Coronavirus

[JAVO]

This preliminary study indicates that the number of infected people is much higher.

Under the three scenarios for test performance characteristics, the population prevalence of COVID-19 in Santa Clara ranged from 2.49% (95CI 1.80-3.17%) to 4.16% (2.58-5.70%). These prevalence estimates represent a range between 48,000 and 81,000 people infected in Santa Clara County by early April, 50-85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases. Conclusions The population prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in Santa Clara County implies that the infection is much more widespread than indicated by the number of confirmed cases. Population prevalence estimates can now be used to calibrate epidemic and mortality projections.

COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California | medRxiv

 

[Red Herring]

This preliminary study indicates that the number of infected people is much higher.



COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California | medRxiv

They did similar studies in Germany. One controversial study in an infamous hotspot found a good 15% had antibodies already. They current estimate is that about 3% of the German population have been through Covid-19 by now. My immediate family and I would almost surely be among that number.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

The people that are dying are acceptable losses to them. Even their own, which blows that whole my tribe thing out of the sky. It's about $$, that's all that exists in a society overdosed on capitalism, which has always been the core of the all the social problems.

In reality what they are "protesting" is - Give me convince/comfort/privilege or give me death.

NYT posted something about a Reuters poll indicating the protests are rooted more in ideology than tangible obstructions to creature comforts. 45, that Devos group, etc, know how to poke that "freedomz" ideological nerve to stoke action that serves their own ends.

It also mentioned that, fortunately, those protesting seem to be a minority amongst Republicans. (I'll eta the link).

What’s Driving the Right-Wing Protesters Fighting the Quarantine? What’s Driving the Right-Wing Protesters Fighting the Quarantine? - The New York Times

In a Fox News poll released last week, strongly conservative voters were in fact less likely than others to say they worried that the response to the virus could cause a recession. Most did not say they were “very worried” about this, whereas among the rest of the electorate, more than three in five said they were very concerned about the prospect of a recession.

So the backlash may be less about fears that the response will cause economic harm, and more about a sense of outrage at an infringement on liberties.
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[ceecee]

Do you always have to take everything I say out of context to make yourself look morally superior?

I said this on page 81 to Hexcoder almost a month ago.

4/17/2020 is a month ago? Ok.

I see a lot of people talking about rights in terms of covid19. I very much agree that we should all be cautious about what powers we give our governments in this time. We should be thanking the fact that the federal government, can't just stroll into our communities and take people away. That is the real perspective that should be set alight right now. For example, some states have overstepped their boundaries on protectionism, and it has become tyrannical. I firmly believe those who surrender liberty, for safety. Deserve neither. The same applies to a pandemic. If this shit is going to be consistent, lock-downs will just fuck us in the end. Yes, the real danger is in the health industry. Far as I can tell, its fine. We got this. The reopening will be fine.

 

[á´…eparted]

NYT posted something about a Reuters poll indicating the protests are rooted more in ideology than tangible obstructions to creature comforts. 45, that Devos group, etc, know how to poke that "freedomz" ideological nerve to stoke action that serves their own ends.

It also mentioned that, fortunately, those protesting seem to be a minority amongst Republicans. (I'll eta the link).

They've also had facebook and a number of unethical sociological research firms provide them with all kinds of research data and tools on whom to manipulate and how. They quite well know how to do what they are doing. It rather doesn't matter what provokes it, so long as the end result gives them what they want.

 

[ceecee]

NYT posted something about a Reuters poll indicating the protests are rooted more in ideology than tangible obstructions to creature comforts. 45, that Devos group, etc, know how to poke that "freedomz" ideological nerve to stoke action that serves their own ends.

It also mentioned that, fortunately, those protesting seem to be a minority amongst Republicans. (I'll eta the link).

Actually that's what I've heard directly from a couple people that were protesting although I'm sure it's a minority.

 

[á´…eparted]

4/17/2020 is a month ago? Ok.

She doesn't understand what her positions are or even why. This is the case for many garden variety trump supporters (the ones who don't actively go out and protest and whatnot). Unlike many past trump supporters here, she doesn't seem to be malicious or hateful, but instead just extremely disorganized. It seems to be rooted in a disconnection between what values are held, and what values actually personally matter. Its a type of cognitive dissonance. Hence, there is a weird inconsistency with what stances are taken, and a seeming lack of proper recall of what is said.

 

[Maou]

4/17/2020 is a month ago? Ok.

What conclusion are you making? What is the point of quoting unrelated posts, and stringing them together? What does the quote "those who surrender liberty for safety, deserve neither liberty or safety" at all have to do with the groups of people you mentioned? If you were reading the context, I was referring to being cautious about awarding the government unlimited power to control the pandemic. As those powers will most likely not be relinquished when this is over with. It was not about taking precautionary measures to protect yourself from the virus. Please explain.

