Random Star Wars Thoughts

[Totenkindly]

Yeah it's just a product now. And if people are buying it, why should they work harder?

I just think it's weird how Disney had its golden reemergence, but now all their best story creatives across franchises left in the late 2010s. Most of the new folks have no clue.

 

[The Cat]

Yeah it's just a product now. And if people are buying it, why should they work harder?

I just think it's weird how Disney had its golden reemergence, but now all their best story creatives across franchises left in the late 2010s. Most of the new folks have no clue.

I've had this worry about the entertainment/artistic world for a while now. Too many have gotten away from wanting to create a project, tell a story, or gamble with their franchises. The result has been nothing but copies of copies of copies justified with the cynicsim everything has been done theirs nothing new, lets just keep rehashing whats already worked.

I call it the Multiplicity effect.
It's only a matter of time before it turns into a farce.
I think we're getting to that part where things have turned farcical.
I'm lucky because I enjoy a good farce but I feel for people who do not.​

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Ive come to realize that if you want to understand how Star Wars keeps happening as it does, you gotta look at it from a marketing and merchandising perspective. Whatever the most people want to buy and put on their shelf is what moves the monster. Everything else is just the cost of doing business.

Oh, I'm certainly aware of that. That doesn't mean that I'm not ticked about how they screwed up Obi-Wan Kenobi. I assumed that show was going to be great because it had the right elements, but I couldn't finish it because it was too dumb.

They probably will never get the chance to do another Obi-Wan Kenobi story like that, so they blew the one chance they had.

 

[Totenkindly]

So what they needed to do was explore a different time period and not deal with any Skywalkers or related events.

So they do The Acolyte and immediately it just feels like regular Star Wars just without Skywalkers, with no new ideas lol. I guess I'll say too that the "twins" bit was already the main schtick of Picard Season 1. It's just funny. There's nothing new here really.

I really thought that Skoll and Hati from Ahsoka Season 1 was the most interesting thing they had done [partly because they did not seem to fit in the easy Jedi/Sith dichotomy!], but then they kind of left it sidelined and didn't really clarify what was going on, and then Ray Stevenson died -- about the only other show with such a bad break is Gen V with Chance Perdomo passing away unexpectedly two months ago (although Gen V and The Boys are actually a viable, interesting property in comparison).

Like, I want Star Wars to be great, but I am getting a lot more mileage out of The Boys, Gen V, Shogun, Invincible, Blue-Eyed Samurai, The Legend of Vox Machina, and so on...

 

[The Cat]

Oh, I'm certainly aware of that. That doesn't mean that I'm not ticked about how they screwed up Obi-Wan Kenobi. I assumed that show was going to be great because it had the right elements, but I couldn't finish it because it was too dumb.

They probably will never get the chance to do another Obi-Wan Kenobi story like that, so they blew the one chance they had.

What the prequels taught me is that George Lucas could never give me as good of a story for the prequels as me and my friends who were really into Star Wars could. Disney cant give any sequels or side jobs better than any of the authors and artists who did it before them.

Once upon a time Boba Fett didnt need to be a good guy to be beloved. These days he does. It sure does suck. But it's just business. Now come on, Carmella made some Gobagool, it might not give you the send off for Obi wan you wanted, but it could have been a lot worse, besides you look hungry.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

What the prequels taught me is that George Lucas could never give me as good of a story for the prequels as me and my friends who were really into Star Wars could. Disney cant give any sequels or side jobs better than any of the authors and artists who did it before them.

Once upon a time Boba Fett didnt need to be a good guy to be beloved. These days he does. It sure does suck. But it's just business. Now come on, Carmella made some Gobagool, it might not give you the send off for Obi wan you wanted, but it could have been a lot worse, besides you look hungry.

Gabagool is pretty good.

 

[The Cat]

Gabagool is pretty good.

Hey there he is, there's that stone faced suggestion of the imagination of a smile. I'll heat up some garlic bread. You should check out the end of Obi Wan, the worst that could happen is you find out its not as bad as you were worried. Think of it as one of those 90's low budget action films that didnt get a theatric. Imagine Joe Bob telling you about the making of the series. It'll take the edge off.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Hey there he is, there's that stone faced suggestion of the imagination of a smile. I'll heat up some garlic bread. You should check out the end of Obi Wan, the worst that could happen is you find out its not as bad as you were worried. Think of it as one of those 90's low budget action films that didnt get a theatric. Imagine Joe Bob telling you about the making of the series. It'll take the edge off.

