Coronavirus

[FemMecha]

Sounds like England is kinda giving up. I wonder if the U.S. is next.

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[ceecee]

Sounds like England is kinda giving up. I wonder if the U.S. is next.

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Many states have already given up/never cared to begin with.

 

[FemMecha]

Does anyone know how to find that article about high percentages of people with anxiety disorders dying of COVID-19? I've watched some videos on it and someone posted it here, but there is a point that is important to me to address, so I will continue to look for the link.

To whatever extent it is verified that a large number of people hospitalized and dying of COVID-19 have anxiety disorders, I want to point out that there would be by necessity a significant overlap with the 96% unvaccinated that are hospitalized. There has been a linguistic framing of anxiety = precautions which is a misstep. There is also a significant anxiety issue for people afraid to take the vaccine, distrustful of authority, and denying a global pandemic.

What makes a condition a disorder is when it is maladaptive. Anxiety becomes maladaptive when it inhibits survival, when it is subjugated to the subconscious and instead manifests as projection onto others. I propose here that the correlation is not simply higher anxiety = increased precautions, but that higher anxiety can also manifest in the inability to process reality, and it can manifest by focusing anxiety on the vaccine in place of the disease.

People have been using that finding to "prove" that taking precautions will kill you, but it actually proves the opposite. It strongly suggests that the inability to process the reality of this situation because of maladaptive anxiety has a highly destructive capacity.

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[Virtual ghost]

Sounds like England is kinda giving up. I wonder if the U.S. is next.

[video=youtube;JhRb5hnTseU]

I will dare to be quite controversial here.


This is almost stereotypical example of western mind that has hit the wall and has no idea what to do next. He tried all the variables and combinations and there is just no solution. While in reality he is simply blindsided with his mindset and values. He seem to believe that the solution to the problem is medical and now after this whole saga it is becoming obvious that the logic isn't really giving desired results. As I was saying from the start: medicine should only be support and the real tool for this is law enforcement and government doing the spending on right way. So instead of wasting trillions upon trillions on this crisis you just have to give all people the money for decent living that will cover about one month and then close everything except the most basic public services and perhaps some TV entertainment. While everyone else needs to just stay where they are without any exceptions and economy just as in sports should be in time out, the weather doesn't allow it and the game is paused until further notice, no exceptions. Therefore everyone should use the money they were given to prepare and once closing starts there will be no transactions and no one can charge them. While law enforcement makes sure everyone stays home. What is because the virus in order to survive needs to spread, since people are either getting over it or die. Therefore if you disable that and there is no physical path the virus will start to die out fairly quickly. A number of countries have had success of doing this, the only trick is that after that you need to completely close your borders for travel and open them only towards others that have done just the same (what many of those countries didn't do). Since this further requires a step away from the market mindset.



To be completely honest there is a fair part of me that truly believes that China gave you this "puzzle" exactly because they knew you will not be able to solve it. Since all of the right answers go pretty much directly against what a typical English speaking person believes to be the right things. Pretty much like the dude in linked video, which obviously believed that a product (vaccine) can solve this problem. What then passed into western media, that the vaccine is the only way out. What as you see is becoming more and more obviously questionable claim. However people believed in that concept since they are used that you solve problems by buying stuff and services. Plus more serious approaches seem to them as simply too intrusive into their lives. Even if this is evidently what they are getting from the virus by letting it wonder around. The disease itself, the masks, the certificates, collapse of businesses since people don't want to go out and spend, medical bills ... etc. Not to mention that letting this thing mutate for years and taking the vaccine every 9 months probably isn't sustainable lifestyle on the long run. Therefore this really is the devilish trap, either you learn how to overrun your values our your life will go to hell. The perfect tool to knock out your global competitors.

 

[FemMecha]

@Virtual ghost
I consider a lot of what you say, but will note that this guy in the video is only reading a report. He isn't expressing his opinion. It is the British government, not the video guy, to whom the details of your post refers.

I have considered how this approach is the most effective strategy to destroy the West. Also stirring everyone up with notions of freedom to electively get sick and die and break the medical systems adds to its effectiveness.

 

[highlander]

I will dare to be quite controversial here.

