Random Star Wars Thoughts

[Totenkindly]

It's obvious they rushed it out so they could meet their desired earnings for that quarter. They knew they could put out absolute shit, because they knew people would go see it no matter what.

Pretty much. IMagine if they had just said "this film is shit, and editing on the set daily is making it worse -- let's take our time and do this right."

But they didn't care.

My favorite thing about the video with Jenny Nicholson is how she talks about how much the ending sucks. Not the climax, but the denouement. There are so many things that bothered me about that Tatooine scene and she mentioned all of them. I won't go over all of them, but l've always felt it was sad and depressing even though it was intended to play as triumphant. The message is terrible and confusing; she should have been with her friends; that's really what her family was. Instead, it places too much emphasis on something that's not important (a name), as is the case with so much else in that movie.

It really is. That's a story development issue. Is that a "triumphant ending"? This was all a story pitch that should have been rejected but none of it was.

Jenny's ideas are far more interesting than anything than was in the film. She's actually suggesting real character arcs, instead of stupid checklist points that the film uses but never develops or follows up. THere is no actual development in the film, aside from an unearned moment for Kylo Ren -- so it's not really development but just a stupid flip of plot convenience.

 

[The Cat]

Rise of Skywalker in a lot of ways to me felt like instead of trying to tell one story well, was trying to tell several stories very poorly. It wasnt a movie it was a several hour movie trailer. It sent one message very clearly. We neither understand the franchise, or the fandom, we don't respect our audience enough to deliver them a cogent narrative. We want to alienate the old fans, and replace them with new fans who want star wars to be the cw.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Rise of Skywalker in a lot of ways to me felt like instead of trying to tell one story well, was trying to tell several stories very poorly. It wasnt a movie it was a several hour movie trailer. It sent one message very clearly. We neither understand the franchise, or the fandom, we don't respect our audience enough to deliver them a cogent narrative. We want to alienate the old fans, and replace them with new fans who want star wars to be the cw.

I don't think they sought to alienate anyone. I think they just didn't care. They knew people were going to buy tickets regardless. They wanted the profits and that's what they got.

 

[The Cat]

I don't think they sought to alienate anyone. I think they just didn't care. They knew people were going to buy tickets regardless. They wanted the profits and that's what they got.

Alientate definition 2 relating to the Law:
transfer ownership of (property rights) to another person or group.
"they defended the Masai against attempts to alienate their land"

They've said it before and they'll say it again. They're trying to leave their mark on Star Wars, change the fan base even. Out with the old in with the new, "the force is financial"
They care. You have to care to fuck things up that badly. Its misplaced care. Mishandled care. But they took a lot of it to say what they wanted to say to the fans.

 

[The Cat]

Of COURSE the fans have a right to be unhappy...
With themselves.
Not Kathy.
Anyone but Kathy.
She brought us Gremlins.

Man...people haaaaaaate her.
I'm no fan, but Jeepers Creepers.
Bilbo Baggins keeps giving me the side eye and asking: "Well...not so easy to not pity such a poor wretched creature is it?"

I don't envy her position.
The business politics of entertainment have been changing for the last 20 years. This was always going to be the end of the line as soon as we started seeing scenes set in Burger King. Marketing and Advertising have been changing FAST.
Kathy's job was never to bring quality entertainment to the masses. It was always to make the studios money. I blame the nature of monopolies, the reality is Disney owns entertainment right now, they don't have to actually compete with anyone else. They can just buy them out and produce cheap sub par derivative nonsense. They don't care about alienating their audience, because the scene has become such that they can just market the properties to different audiences, and anyone who complains, can be dismissed as "hateful copium for not being the center of the universe you thought you were." And I mean to be fair, some of it is. There's good money to be made allowing Disney to think of itself as in the moral clear(It doesnt care, but it'll take it if it can get it.) and outrage raises awareness. Negative marketing is definitely being used in Entertainment right now, people will watch just to see, it cant be as bad as people are saying, what is so upsetting about this, etc etc.. (Velma comes to mind, but there are others...)

At the end of the day. Nothing lasts forever...Not your favorites, not any franchise, but just because a thing you used to love and spend all your time with turns into a shambling monster barely recognizable as human, and more likely to try to eat you than hug you...

Doesnt mean you can't still hang out with the right precautions.
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[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Hmm, I watched that video. I was extremely annoyed by that clickbait image, and I was prepared to refute it after watching, and then the topic barely came up.

I will say that it irritated me. Not because I think Disney is committed to making quality entertainment, but because of other reasons. Essentially, I think a large portion of the Star Wars fan base is toxic. Ask Kelly Marie Tran. Ask Jake Lloyd. Ask Ahmed Best. (I don't think they do this for Star Trek.) I have theories about this, should anyone wish to hear them.

