the right to rebel, and no one should be okay with perma removal of these abilities to riot and protest etc.
 

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How COVID-19 Could Transform American Politics : NPR

"This crisis is a time machine to the future," says Anne-Marie Slaughter, CEO of the think tank New America and a former director of policy planning at the State Department during the Obama administration. "I think we'll look back and see that this was like the Great Depression or a war, and that created political space to make big policy change that seemed just too hard even two months ago."

After every big national crisis in America, the federal government has emerged with a new, greater role.

Former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who as President Obama's chief of staff during the Great Recession famously said "never allow a good crisis go to waste," points out that after the Civil War came land grant colleges and the national railway system; after the Great Depression came rural electrification and Social Security; and at the height of the Cold War President Eisenhower proposed a national highway system — all big federal investments that changed the fabric of life across the country.

The current pandemic and expected recession could result in a new, expanded role for the federal government again.

At least the motivations are out in the open now. Guess I'll just go ahead and do the opposite of whatever these people suggest. Likely, not alone.
 

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Flatten the curve, and then it crushes the children? Think of the importance of nutrition in developing brains, and consider the far-reaching implications for society.

New research shows a rise in food insecurity without modern precedent. Among mothers with young children, nearly one-fifth say their children are not getting enough to eat, according to a survey by the Brookings Institution, a rate three times as high as in 2008, during the worst of the Great Recession.

The reality of so many Americans running out of food is an alarming reminder of the economic hardship the pandemic has inflicted.

This is just one example among many of why politicians (from all parties) often make poor leaders. How many of them would sit around their table debating politics while their own kids were going hungry?

As Hunger Swells, Food Stamps Become a Partisan Flash Point - The New York Times
 

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Kinda siding with people who are against mandatory anything, since it is anti-constitutional. I don't care what goal or people have in mind. It is truthfully a violation of the amendments of the constitution. Everyone has the right to rebel, and no one should be okay with perma removal of these abilities to riot and protest etc.

Someone suggested perma removal of protesting? When? The right to riot? No one gets that.

But I do remember some around here being just fine with this.

These states have introduced bills to protect drivers who run over protesters - CNN

These State Lawmakers Indulged the Violent Fantasy of Ramming Protesters With a Car – Streetsblog USA

You will speak up the next time a lawmaker tried to fuck with protesting, right?
 

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Rules? LOL. From the article:



If she wasn't anti-government before, she sure is now. It's not really her fault for choosing to feed her family after the same government that cut off her livelihood failed to deliver financial aid. And then threw her in jail. A week before the state was set to open up salons anyway.

100 degrees of stupid, as per governmental usual. This is just going to make people want to rebel more.





I have to agree, this isn't really her fault directly. The government should have given everyone for food and basic things, postpone the bills and expect that everyone that truly isn't essential stays at home. If economy was really in the hibernation the corporations wouldn't need that much of a bailout and that money should have been given to the people. While not acting on time as a country really wasn't her personal fault. Plus the jail and 7000$ is evidently an overkill in my book. Personally I would go further than 300$ and "go back to your family".






But to be honest I cringe a little every time American goes "government this, government that". Does you government:


Does it pay your medical bills when you are really sick and not old ? No
Does it pay your entire collage tuition ? No
Does it take extra effort to remove any forms of crime from the street ? No
Does it respects laws closely ? Generally No
Does it respects international laws and institutions closely ? Generally no
Do you elect your head of the government with a popular vote ? No
Does your government takes extra effort that food, water and air aren't toxic ? Generally no
It is possible to shut down the government ? Yes (and to me this is WTF)

Etc.



In other words why even call "this" government ? To me "this" whatever it really is simply doesn't really fit into the definition of "government". In other words I am getting impression that almost everyone in US wouldn't be nearly as anti-government as they are is in the case that you actually have one.


Food for thought. :shrug:
 

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Kinda siding with people who are against mandatory anything, since it is anti-constitutional.

My state supreme court basically said to the Republicans playing politics over human lives, " go fuck yourselves, it's not unconstitutional" when they tried to go after my Governor. The Governor has a legal right to protect the lives and health of citizens. If someone doesn't think so, I suggest they move to China and stay there.
 

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My state supreme court basically said to the Republicans playing politics over human lives, " go fuck yourselves, it's not unconstitutional" when they tried to go after my Governor. The Governor has a legal right to protect the lives and health of citizens. If someone doesn't think so, I suggest they move to China and stay there.

They have th legal right to do so within the constitution. Not against it.
 
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