So instead of wasting trillions upon trillions on this crisis you just have to give all people the money for decent living that will cover about one month and then close everything except the most basic public services and perhaps some TV entertainment. While everyone else needs to just stay where they are without any exceptions and economy just as in sports should be in time out, the weather doesn't allow it and the game is paused until further notice, no exceptions. Therefore everyone should use the money they were given to prepare and once closing starts there will be no transactions and no one can charge them. While law enforcement makes sure everyone stays home. What is because the virus in order to survive needs to spread, since people are either getting over it or die. Therefore if you disable that and there is no physical path the virus will start to die out fairly quickly. A number of countries have had success of doing this, the only trick is that after that you need to completely close your borders for travel and open them only towards others that have done just the same (what many of those countries didn't do). Since this further requires a step away from the market mindset.

That's impossible though because every single country in the world would need to do that. Even if it were logistically possible, which it is not, the global economy would go into a tailspin and we'd have another great depression.

 

[Virtual ghost]

@Virtual ghost
I consider a lot of what you say, but will note that this guy in the video is only reading a report. He isn't expressing his opinion. It is the British government, not the video guy, to whom the details of your post refers.

I have considered how this approach is the most effective strategy to destroy the West. Also stirring everyone up with notions of freedom to electively get sick and die and break the medical systems adds to its effectiveness.

True, but he seem to kinda agree with the conclusions. Therefore he seems "unsatisfied" with the whole situation since he sees how the things are going and that conclusions aren't unfounded. Because he seems to be in the same box: the solution is purely medical.

 

[Virtual ghost]

That's impossible though because every single country in the world would need to do that. Even if it were logistically possible, which it is not, the global economy would go into a tailspin and we'd have another great depression.

Well, you already have great depression out there in the field, that will probably only deepen. Especially once the governments run out of money and options. Plus economy can't go bust over a month of total freeze. Since freeze means that no one is losing or gaining money. You can't lose a game in halftime or time out. The point is that economic time is frozen. So the last minute before stop is the the minute that borders the first minute of opening. You just have to make sure that people have enough to buy enough stuff to go through this month. 3 months would be a problem but month should be doable with good preparation. Plus this doesn't require that much money when you consider how much of it is being thrown at this crisis without a genuine plan.


Plus you don't need to do this in just about every country at exact same time, for start it would be enough just to save the first world and there this could work if some people can get open minded enough. Therefore once you have that safe you can start cleaning world country by country and give support where needed. The only vital thing is that it is impossible to free travel from infected countries to those that are cleaned up.



Here are some graphs of cases. They all start the same, first cases show up and then there is massive closure that returns the number back to zero. However since not enough countries went far enough they didn't have the same result. So countries that did it right were a minority and they had to open to the world since they can't stay fully isolated for years. What got them re-infected and now we are where we are.


Worldometer Austria

Worldometer New Zealand

Worldometer Taiwan

Worldometer Belgium

Worldometer Ireland

Worldometer Slovakia

Worldometer Japan

Etc.




I admit that this isn't a trivial problem to solve but I don't see much in meaningful alternatives.

 

[Vendrah]

Does anyone know how to find that article about high percentages of people with anxiety disorders dying of COVID-19? I've watched some videos on it and someone posted it here, but there is a point that is important to me to address, so I will continue to look for the link.

To whatever extent it is verified that a large number of people hospitalized and dying of COVID-19 have anxiety disorders, I want to point out that there would be by necessity a significant overlap with the 96% unvaccinated that are hospitalized. There has been a linguistic framing of anxiety = precautions which is a misstep. There is also a significant anxiety issue for people afraid to take the vaccine, distrustful of authority, and denying a global pandemic.

What makes a condition a disorder is when it is maladaptive. Anxiety becomes maladaptive when it inhibits survival, when it is subjugated to the subconscious and instead manifests as projection onto others. I propose here that the correlation is not simply higher anxiety = increased precautions, but that higher anxiety can also manifest in the inability to process reality, and it can manifest by focusing anxiety on the vaccine in place of the disease.

People have been using that finding to "prove" that taking precautions will kill you, but it actually proves the opposite. It strongly suggests that the inability to process the reality of this situation because of maladaptive anxiety has a highly destructive capacity.