My take on the subject of "Does Disney suck or do Star Wars fans suck"? Well, it can be two things!

This might also just be me ranting about being downvoted on Reddit for expressing certain opinions.

 

[The Cat]

Hmm, I watched that video. I was extremely annoyed by that clickbait image, and I was prepared to refute it after watching, and then the topic barely came up.

I will say that it irritated me. Not because I think Disney is committed to making quality entertainment, but because of other reasons. Essentially, I think a large portion of the Star Wars fan base is toxic. Ask Kelly Marie Tran. Ask yJake Lloyd. Ask Ahmed Best. (I don't think they do this for Star Trek.) I have theories about this, should anyone wish to hear them.

My take on the subject of "Does Disney suck or do Star Wars fans suck"? Well, it can be two things!

This might also just be me ranting about being downvoted on Reddit for expressing certain opinions.

Dude FR, the click bait titles have gotten out of control.

Don't post on Reddit. It needs a time out in general.

Disney sucks because they have the money to not suck and refuse to use it towards that end. Star Wars sucks because space is a vacuum.

EVERY Fan base has its hoovers who ruin the disk horse for everyone. But disney has been overly relying on this truth to avoid putting in the work to make quality entertainment. "We can just blame the toxic fan base for any complaints about what we do. And that I do think sucks. There are plenty of fandoms with a sucky base, but they still put in the effort to try to make quality. Professional Wrestling and Monster Trucks/Demolition Derby comes to mind. Though any fan who brings beer to an event and shares it, is a saint. I love Star Wars. I love shitty Star Wars. Which is what allows me to continue to love Star Wars. I go in expecting a bunch of derivative bad at naming characters bullshit based on Japanese Shogun stories and I'm always golden. Its still fun when you think of it in terms of Harrison Ford telling Mark Hammel: "It aint that kind of movie kid." I'm honestly waiting for the day when MST3K finally picks up the Disneyverse of Star Wars. My biggest beef with the new ones, is they didnt give Rey AND Finn Jedi billing. That Force Sensetives are treated as though they're so super rare, when they should be "genetically"(midichlorians) fairly common.

But shit fire, man, don't leave us in suspense: Hit us with those fan theories broseph! They can't be worse than any of the others. I think a lot of people are up in arms about "The force is female" I say fuck that. Let it be female. Make an all girl star wars product, give them redicuolous ass names and over simplify the morality. My favorite SW property are the Tales From series, and all those are just short stories about background characters, in the Mos Eisley Cantina, the Bounty Hunter scen from Empire, and Tales from Jabba's Palace. My beef with Star Wars and this utlimately comes down to all of it:

An entire Galaxy across infinite time, and we get nothing that doesnt directly tie into the first three movies, not for story sake, but just to try to skim all the work off your nostalgia instead of delivering ANYTHING tangible to the actual Space Opera. its supposed to be. I feel like Im watching Jerry Springer: The Skywalker Chronicles, with Special guest host Rikki Lake and early 80's Oprah.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Dude FR, the click bait titles have gotten out of control.

Don't post on Reddit. It needs a time out in general.

Disney sucks because they have the money to not suck and refuse to use it towards that end. Star Wars sucks because space is a vacuum.

EVERY Fan base has its hoovers who ruin the disk horse for everyone. But disney has been overly relying on this truth to avoid putting in the work to make quality entertainment. "We can just blame the toxic fan base for any complaints about what we do. And that I do think sucks. There are plenty of fandoms with a sucky base, but they still put in the effort to try to make quality. Professional Wrestling and Monster Trucks/Demolition Derby comes to mind. Though any fan who brings beer to an event and shares it, is a saint. I love Star Wars. I love shitty Star Wars. Which is what allows me to continue to love Star Wars. I go in expecting a bunch of derivative bad at naming characters bullshit based on Japanese Shogun stories and I'm always golden. Its still fun when you think of it in terms of Harrison Ford telling Mark Hammel: "It aint that kind of movie kid." I'm honestly waiting for the day when MST3K finally picks up the Disneyverse of Star Wars. My biggest beef with the new ones, is they didnt give Rey AND Finn Jedi billing. That Force Sensetives are treated as though they're so super rare, when they should be "genetically"(midichlorians) fairly common.

I liked the X-wing books, especially the ones by Aaron Allston. Those mostly used a minor character as a vehicle for introducing all these new characters. One of the books did feature Han Solo rather prominently, but it made sense, and it still gave everyone else plenty of chances to shine.

