Coronavirus

[Virtual ghost]

Hmm, do you mean desire or intention? Right now it is really hard to tell. We are currently starting the very first steps of an exit strategy. So far there is not even a date for restaurants or hotels reopening in Germany. So on the one Hand you have little competition as it's hard to vacation at home when everything is closed. On the other hand even if borders were to legally open up more I don't see many people travelling to a foreign beach when their own beaches are still considered unsafe (psychologically speaking). Another factor is that there is a lot of talk of cutting school summer vacation short. So that would also influence if and how families travel. And then there is economic uncertainty. Frankly, I'd expect a severe drop in visitors to Croatian tourist destinations. For this summer season, at least.

I am actually asking in the name of entire Southern Europe because if tourism isn't really there this summer then that opens a certain can of worms for the whole EU. Croatia at least has breathing room, but the rest of south is in debt over it's head. I mean it was said that this season will probably be bad, or the prices will be so low that locals will jump on the train (but that wouldn't really save the income level).
Here just Germans in the summer are something like 5% of GDP.

 

[Maou]

I see a lot of people talking about rights in terms of covid19. I very much agree that we should all be cautious about what powers we give our governments in this time. We should be thanking the fact that the federal government, can't just stroll into our communities and take people away. That is the real perspective that should be set alight right now. For example, some states have overstepped their boundaries on protectionism, and it has become tyrannical. I firmly believe those who surrender liberty, for safety. Deserve neither. The same applies to a pandemic. If this shit is going to be consistent, lock-downs will just fuck us in the end. Yes, the real danger is in the health industry. Far as I can tell, its fine. We got this. The reopening will be fine.

 

[Jaguar]

Take all the people who want their freedom and put them on a cruise ship for a relaxing vacation. I'm sure they'll be fine.

 

[anticlimatic]

 

[Virtual ghost]

It seems that most of this economy will be wiped out this year.

 

[Mind Maverick]

"People are dying as they avoid ERs due to COVID fears."

This is very similar to what happens when people avoid admitting they're wrong. Refusing to see the truth doesn't make it go away. This is like seeing a killer start to come after you then covering your eyes and saying, "I can't see you, so you're not there."

What the fuck did you think was going to happen?

 

[rav3n]

Here's the difference between one government (Canada) shutting down fast and another (U.S.), dragging its ass behind it, people yelling freedom and saying that people should sacrifice their lives for the economy. The first reported case in Canada was Feb.19th and in the U.S., Jan. 22. While these are different views, Canada reported zero new cases for two days while the U.S. is averaging 30,000+ new cases daily.

Epidemiological summary of COVID-19 cases in Canada - Canada.ca

Cases in U.S. | CDC

 

[Jonny]

I suppose you should blame the United States government, and those in charge of it, for failure to lead then. But more directly to your point, at least in Taiwan and South Korea, the measures they took early on, thanks to a top-notch pandemic response infrastructure, allowed them to stop the spread before it got out of control. Japan is less clear, but might have been a mix of luck and preparedness, though I'm not quite sure.

Coronavirus: COVID-19 infection surge threatens to collapse Japan hospitals

 

[ceecee]

 

[Mind Maverick]

"What do you mean we can't work? Nevermind our lives man, our work is important!"


Please get me out of this country.

 

[Mind Maverick]

So uhhh, does this whole "lets spread corona coz freedom" thing count as a sufficient reason to shoot some people in self-defense?

Or we could just send them all to work the same job and let them kill themselves off.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Curious, does police generally even try to disperse this kinds of gatherings ? (these people are basically a threat to themselves and their families)

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Something that I'm having trouble reconciling is that the same people (on my Fb list) who are posting praise for the protesters and areas that are opening up (like Florida beaches) - and who have been going on about how we shouldn't ruin our financial infrastructure just to save the most vulnerable - are the very same people who go on and on about how "murdering and torturing babies" (abortion) should be illegal. One guy in particular posts an (alleged) ongoing comparison of how many people have died to Covid vs. how many "babies" have died to abortion - inbetween all of his posts about how we need to be more realistic about the value of the lives of the most vulnerable.

I wonder if it's even more exhausting than usual to have so much of one's righteousness invested in polar opposite directions. My guess is that it's only indirectly correlated: the more spastic/less mindful a person is about where they invest their righteousness, the more it's likely to exhaust them. (And I guess, to be more specific: the more mindful a person is, the less often they will be triggered - being easily triggered is the part that makes spastic righteousness exhausting).

 

[ceecee]

Curious, does police generally even try to disperse this kinds of gatherings ? (these people are basically a threat to themselves and their families)

lol no

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

Coronavirus: COVID-19 infection surge threatens to collapse Japan hospitals

Japan's medical system is socialized and there is price fixing of medical treatments. Japan struggles more than US to have enough medical workers due to not being paid well. Their system has been on the brink for a long time. Now it looks like they're in real trouble.

 

[anticlimatic]

The polarized hysteria is beginning to put me to sleep with its familiar white noise buzzing.

Friendly reminder to all concerned for the sake of good mental health:

1) You can't control other people. Thinking you can, or wanting to, is irrational.
2) You can control yourself. This includes things you say. This includes things you say to people whose behavior you are disturbed by.
3) The only way you can influence other people's behavior without self-defeating side effects is persuasion, bribery, or exchange (Newton's third law).

 

[ceecee]

This guy is pretty unassuming looking and then he opens his mouth and you go...wut? Any essential workers here - enjoy.

 

[Mad Hatter]

Japan's medical system is socialized and there is price fixing of medical treatments. Japan struggles more than US to have enough medical workers due to not being paid well. Their system has been on the brink for a long time. Now it looks like they're in real trouble.

The outbreak has highlighted underlying weaknesses in medical care in Japan, which has long been praised for its high quality insurance system and reasonable costs. Apart from a general unwillingness to embrace social distancing, experts fault government incompetence and a widespread shortage of the protective gear and equipment medical workers need to do their jobs

Japan's struggle at the moment has little to do with "socialized" medicine (if that's your term for public healthcare, as opposed to private), but more with downplaying the threat for a long time - not least because the prospect of having to postpone the Olympic games (which they had to eventually).
The Japanese welfare system actually expects relatives to take care of the old and sick to a certain degree, which is of course another problem in an ageing society.

 

[Jaguar]

A New Statistic Reveals Why America’s COVID-19 Numbers Are Flat
Few figures tell you anything useful about how the coronavirus has spread through the U.S. Here’s one that does.

How Bad Is the Coronavirus Outbreak? Here’s a Key Number. - The Atlantic

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

Japan's struggle at the moment has little to do with "socialized" medicine (if that's your term for public healthcare, as opposed to private), but more with downplaying the threat for a long time - not least because the prospect of having to postpone the Olympic games (which they had to eventually).
The Japanese welfare system actually expects relatives to take care of the old and sick to a certain degree, which is of course another problem in an ageing society.

They have long had a shortage of doctors in Japan.