The note I made about "Muh freedoms" was solely to Hexcoder, on the subject of Spring breakers partying reguardless of lockdowns. As American culture is pretty entitled, and rebellious in nature.

 

[ceecee]

What conclusion are you making? What is the point of quoting unrelated posts, and stringing them together? What does the quote "those who surrender liberty for safety, deserve neither liberty or safety" at all have to do with the groups of people you mentioned? If you were reading the context, I was referring to being cautious about awarding the government unlimited power to control the pandemic. As those powers will most likely not be relinquished when this is over with. It was not about taking precautionary measures to protect yourself from the virus. Please explain.

The note I made about "Muh freedoms" was solely to Hexcoder, on the subject of Spring breakers partying reguardless of lockdowns. As American culture is pretty entitled, and rebellious in nature.

They're not unrelated, I highlighted the quote I originally took issue with so you could see where it came from and when. Until you can grasp that, there isn't anything further to say.

 

[ceecee]

NYT posted something about a Reuters poll indicating the protests are rooted more in ideology than tangible obstructions to creature comforts. 45, that Devos group, etc, know how to poke that "freedomz" ideological nerve to stoke action that serves their own ends.

It also mentioned that, fortunately, those protesting seem to be a minority amongst Republicans. (I'll eta the link).

What’s Driving the Right-Wing Protesters Fighting the Quarantine? What’s Driving the Right-Wing Protesters Fighting the Quarantine? - The New York Times

In a Fox News poll released last week, strongly conservative voters were in fact less likely than others to say they worried that the response to the virus could cause a recession. Most did not say they were “very worried” about this, whereas among the rest of the electorate, more than three in five said they were very concerned about the prospect of a recession.

So the backlash may be less about fears that the response will cause economic harm, and more about a sense of outrage at an infringement on liberties.
​

I guess the bigger issue I have is that the right is MIA over protesting actual attacks on freedoms and constitutional rights, such as;

Mass extrajudicial surveillance of US citizens (Patriot Act)
Largest prison population in human history
68,000 overdoses in 2018
78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck
About 40 million [Americans] live in poverty, 18.5 million in extreme poverty, and 5.3 million live in Third World conditions of absolute poverty.

So I don't have much sympathy if the olds can't go to Shoney's daily or I can't get seeds or a drip pan liner for my grill. The right doesn't give a shit about freedoms or constitutional rights being violated, even when it's their own.

As far as I can see, these protests are slow motion suicide bombings. Same kind of radicalization, same sort of ideological extremism.

 

[Maou]

They're not unrelated, I highlighted the quote I originally took issue with so you could see where it came from and when. Until you can grasp that, there isn't anything further to say.

What is the issue with the quote if it was unrelated to the groups mentioned? I clearly elaborated what I meant with the quote. You hating the Liberty quote, literally has nothing to do with the conversation either. I haven't even posted recently apart from maybe one or two things. So why bring it up now? From my perspective, all you did was point out the Liberty quote, and then you implied that I was saying those groups don't deserve liberty and safety. So color me confused. But lets rewind, so you can better understand my confusion and perhaps elaborate please.

I posted this, this morning:

Just wanted to say, I told you the "Muh freedomz" was going to be an issue in USA, a while back lol.

Americans don't do the whole unity thing very easily. Time to say let god sort them out at this point.

Which is a reference to this post.

Yeah, I knew some Americans would scoff at the lockdown, due to obsessions with "Muh freedoms" entitlement.

In response to Hexcoder's post.
Which was posted on page 81, 3/27/2020

Then this post, was a few pages back.

I see a lot of people talking about rights in terms of covid19. I very much agree that we should all be cautious about what powers we give our governments in this time. We should be thanking the fact that the federal government, can't just stroll into our communities and take people away. That is the real perspective that should be set alight right now. For example, some states have overstepped their boundaries on protectionism, and it has become tyrannical. I firmly believe those who surrender liberty, for safety. Deserve neither. The same applies to a pandemic. If this shit is going to be consistent, lock-downs will just fuck us in the end. Yes, the real danger is in the health industry. Far as I can tell, its fine. We got this. The reopening will be fine.

BTW, Isoprene liked this video post before... Don't know why they unliked it now that you used it in a quote against me.

So perhaps you are misremembering me saying something, or referring to someone else? These are my only posts in like, the last 10 pages or more.

 

[á´…eparted]

BTW, Isoprene liked this video post before... Don't know why they unliked it now that you used it in a quote against me.

So perhaps you are misremembering me saying something, or referring to someone else? These are my only posts in like, the last 10 pages or more.