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Well, I've made 2 times now the count on the big five for COVID deaths and big five/MBTI, including Big Five facets. I've basically correlated with COVID deaths, I think cases as well not sure because there is too much unreported cases to take that seriously.

Facet anxiety is slightly negatively correlated with deaths per million. Vulnerability is somewhat negative correlated with deaths per million, but its the facet with the most negative correlation. That basically means that countries that were more anxious and higher on big five vulnerability a few years before COVID had less deaths than those who were less anxious and less vulnerable. Vulnerability and Anxiety are different constructs, vulnerability has "I panick easily" on the keys. So basically this contradicts on an international level what you are observing here - however this is old, the impact of who wants the vaccines or not doesn't count here.

However, the story on the types is different. There is my private blogs X Types diary, on there both types Undercontroller and Overcontroller (both theoretical and statistical combined) measured by MBTI/Ennea counts (not directly) are the most correlated with COVID deaths per million, actually they are more correlated than any specific MBTI/Ennea from the 50-60 most common combos (I do have estimates for that as well) (in general, X Types correlate more with things because they are more meaningful statistically). Yet these two types are opposites of each on their theoretical versions. Overcontroller is related with anxiety (you have to go to the diary and look there for further details), so, although anxiety as the whole facet is negatively related with the Big Five deaths, there is one data science type that has anxiety/fear as a theme that is related with COVID deaths per million positively . However, my counts on the X Types for anything is really not much accurate, count these is quite difficult. This could be due to politicians like Trump and Bolsonaro manipulating people, I don't know.

Just as a note, we here on the forum belong to a cluster related to one of the X Types which has basically one of the least correlations with COVID deaths. On my own rough estimates for enneagram types per country that are based on Big Five / countries and MBTI / countries and relies on the connections of MBTI/Big Five and Enneagram, does tell that type 5 has the least correlation with COVIDs deaths - higher the projected estimated (roughly) of 5s, less deaths per million on the country - I believe this is the detachment thing working well. 4 is second place on that, partially because 4 and 5 overlaps substantially while projected on MBTI and on Big Five. On MBTI, INXX + ENFJ has the lowest correlations with COVID deaths. By MBTI here I mean dichotomy specifically, not the functions. This remembers me (since at least in these times Im really INXP on pure dichotomy terms, specially because dichotomy heavily relies on social E/I), I took the mask off to talk something really really important that should NOT be said loud yesterday to my grandpa, my grandpa worried of COVID and my mommy said it was almost impossible that I have COVID and he had to agree. I would say that we took this very seriously here in average - way much more seriously than the whole world took it.

 

[Vendrah]

 

[Psi]

Sounds like England is kinda giving up. I wonder if the U.S. is next.

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"...it seems inevitable that everyone is going to catch this virus..."

As anyone who knows jack about the subject (and isn't a political shill) has been saying since April 2020. Glad the world is catching up.

 

[Maou]

Pretty sure this is fake news, because I don't know a single republican voter that hasn't gotten the vaccine. Boomers are fucking terrified of the virus. You should know by now that most of the media in USA that people actually listen to, heavily skews in favor of the Democrats.

Also, there are reports of countries literally miscounting covid cases. They count those who had single dose of the vaccine, or those who just got the shots as "Unvaccinated" if they died before two weeks. Germany even came out admitting something similar. The numbers are flawed, and these kinds of graphs are literally just designed to divide the population.

 

[Vendrah]

Pretty sure this is fake news, because I don't know a single republican voter that hasn't gotten the vaccine.

I don't think anecdotal evidence does work as an argument.

Also, there are reports of countries literally miscounting covid cases.

The graph is about death, not cases.

The numbers are flawed, and these kinds of graphs are literally just designed to divide the population.

"The numbers are flawed" is really a generic argument to despise any numbers.

But knowing you from the forum, seeing your posts and personality tests results, I think I understand what your point is.
Lies can be told by not only by words, but also the numbers.
You believe this is some sort of fabrication of the "democrat-biased" media and that these stats are a lie or distorted, right?

 

[Maou]

I don't think anecdotal evidence does work as an argument.


The graph is about death, not cases.

"The numbers are flawed" is really a generic argument to despise any numbers.