I stopped at episode 2. I liked the production design but didn't care about anything else. I thought the way they handled young Leia was really dumb; she was the exact same person as in the movies, which I couldn't swallow. I wasn't the same person I was at 10 that I was at 18; I'd be surprised if anyone was.

I know there's a Vader fight or two, though.

 

[Totenkindly]

The Vader/Obiwan fight in Episode 3 (?) is just awful -- like laughingly hysterically bad-awful.

The ending fight is decent enough but it doesn't quite mesh with continuity. Like WTF would Obiwan let Vader (who has proven himself to be evil and evil and evil) live? You can now blame all the later deaths of Star Wars and forward on Obiwan. And saying, "Well, he knew there was good in him," I think he might say there is no good in him in this episode + does that still justify letting the Empire murder zillions over decades?

There was actually some sweetness with little Leia later and you get why adult Leia thought Obiwan could save her and the rebellion, but again, it's more like telling a story not because it begs to be told but because it fills in a gap and can be a viable money-making product. I am also tired of Sith and Jedi taking mortal wounds and somehow being fine -- or when a kill shot should be done they just do something conveniently non-lethal while pretending it is momentarily lethal. (Now Obiwan, in The Phantom Menace, actually DOES do a real killshot by cutting Darth Maul in half -- so kudos -- but even THAT apparently is not a kill shot because he continues on in the cartoons with a mechanical lower body, roflmao!) This happens in Ahsoka too, in E1. Do people understand that even THOSE lame injuries (a lightsaber puncture vs a complete body bisection) would in effect be terminal by fusing/breaking up one's digestive tract, destroying vital abdominal organs by cauterizing them, etc?

Talk about "science" fantasy. it's getting even into more fantasy.

 

[The Cat]

The Vader/Obiwan fight in Episode 3 (?) is just awful -- like laughingly hysterically bad-awful.

The ending fight is decent enough but it doesn't quite mesh with continuity. Like WTF would Obiwan let Vader (who has proven himself to be evil and evil and evil) live? You can now blame all the later deaths of Star Wars and forward on Obiwan. And saying, "Well, he knew there was good in him," I think he might say there is no good in him in this episode + does that still justify letting the Empire murder zillions over decades?

There was actually some sweetness with little Leia later and you get why adult Leia thought Obiwan could save her and the rebellion, but again, it's more like telling a story not because it begs to be told but because it fills in a gap and can be a viable money-making product. I am also tired of Sith and Jedi taking mortal wounds and somehow being fine -- or when a kill shot should be done they just do something conveniently non-lethal while pretending it is momentarily lethal. (Now Obiwan, in The Phantom Menace, actually DOES do a real killshot by cutting Darth Maul in half -- so kudos -- but even THAT apparently is not a kill shot because he continues on in the cartoons with a mechanical lower body, roflmao!) This happens in Ahsoka too, in E1. Do people understand that even THOSE lame injuries (a lightsaber puncture vs a complete body bisection) would in effect be terminal by fusing/breaking up one's digestive tract, destroying vital abdominal organs by cauterizing them, etc?

Talk about "science" fantasy. it's getting even into more fantasy.

Believe it or not he showed up in the cartoons because of an issue of Star Wars tales that explains why Owen insists that Obi Wan stay away from young Luke. Because the top half of Darth Maul kidnaps Luke to draw out Obi Wan. the art was kind of interesting because Obiwan is drawn half way between Ewan MacGregor and Alec Guiness.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

The Vader/Obiwan fight in Episode 3 (?) is just awful -- like laughingly hysterically bad-awful.

The ending fight is decent enough but it doesn't quite mesh with continuity. Like WTF would Obiwan let Vader (who has proven himself to be evil and evil and evil) live? You can now blame all the later deaths of Star Wars and forward on Obiwan. And saying, "Well, he knew there was good in him," I think he might say there is no good in him in this episode + does that still justify letting the Empire murder zillions over decades?

There was actually some sweetness with little Leia later and you get why adult Leia thought Obiwan could save her and the rebellion, but again, it's more like telling a story not because it begs to be told but because it fills in a gap and can be a viable money-making product. I am also tired of Sith and Jedi taking mortal wounds and somehow being fine -- or when a kill shot should be done they just do something conveniently non-lethal while pretending it is momentarily lethal. (Now Obiwan, in The Phantom Menace, actually DOES do a real killshot by cutting Darth Maul in half -- so kudos -- but even THAT apparently is not a kill shot because he continues on in the cartoons with a mechanical lower body, roflmao!) This happens in Ahsoka too, in E1. Do people understand that even THOSE lame injuries (a lightsaber puncture vs a complete body bisection) would in effect be terminal by fusing/breaking up one's digestive tract, destroying vital abdominal organs by cauterizing them, etc?

