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Palps keeps them and shows them to his sexual conquests of course. Duh.
Its not rocket science, a mystery of the force or necessitating a video.
But god save me I'll listen to an over thought fan theory till the cows come into view on the distant horizon, well before they come home, but longer than I would for some other things.​
 

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Rogue Squadron, was the book series, Wraith Squadron is the fifth book of the series
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I never thought they looked like horses
But I guess if you've had enough spice and squint your eyes...​
 
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Runt wasn't a Bothan but a different species. He was introduced in Wraith Squadron.
 

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The flaring nostrils, the mouthline and the ears are rather horsey. But no elongated snout and the eyes are too centered.

In any event, I don't know what the alien or the horse in these photos is thinking, but I would guess it's exactly the same thing. :)
 
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The flaring nostrils, the mouthline and the ears are rather horsey. But no elongated snout and the eyes are too centered.

In any event, I don't know what the alien or the horse in these photos is thinking, but I would guess it's exactly the same thing. :)
I feel like they're both thinking about how they're going to mess me up.
 

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Watched the finale (S1E8) to The Acolyte.

It was about 40 minutes long. There's a few good things in it (the show occasionally has a Good Idea), but a lot of other things are typically mishandled or not executed well. And what's really sad is that it seemed to end in an interesting and strong way -- and then they screwed it up by throwing in a shitty coy pseudo-cameo in the last five seconds. Disney, can you please stop with the gimmicks? Basically the sensibilities that consider that "good storytelling" is one of the bigger problems of this show and most Disney shows.




I think one of my big gripes is that they don't know how to develop a story. There are some interesting ideas, but essentially I found myself watching scenes and wondering what each of the characters actually wanted. It was never really clear. Sometimes it seemed to change on a dime, based on plot contrivance. And then when you get to the "big" scenes, it makes it hard to feel what is supposed to happen and know whether it is fulfilling the expectation set up by the story or doing some kind of subversive counterpoint. This is ineffective storytelling.
 
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Watched the finale (S1E8) to The Acolyte.

It was about 40 minutes long. There's a few good things in it (the show occasionally has a Good Idea), but a lot of other things are typically mishandled or not executed well. And what's really sad is that it seemed to end in an interesting and strong way -- and then they screwed it up by throwing in a shitty coy pseudo-cameo in the last five seconds. Disney, can you please stop with the gimmicks? Basically the sensibilities that consider that "good storytelling" is one of the bigger problems of this show and most Disney shows.




I think one of my big gripes is that they don't know how to develop a story. There are some interesting ideas, but essentially I found myself watching scenes and wondering what each of the characters actually wanted. It was never really clear. Sometimes it seemed to change on a dime, based on plot contrivance. And then when you get to the "big" scenes, it makes it hard to feel what is supposed to happen and know whether it is fulfilling the expectation set up by the story or doing some kind of subversive counterpoint. This is ineffective storytelling.

Almost all they have is gimmicks because none of the writers know how to develop a story and AI can't. Its a trend Ive been noticing everywhere for a while. It's like a progressive winnowing of style and elements of the craft.
 
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I liked episode 6, mainly because of the scenes with Qimir. I thought he made an excellent pitch for the dark side that sounded more compelling than the Jedi. I think the idea of being motivated by passion and self mastery, instead of trying to stay detached as the Jedi do, is compelling. The only problem is what the Sitth end up doing with that. We saw how quickly it was for Qimir to switch to wanting to kill his apprentice once he decided she was too weak.

I also think they're trying to establish a parallel with Last Jedi with this ocean planet (because Qimir is the last of the Sith). There are even porg-like creatures (well, elephant-like porg-like creatures). I wish I could go chuck it away and live on some island on an ocean planet.

Also, for one brief shining moment, I thought I was going to see a butt in Star Wars.
 
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Jedi were never supposed to be detached, and that's a big part of their problem.
I remember being frustrated in SWTOR when one of the early quests for the Guardian and Sentinel Jedi (?) was to spy on a padawan who might be having a "love affair" with another. If you rat them out and/or break them up, you got Light Side points. If you accept the bribe they offer, don't rat on them to the Masters, and/or you don't try to break them up, you get Dark Side points.

A lot of people bitch about how awful that quest is.
 

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I remember being frustrated in SWTOR when one of the early quests for the Guardian and Sentinel Jedi (?) was to spy on a padawan who might be having a "love affair" with another. If you rat them out and/or break them up, you got Light Side points. If you accept the bribe they offer, don't rat on them to the Masters, and/or you don't try to break them up, you get Dark Side points.