But knowing you from the forum, seeing your posts and personality tests results, I think I understand what your point is.
Lies can be told by not only by words, but also the numbers.
You believe this is some sort of fabrication of the "democrat-biased" media and that these stats are a lie or distorted, right?

If the deaths were wrongly accounted to "Covid", then there is more than enough logic to assume that the numbers are wrong. This, on top of all the false positive tests that exists, because the tests themselves are inaccurate. I personally think the entire system is compromised, dishonest, corrupt etc. The only people who benefited from covid is the vaccine companies with their medicine to treat the side effects, and the rich elite.

All of it, the lockdowns, the numbers, all if it is fabricated. No one has any real idea what is going on because of all the flaws and lies. Notice how the "Flu" was eradicated, due to the lockdowns, masks etc, but covid numbers only surged. So clearly, the lockdowns and masks never worked to begin with, but Amazon and all these other companies benefited greatly with the destruction of the middle class businesses competition. That's all this was, a consolidation of wealth. Then you have Australia going full fascist and no one batting an eye. Oh, but voter ID's are racists, but everyone needs vaccine passes? Guess what groups of people who are the most unvaccinated is, who will be harmed if they make it mandatory and require your "papers" to do anything. Conviently, they try to divert your attention by separating people into "Wait and see" and "Anti-vax" when there is literally no difference other than political party. I personally believe in body autonomy. I do find it ironic that California, who was the head of the anti-vax movement to begin with, was the first to make them mandatory. And these covid vaccines are not even real vaccines, its experimental mnra gene therapy.

 

[ceecee]

If the deaths were wrongly accounted to "Covid", then there is more than enough logic to assume that the numbers are wrong. This, on top of all the false positive tests that exists, because the tests themselves are inaccurate. I personally think the entire system is compromised, dishonest, corrupt etc. The only people who benefited from covid is the vaccine companies with their medicine to treat the side effects, and the rich elite.

All of it, the lockdowns, the numbers, all if it is fabricated. No one has any real idea what is going on because of all the flaws and lies. Notice how the "Flu" was eradicated, due to the lockdowns, masks etc, but covid numbers only surged. So clearly, the lockdowns and masks never worked to begin with, but Amazon and all these other companies benefited greatly with the destruction of the middle class businesses competition. That's all this was, a consolidation of wealth. Then you have Australia going full fascist and no one batting an eye. Oh, but voter ID's are racists, but everyone needs vaccine passes? Guess what groups of people who are the most unvaccinated is, who will be harmed if they make it mandatory and require your "papers" to do anything. Conviently, they try to divert your attention by separating people into "Wait and see" and "Anti-vax" when there is literally no difference other than political party. I personally believe in body autonomy. I do find it ironic that California, who was the head of the anti-vax movement to begin with, was the first to make them mandatory. And these covid vaccines are not even real vaccines, its experimental mnra gene therapy.

lol
Now do the GOP.

 

[Vendrah]

I personally think the entire system is compromised, dishonest, corrupt etc. The only people who benefited from covid is the (...) and the rich elite.

Actually, this is something to a high degree lots of us here believes in basically - that includes @ceecee , even though not all of us believe on it to the full degree. And we are probably right for a number of reasons.

All of it, the lockdowns, the numbers, all if it is fabricated. No one has any real idea what is going on because of all the flaws and lies. Notice how the "Flu" was eradicated, due to the lockdowns, masks etc, but covid numbers only surged. So clearly, the lockdowns and masks never worked to begin with, but Amazon and all these other companies benefited greatly with the destruction of the middle class businesses competition. That's all this was, a consolidation of wealth.

Ok, but getting to our skeptical point of view, how can you be so sure that this is all fabricated?? We live on a world full of lies and we don't have a real and accurate idea of what is going on (which I agree not to the full extent but to a moderate degree), and that also implies that we can't be so sure that all of it is fabricated. In the same line, how can you be so sure the lockdowns and masks never worked? Through the skeptical point of view, you can't be sure neither that they work nor that they don't work.

This consolidation of wealth thing is more complicated than it seems. Trump was or is a billionaire, yet he didn't got benefited from COVID and he was actually one of the main promoters of "it's a hoax". In my own country, some good bunch of billionaires followed the same line. So there was actually some bunch of rich elite who did not benefited but also promoted on the "it's a hoax line".