Wouldn't stabbing anywhere on the torso be fatal without immediate medical attention? I don't think we've seen an upper chest stab with a lightsaber, but that would puncture the lungs which you kind of need.

I remember in Episode I when a stab wound proved fatal for Qui-Gon Jinn; but I guess everyone else survives those now.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I had to post this:

 

[Totenkindly]

Wouldn't stabbing anywhere on the torso be fatal without immediate medical attention? I don't think we've seen an upper chest stab with a lightsaber, but that would puncture the lungs which you kind of need.

It depends on what it was done with and exactly where you get stabbed, and how deep. There have been some surprising survivals of multiple stabbings with 4-8" knife blades, whereas then on the other end you get a guy like Steve Irwin who is hit by a stingray stinger in the only place that might have actually killed him.

I would hazard a guess though that a 2" hole entirely through your thorax (so you could see through to the other side) anyway, although it would be cauterized so as to not bleed, would be a bitch to heal from and/or survive, and it's hard to miss any vital organs.

I remember in Episode I when a stab wound proved fatal for Qui-Gon Jinn; but I guess everyone else survives those now.

Yeah, exactly. Now those shots are survived regularly -- although weirdly Qui-Gon's death (chronologically) is in the middle of those survivals.

I guess he died of exhaustion. ("Shut up, Obi-Wan, and let me die in peace.")

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

It depends on what it was done with and exactly where you get stabbed, and how deep. There have been some surprising survivals of multiple stabbings with 4-8" knife blades, whereas then on the other end you get a guy like Steve Irwin who is hit by a stingray stinger in the only place that might have actually killed him.

I would hazard a guess though that a 2" hole entirely through your thorax (so you could see through to the other side) anyway, although it would be cauterized so as to not bleed, would be a bitch to heal from and/or survive, and it's hard to miss any vital organs.



Yeah, exactly. Now those shots are survived regularly -- although weirdly Qui-Gon's death (chronologically) is in the middle of those survivals.

I guess he died of exhaustion. ("Shut up, Obi-Wan, and let me die in peace.")

Does Qui-Gon have a real appearance in Obi-Wan as a Force Ghost with new lines and everything, or is he just repeating dialogue from Episode I?

 

[The Cat]

Does Qui-Gon have a real appearance in Obi-Wan as a Force Ghost with new lines and everything, or is he just repeating dialogue from Episode I?

he has a very particular set of Force Powers

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

he has a very particular set of Force Powers

especially if you happen to be taken.

 

[The Cat]

I do think that Palps had Qui-Gon killed specifically because he was the only Jedi actually paying attention. The only one who still seemed to know what the Jedi were supposed to be to the people. Just a regular working Stiff, the kind of Jedi you could drink a beer with and not have to worry about ending up an object lesson in the Force.

 

[The Cat]

There's no way Anakin falls in a timeline where Qui Gon lives. He's too honest about why things happen as they do.

 

[Totenkindly]

There's no way Anakin falls in a timeline where Qui Gon lives. He's too honest about why things happen as they do.

I agree with that. Qui-Gon is an anchor and independent of the Council. He could have anchored Anakin and provided clarity to Obi-Wan.

Obi-Wan is not a bad mentor but he seemed a bit oblivious and not far enough outside what was happening to see it clearly. Things never should have gotten to the fight on Mustafar.

 

[The Cat]

I agree with that. Qui-Gon is an anchor and independent of the Council. He could have anchored Anakin and provided clarity to Obi-Wan.

Obi-Wan is not a bad mentor but he seemed a bit oblivious and not far enough outside what was happening to see it clearly. Things never should have gotten to the fight on Mustafar.

Qui Gon died before he could teach Obi-wan to have faith in himself as a teacher instead of trying to live up to the legacy of the Master, which Obi wan was always very caught up in what the Jedi Masters had to say about everything. Instead of keeping his mind here and now on the present. Its so ironic that the first bit of advice we see Qui Gon give Obi Wan in ep 1, would have changed everything if he had learned it, or taught it to Anakin.

Which if you read the books Qui Gon and Yoda had conversations....so from a certain point of view Qui-Gon and Yoda let order 66 happen to complete the prophecy and bring balance to the force.

Star Wars is so much cooler if you let it go gray. imo