A lot of people bitch about how awful that quest is.
it really is. It takes something that should have depth and complexity enough to literally move objects through space, and percieve time beyond space, and turn it into red vs blue.
"You ever wonder why we're here?" said one random jedi/sith to another.
 
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Jedi were never supposed to be detached, and that's a big part of their problem.
Yes, but attachment can actually be a problem. I'm going to leave out Episode III and just point out that fear of losing something or someone leads people to doing all kinds of bad things in the real world.

The Jedi are supposed to be based on a Buddhist worldview where metta (loving-kindness, which isn't detached in the way Jedi in later media are often portrayed) is encouraged. What is discouraged is desire, which could lead to grasping or other problems, which lead to suffering. I don't think this is universally true, but it's not complete bullshit. It's based on something. (Both the writer and director of ESB, which elaborates on the Force, had a strong interest in this stuff.)

Personally, I came to the conclusion that desire is actually important. Desire is what motivates most people, including me. If one cannot avoid the bad, I think it is still worthwhile to pursue it. It doesn't seem foolish to me to take the good with the bad. As long as the bad isn't too bad and you don't wind up slaying younglings, it seems like something manageable.

The Jedi should be a mix between samurai and Buddhist monks, really. Maybe you've already cottoned on to this.

(I'm not sure how Buddhist monks feel about marriage/relationships, for what it's worth.)
 
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Yes, but attachment can actually be a problem. I'm going to leave out Episode III and just point out that fear of losing something or someone leads people to doing all kinds of bad things in the real world.

The Jedi are supposed to be based on a Buddhist worldview where metta (loving-kindness, which isn't detached in the way Jedi in later media are often portrayed) is encouraged. What is discouraged is desire, which could lead to grasping or other problems, which lead to suffering. I don't think this is universally true, but it's not complete bullshit. It's based on something. (Both the writer and director of ESB, which elaborates on the Force, had a strong interest in this stuff.)

Personally, I came to the conclusion that desire is actually important. Desire is what motivates most people, including me. If one cannot avoid the bad, I think it is still worthwhile to pursue it. It doesn't seem foolish to me to take the good with the bad. As long as the bad isn't too bad and you don't wind up slaying younglings, it seems like something manageable.

The Jedi should be a mix between samurai and Buddhist monks, really. Maybe you've already cottoned on to this.
I think a lot of these philosophies try to boil things down too far, so then they become simplistic and untenable -- just like the popular representation of the Jedi as having no attachments. But if you have no attachments, then what do you care about? Will you actually help people? Does anyone matter to you? Are there things that can be learned because (and not in spite) of attachment? What motivates you? Fearing losing control, one avoids caring altogether.

It reminds me of Donaldson's "Land" and the Oath of Peace.

“Do not hurt where holding is enough;
Do not wound where hurting is enough;
Do not maim where wounding is enough;
and kill not where maiming is enough;
The greatest warrior is he who does not need to kill”

This isn't a bad thing, in many ways it is admirable.

However, there is a moment of catharsis for the High Lord late in the first trilogy where he realizes the Oath of Peace is why they cannot defeat evil, in a sense. Because Power is Power, and Power is a two-edged sword. It will always be able to harm and heal. Because of the Oath, others of them with power (on the side of good) basically hamstrung themselves, fearing to use power -- but there are some evils that must be expunged and you must pour everything you have into that battle in order to defeat evil rather than automatically restraining yourself. It's why they were losing so often.

It's a little like what we were talking about in the political thread about "going high vs going low." Don't debase yourself but sometimes these battles have to be fought without quarter and effectively, with everything one can give.

the Jedi are sometimes written as if they fear caring emotionally so much (fearing it leads into darkness) that they expunge compassion. Nothing in life is that simple, and I think to fight for things that you think matter, you have to be willing to take risks and feel love and let it motivate you. Humans have positive and dark emotions, it's just how we are. Instead of focusing on the emotion, focus on what you are doing with them.
 
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I think a lot of these philosophies try to boil things down too far, so then they become simplistic and untenable -- just like the popular representation of the Jedi as having no attachments. But if you have no attachments, then what do you care about? Will you actually help people? Does anyone matter to you? Are there things that can be learned because (and not in spite) of attachment? What motivates you? Fearing losing control, one avoids caring altogether.

These were some of the questions I was wondering about. If you feel attached to nothing, if you desire nothing, then why do anything? Why continue to exist?