That's all this was, a consolidation of wealth. Then you have Australia going full fascist and no one batting an eye. Oh, but voter ID's are racists, but everyone needs vaccine passes? Guess what groups of people who are the most unvaccinated is, who will be harmed if they make it mandatory and require your "papers" to do anything. Conviently, they try to divert your attention by separating people into "Wait and see" and "Anti-vax" when there is literally no difference other than political party. I personally believe in body autonomy. I do find it ironic that California, who was the head of the anti-vax movement to begin with, was the first to make them mandatory. And these covid vaccines are not even real vaccines, its experimental mnra gene therapy.

The major problem is that although this could be "a plot" to some degree, what if this instead is a serious and real thing? It is treated that way, and since its an infection and the vaccines are the best prevention, the campaign is vaccine to stop the infection and people who refuse the vaccine spreads the infection.

 

[Maou]

Actually, this is something to a high degree lots of us here believes in basically - that includes @ceecee , even though not all of us believe on it to the full degree. And we are probably right for a number of reasons.

Ok, but getting to our skeptical point of view, how can you be so sure that this is all fabricated?? We live on a world full of lies and we don't have a real and accurate idea of what is going on (which I agree not to the full extent but to a moderate degree), and that also implies that we can't be so sure that all of it is fabricated. In the same line, how can you be so sure the lockdowns and masks never worked? Through the skeptical point of view, you can't be sure neither that they work nor that they don't work.

This consolidation of wealth thing is more complicated than it seems. Trump was or is a billionaire, yet he didn't got benefited from COVID and he was actually one of the main promoters of "it's a hoax". In my own country, some good bunch of billionaires followed the same line. So there was actually some bunch of rich elite who did not benefited but also promoted on the "it's a hoax line".

The major problem is that although this could be "a plot" to some degree, what if this instead is a serious and real thing? It is treated that way, and since its an infection and the vaccines are the best prevention, the campaign is vaccine to stop the infection and people who refuse the vaccine spreads the infection.

We cannot know for sure, but I think it's always safer to assume either incompetence or malicious intent from the government.

Not all billionaires are evil, unironically. It's unfair to say they are all evil. Trump was the first one that pushed the vaccine, if you remember. He called out the health organizations as being shady about how to deal with it/its severity, which is often misconstrued as him saying the virus itself is fake. He is the one that also streamlined the first vaccines productions. He is, even now, telling people to get vaccinated. Vaccine has a 1% chance of killing you via allergic reaction, myocarditis etc,. And so does the virus. I don't understand why they are pushing it so hard, when it isn't even very effective to begin with. It's has less effectiveness than the flu vaccine. You can still catch, and transmit the virus even while fully vaccinated, with an even higher viral load than those who were unvaccinated. Natural immunity is more effective than the vaccine. So why are the governments pushing it so hard? They didn't do that with the flu. That is concerning to me. It could even possibly just be mass hysteria that is affecting everyone.

 

[Virtual ghost]

We cannot know for sure, but I think it's always safer to assume either incompetence or malicious intent from the government.

Not all billionaires are evil, unironically. It's unfair to say they are all evil. Trump was the first one that pushed the vaccine, if you remember. He called out the health organizations as being shady about how to deal with it/its severity, which is often misconstrued as him saying the virus itself is fake. He is the one that also streamlined the first vaccines productions. He is, even now, telling people to get vaccinated. Vaccine has a 1% chance of killing you via allergic reaction, myocarditis etc,. And so does the virus. I don't understand why they are pushing it so hard, when it isn't even very effective to begin with. It's has less effectiveness than the flu vaccine. You can still catch, and transmit the virus even while fully vaccinated, with an even higher viral load than those who were unvaccinated. Natural immunity is more effective than the vaccine. So why are the governments pushing it so hard? They didn't do that with the flu. That is concerning to me. It could even possibly just be mass hysteria that is affecting everyone.

The vaccine doesn't have a 1% chance of killing you. After all that would mean that over 2 million Americans should have died by now, due to 200+ million people that got vaccinated in the country,


Natural immunity isn't really viable strategy because the disease is too dangerous and it is likely to cause organ damage ever if you survive. Plus if you go with natural immunity you will overload the medical system, what means that pretty much all those that will need medical help with getting over the disease will die. Since there will be no room for them, because you unleashed the virus to run freely and that is causing plenty of cases in the same moment. What in the end multiplies the death rate that should be around 10% in a typical developed country (even if we ignore other diseases). Since almost nobody will be able to get proper care where multiple people should use a single hospital bed.