I think I would like a Star Wars version of Deadpool, referencing and riffing on stuff from the EU, the ST, the prequels, and acknowledging all the weird aspects. I don't know how that would work, though; there's no precedent for that. I imagine it couldn't be worse than that Skeleton Key show they're making.

Lots of people other than white males like Star Wars; I have known plenty of examples.

I think both Rey and Finn should have been Jedi, but then they'd have to tell an interesting new story. That motivated me in that story I started on. My idea would be that they would be friends, and then one of them would turn to the dark side. I think I wanted to do what should have been the main storyline of the prequels. The really tricky part would be figuring out what turning to dark side means, because the fourth or third part would involve bringing the other one back to the light, without redemption equals death, because I want a happy ending. If I wanted to go full moral ambiguity, he could kill Luke's wife (yes, you-know-who). That might be too hard to come back from, but what isn't too hard to come back from. I wouldn't want "the dark side" to just be joining the wrong chatrooms or having an internet troll phase or something like that.

 

[The Cat]

I liked the X-wing books, especially the ones by Aaron Allston. Those mostly used a minor character as a vehicle for introducing all these new characters. One of the books did feature Han Solo rather prominently, but it made sense, and it still gave everyone else plenty of chances to shine.

I think I would like a Star Wars version of Deadpool, referencing and riffing on stuff from the EU, the ST, the prequels, and acknowledging all the weird aspects. I don't know how that would work, though; there's no precedent for that. I imagine it couldn't be worse than that Skeleton Key show they're making.

Lots of people other than white males like Star Wars; I have known plenty of examples.

I think both Rey and Finn should have been Jedi, but then they'd have to tell an interesting new story. That motivated me in that story I started on. My idea would be that they would be friends, and then one of them would turn to the dark side. I think I wanted to do what should have been the main storyline of the prequels. The really tricky part would be figuring out what turning to dark side means, because the fourth or third part would involve bringing the other one back to the light, without redemption equals death, because I want a happy ending. If I wanted to go full moral ambiguity, he could kill Luke's wife (yes, you-know-who). That might be too hard to come back from, but what isn't too hard to come back from. I wouldn't want "the dark side" to just be joining the wrong chatrooms or having an internet troll phase or something like that.

I don't watch a lot of the Critical Drinker, as he seems to get into his cups then all the problems stem from Kathy and the Activists(Which I think would be a sweet folk rock band name) So it doesnt hold much appeal to me in general, I just posted in there as it was referenced. Growing up I didnt have a lot of white friends into Star Wars But I had a lot of friends into Star Wars so I grew up hearing fan theories from diverse sources. So a lot of the culture war discourse is lost on me because i just dont see it as the problem. The problem is there is a profitable way to do that for everyone. It comes across as manufactured outrage to manufacture consent. Kill conversation before it even comes up with these talking points that are designed to piss people off because outrage culture spends money same as loyal fans.

Saturate the market with that kind of gimmick and people are gonna see what its supposed to be distracting them from and they realize...that wasnt a finished movie they tricked me into watching.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I don't watch a lot of the Critical Drinker, as he seems to get into his cups then all the problems stem from Kathy and the Activists(Which I think would be a sweet folk rock band name) So it doesnt hold much appeal to me in general, I just posted in there as it was referenced. Growing up I didnt have a lot of white friends into Star Wars But I had a lot of friends into Star Wars so I grew up hearing fan theories from diverse sources. So a lot of the culture war discourse is lost on me because i just dont see it as the problem. The problem is there is a profitable way to do that for everyone. It comes across as manufactured outrage to manufacture consent. Kill conversation before it even comes up with these talking points that are designed to piss people off because outrage culture spends money same as loyal fans.

Saturate the market with that kind of gimmick and people are gonna see what its supposed to be distracting them from and they realize...that wasnt a finished movie they tricked me into watching.

Right, well, growing up, one year I went to a camp organized by the local science museum. There were Asian twins there who were obsessed with Star Wars. I don't just mean the movies, they had stuffed Ewoks and knew all kinds of EU lore from the books, books that I haven't even read.

I don't know where they are today, but I wonder what they thought of everything surrounding the character of Rose Tico. If I had to guess, I would imagine that at first they were excited to finally get some representation, and they could not have been happy with what happened afterwards.

One problem with that last movie was all the pandering to fans, which is why we got stuff like Rose effectively being written out of the movie. I might be less angry at the fanbase if it wasn't the case that there is in fact a kind of collaboration that occurs with the storytellers and filmmakers. The filmmakers it seems are actually taking fan input, the only problem is that most of it sucks, which is why you shouldn't let angry nerds on the internet who want to be 11 again play a role in writing your movie.