You can learn things because of attachment, like why you should learn to live and work as part of a group.
It reminds me of Donaldson's "Land" and the Oath of Peace.

“Do not hurt where holding is enough;
Do not wound where hurting is enough;
Do not maim where wounding is enough;
and kill not where maiming is enough;
The greatest warrior is he who does not need to kill”

This isn't a bad thing, in many ways it is admirable.

However, there is a moment of catharsis for the High Lord late in the first trilogy where he realizes the Oath of Peace is why they cannot defeat evil, in a sense. Because Power is Power, and Power is a two-edged sword. It will always be able to harm and heal. Because of the Oath, others of them with power (on the side of good) basically hamstrung themselves, fearing to use power -- but there are some evils that must be expunged and you must pour everything you have into that battle in order to defeat evil rather than automatically restraining yourself. It's why they were losing so often.
What book is this? My interest is piqued. Perhaps I will try and force it on my bookclub. If this is not successful, I think I would read it regardless.
It's a little like what we were talking about in the political thread about "going high vs going low." Don't debase yourself but sometimes these battles have to be fought without quarter and effectively, with everything one can give.
Right. Unfortunately, you cannot always help others learn this lesson.
the Jedi are sometimes written as if they fear caring emotionally so much (fearing it leads into darkness) that they expunge compassion. Nothing in life is that simple, and I think to fight for things that you think matter, you have to be willing to take risks and feel love and let it motivate you. Humans have positive and dark emotions, it's just how we are. Instead of focusing on the emotion, focus on what you are doing with them.
Emotions are there whether we would like them to be or not. Ignore them at your own peril, I would say.
 

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Yes, but attachment can actually be a problem. I'm going to leave out Episode III and just point out that fear of losing something or someone leads people to doing all kinds of bad things in the real world.

The Jedi are supposed to be based on a Buddhist worldview where metta (loving-kindness, which isn't detached in the way Jedi in later media are often portrayed) is encouraged. What is discouraged is desire, which could lead to grasping or other problems, which lead to suffering. I don't think this is universally true, but it's not complete bullshit. It's based on something. (Both the writer and director of ESB, which elaborates on the Force, had a strong interest in this stuff.)

Personally, I came to the conclusion that desire is actually important. Desire is what motivates most people, including me. If one cannot avoid the bad, I think it is still worthwhile to pursue it. It doesn't seem foolish to me to take the good with the bad. As long as the bad isn't too bad and you don't wind up slaying younglings, it seems like something manageable.

The Jedi should be a mix between samurai and Buddhist monks, really. Maybe you've already cottoned on to this.

(I'm not sure how Buddhist monks feel about marriage/relationships, for what it's worth.)
Exactly. Ignore or deny, or supress at your peril. Brilliant take man! Spot on.

Im leaving Episodes 1-3 out entirely(they did a lot of dumb shit there trying to trivialize the force into a simple thing instead of a Mystical Thing) because you can't (imo) gage an organization based on how it was in its decay and decimation. By that time, the Jedi had lost their focus on their oath and turned inward. Attachment is no more a problem cosmically than no attachment. The Jedi USED to know that. Attachment was how they defeated the original Sith. Attachment is how they pushed every incarnation of the Sith back until Darth Bane instituted the damned rule of two. It was attachment that brought Kenobi to Skywalker in Episode 4, it was Attachment that led to Solo(a force sensetive) staying with the rebels. It was Attachment that turned Vader against the Emperor. Attachment that has essentially been the glue(pardon the pun) thats held the galaxy together. "The force surrounds us, binds us penetrates us." The Force is a manifestation of attachment.

Regarding Desire. Nothing wrong with it at all. Nothing inherently darkside. Reckless Ambition, Selfish Desire, Sinister Attatchment, you have to literally ad a negative to turn it from a positive. The Jedi have been lost for a few hundred years by the time ep 1 came around. Jinn himself was the last advocate of the Living Force, which encourages all those "dangerous" humanizing words like attachment and desire.

Jedi are like any order of Preistly Knights. They need to be able to get married, or the absence of choice will lead to the path of fear or pain. (which it did for centuries.) Thus by the time episode 1 rolls around the Jedi are essentially mercenaries and bounty hunters for the Republic.

The thing that never made sense to me, and I figure its only there because Star Wars cant risk being more complex than over simplified black and white incompetently good and cartoonishly evil...Palps would have rebuilt the "Jedi Order" after Order 66 and kept bringing force sensitives and between Vader and Mara Jade these low key Dark Jedi would have been the Special Forces of the Empire.
 
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