That is not the SciShow video I commented on and liked, it was one weeks prior where you linked this video. I can't be arsed to go back and find that exact post, but I commented that I HIGHLY recommend SciShow as a channel because they are very good at explaining complex subject matters in a very accessible manner without losing or warping the details/meaning.

I saw your post you are quoting recently and while I was happy to see that you shared another scishow video, I found your paragraph explaining your thoughts to be awful so I never liked the post.

Indeed, your memory is not accurate or consistent. You are creating the reality you want to exist, not the one that actually does.

 

[Maou]

That is not the SciShow video I commented on and liked, it was one weeks prior where you linked this video. I can't be arsed to go back and find that exact post, but I commented that I HIGHLY recommend SciShow as a channel because they are very good at explaining complex subject matters in a very accessible manner without losing or warping the details/meaning.

I saw your post you are quoting recently and while I was happy to see that you shared another scishow video, I found your paragraph explaining your thoughts to be awful so I never liked the post.

Indeed, your memory is not accurate or consistent. You are creating the reality you want to exist, not the one that actually does.

Oh my bad, I didn't realized I shared two of them. Sorry for suspecting you of unliking it.

I am surprised you havn't blocked me tbh. But thanks for clarifying that I posted two videos, and not just the one. They had a similar title. I do not have the best memory, correct. I am often inebriated as well. The anti-depressants didn't help much either in that regard, they made my memory more fucky that it already was.

 

[Mind Maverick]

What conclusion are you making? What is the point of quoting unrelated posts, and stringing them together? What does the quote "those who surrender liberty for safety, deserve neither liberty or safety" at all have to do with the groups of people you mentioned? If you were reading the context, I was referring to being cautious about awarding the government unlimited power to control the pandemic. As those powers will most likely not be relinquished when this is over with. It was not about taking precautionary measures to protect yourself from the virus. Please explain.

The note I made about "Muh freedoms" was solely to Hexcoder, on the subject of Spring breakers partying reguardless of lockdowns. As American culture is pretty entitled, and rebellious in nature.

If that's what you meant then you definitely did not communicate it clearly because what you said sounds exactly like what she was saying it sounds like. Not only that, but you took a quote from a protester to say something different than what the protester was saying, so of course anyone would interpret it as being the same thing as what the protester said. The protester was implying that being put on lockdown was "forsaking liberty" and then you turned around and said the exact same shit as them.

 

[á´…eparted]

Oh my bad, I didn't realized I shared two of them. Sorry for suspecting you of unliking it.

I am surprised you havn't blocked me tbh. But thanks for clarifying that I posted two videos, and not just the one. They had a similar title. I do not have the best memory, correct. I am often inebriated as well. The anti-depressants didn't help much either in that regard, they made my memory more fucky that it already was.

I haven't written you off because you aren't a cruel person and retain an intact empathy.

I do hope this illustrates to you to you that you can be mislead, and particularly that you can mislead yourself, and that you can very easily see what you want to see, or what you expect to see.

 

[JAVO]

Oh shit.

Testicles may make men more vulnerable to coronavirus: study

 

[Maou]

If that's what you meant then you definitely did not communicate it clearly because what you said sounds exactly like what she was saying it sounds like. Not only that, but you took a quote from a protester to say something different than what the protester was saying, so of course anyone would interpret it as being the same thing as what the protester said. The protester was implying that being put on lockdown was "forsaking liberty" and then you turned around and said the exact same shit as them.

Oh I see what you mean, yeah that was not intentional. I have an issue with thinking several things at once, and posting one thing and saying another at the same time. It is even worse when I have been drinking. I was empathizing with the protester's idea, along with thinking about my own ideas about liberty in the pandemic. I oversimplified it, and didn't even get my point across. Yeah, I am really bad at this.

Sorry [MENTION=4050]ceecee[/MENTION] for being insufferable.

 

[Mind Maverick]

Oh I see what you mean, yeah that was not intentional. I have an issue with thinking several things at once, and posting one thing and saying another at the same time. It is even worse when I have been drinking. I was empathizing with the protester's idea, along with thinking about my own ideas about liberty in the pandemic. I oversimplified it, and didn't even get my point across. Yeah, I am really bad at this.

Sorry [MENTION=4050]ceecee[/MENTION] for being insufferable.

we're all only human.

 

[Jaguar]

‘Go to China if you want communism’: Anti-quarantine protester clashes with people in scrubs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...rantine-protester-clashes-with-people-scrubs/

Images from these incidents have not only stunned those staying at home but also people overseas. Many Britons took to social media Monday to comment on the spreading protests.
Many appeared confused by scenes of people taking to the streets during a period of lockdown and social distancing measures. Some referred to the protests as “crazy,” while others noted, “Only in America.”

 

[laintpe]

TBH the only way this has influenced my life is positively via a decrease in traffic.