I guess I'd like to be 11 again, too, but that's not happening.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Totenkindly]

I think it's hilarious that no one calls Twitter "X" -- they still call it "Twitter now known as X" or "X formerly Twitter." They deadname that biatch 100% of the time. Way to go with that rebrand, Elon Musk.

Some dipshit was referring to a recent WoW xmog change (where they color-coordinated wrappings with the necklace that you could buy) to a DEI change on the message board. It was amusing to watch them get completely torn to pieces by people from a variety of perspectives for assuming the change was political. But it's still concerning to see someone just label stuff as DEI, when they don't even really grasp what DEI is -- all these nuts seduced by the talking heads.

 

[The Cat]

I think it's hilarious that no one calls Twitter "X" -- they still call it "Twitter now known as X" or "X formerly Twitter." They deadname that biatch 100% of the time. Way to go with that rebrand, Elon Musk.

Some dipshit was referring to a recent WoW xmog change (where they color-coordinated wrappings with the necklace that you could buy) to a DEI change on the message board. It was amusing to watch them get completely torn to pieces by people from a variety of perspectives for assuming the change was political. But it's still concerning to see someone just label stuff as DEI, when they don't even really grasp what DEI is -- all these nuts seduced by the talking heads.

I'm pretty sure Musk's Folly would have taken off faster or at all more than X.

 

[Totenkindly]

Dear god, no!!! The rebels are winning!

‘The Acolyte’ Canceled: No Season 2 For Disney+’s ‘Star Wars’ Series

The story of The Acolyte will not continue, with LucasFilm opting not to proceed with Season 2 of the Star Wars offshoot starring Amandla Stenberg.

deadline.com

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Dear god, no!!! The rebels are winning!

‘The Acolyte’ Canceled: No Season 2 For Disney+’s ‘Star Wars’ Series

The story of The Acolyte will not continue, with LucasFilm opting not to proceed with Season 2 of the Star Wars offshoot starring Amandla Stenberg.

deadline.com

I just shrugged at this.

 

[Totenkindly]

I just shrugged at this.

Honestly, I'm glad it's over because it was a mess. It had a few good ideas but the execution was mostly rotten.

I just feel residually bad since the star (who played the twins) played Rue in The Hunger Games -- so some of that goodwill carries over. And she wasn't bad, it was the story development and writing.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Honestly, I'm glad it's over because it was a mess. It had a few good ideas but the execution was mostly rotten.

I just feel residually bad since the star (who played the twins) played Rue in The Hunger Games -- so some of that goodwill carries over. And she wasn't bad, it was the story development and writing.

It's like I said. For me, it was the middle of the pack. If there was another season, I'd probably watch it, but I'm not upset that there isn't. It's not as good as Andor or the early seasons of the Mandalorian that were actually about the Mandalorian. My ranking is as follows.

1. Andor
2. Mandalorian (I'd rate the first two seasons of this above Andor, as they had more heart and mystique to them, but Season 3 is kind of bleh despite having lots of stuff 11 year old me would expect to enjoy.)
3. The Acolyte
4. Ahsoka. I didn't finish this but not because I hated anything in it, I just had other things capture my attention. The problem with this show is that it was 95% fan service without a compelling enough story to make any of it work.
5. The Book of Boba Fett. It doesn't star Boba Fett, or even who they are pretending is Boba Fett for part of it. I feel bad for Temura Morrison because he actually did a great job in the prequels, and this was his time in the spotlight. Unfortunately the writing sucked.
6. Kenobi. I stopped two episodes in, once I realize this show was going to be about Kenobi protecting an annoyingly-written version of Princess Leia. I don't buy that 10 year old Leia is practically the same person as 18 year old Leia (even Lucas realized that about his characters when writing his prequels). It's so lazy, too. We're supposed to chuckle and find it cute, but it's not cute, it's stupid. The other major sin is that they got Ewan McGregor back, who has had a pretty good career since the prequels, for this garbage. Even if Ewan's schedules and interests would hypothetically line up again, he would probably be too old for something like this to make sense. This was their one shot, and it was garbage.

I think that's it for the live action stuff.

Oh, and I hate Skeleton Key already and have zero interest in it; I do not want to watch "what if Star Wars had suburbs and it was kind of like E.T." That's the dumbest idea for a Star War thing possible. E.T.'s canon already, anyway. He's a Jedi and that's how he can levitate things.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

Just give me Andor. I think Mando is lost. I have no hope for the rest.
Andor is top tier media.

 

[The Cat]

Oh, and I hate Skeleton Key already and have zero interest in it; I do not want to watch "what if Star Wars had suburbs and it was kind of like E.T." That's the dumbest idea for a Star War thing possible.

It's like you don't even want skittles themed swoop bikes. How inappropriate.