Plus it was said in the beginning that we need vaccination rate of about 80% for vaccines to end the pandemic. What with Delta was risen further. Since the virus in order to survive has to spread, because the infected person is either getting over it or they die. Therefore when you vaccinate you already prepare organism for this fight and the virus is cleaned faster and more severe disease will probably be diverted if your general health isn't a mess. Therefore once huge amount of people get vaccinated the virus should have a hard time making this jump from person to person over and over. What will fade out the pandemic, especially if you add a few more common sense measure into the mix.


In other words if this virus isn't removed you can forget about the world as it was. The people wouldn't spend money normally as long as the virus is here. The whole industries will collapse permanently since there is no way that they can be profitable in the new normal and bailouts can't go forever. People will need a new shoot every year and there will be more checks everywhere. Only God knows into what this virus will mutate some 5 to 10 years down the road if it isn't removed. Etc.

 

[Virtual ghost]

The vaccine isn't a vaccine, its experimental gene therapy. You still catch, and spread the virus (potentially asymptomatically) even if you are fully vaccinated. Your logic, doesn't apply to covid. It can apply to things where the vaccine actually works 100%, but not with covid. This means even if you vaccinated 80% of the population, even 100%... covid isn't eradicated and continues to mutate. The cycle continues. Prepare to be forced to get a booster shot every 6 months.

Read again if needed. Since I have explained to you why this shouldn't be the case when 90% of the population is vaccinated. When it is 50 or 60% vaccinated this can and will happen and that is exactly why it was said that we need much higher vaccination rate. Plus we need boosters exactly since the effect is expiring on many people, because some other people didn't do what they should have. So of course that we have only half successes. Also it seem that they are making boosters that address the variant issue better, what should suppress this effect extra.

The pandemic doesn't end, because it's convenient for the government. Is it really worth destroying the lives of billions of people just to save 1% of the population who would die of the flu or covid regardless? What about all the lives of people who are now homeless and impoverished? Government can't just bail them out, because no one is working and that money gotta come from somewhere. Not to mention, Big pharma is manipulating the information on known possible treatments that could help people with covid, because they want to make money on the vaccines and fixes for their side effects. Imagine literally blocking doctors from prescribing medicines. While other countries embrace them and see drop in numbers. Something, isn't adding up.

This is the company you are trusting.

Pfizer drug breach ends in biggest US crime fine

Company pays $1.3bn fine as part of $2.3bn settlement for misbranding medicines and giving kickbacks to doctors

www.theguardian.com

I have explained to you why it isn't only 1% of people "in play", plus there is such a thing as long covid and organ damage.

On the other hand literally all medical problems that I ever had were solved by my government. So if they can't find a fundamental problem with the vaccine I have no reason not to trust them. After all the mentioned company is basically just distributor of the vaccine, since one company abroad is the actual "designer" (which happens to be "my local company" in more broad sense of the term) . Plus here the government gives stimulus to small business and workers every month from what I understand and that is what makes most of them float in this mess (what then makes sure that there is enough paid taxes to continue this). What is one of the reasons why there is no need to fundamentally doubt government on my part. Therefore since we are both offered same vaccines that should apply to you as well. But since you aren't really going to listen to me none of this really matters.

 

[Maou]

Read again if needed. Since I have explained to you why this shouldn't be the case when 90% of the population is vaccinated. When it is 50 or 60% vaccinated this can and will happen and that is exactly why it was said that we need much higher vaccination rate. Plus we need boosters exactly since the effect is expiring on many people, because some other people didn't do what they should have. So of course that we have only half successes. Also it seem that they are making boosters that address the variant issue better, what should suppress this effect extra.

What part of "Its not a vaccine" didn't you get. The boosters might even cause ADE in people over time. Since these "vaccines" were hardly tested, what will you do if they inadvertently made everything worse because they caused everyone to get ADE, and now they need booster shots for the rest of their lives or they die? Since the vaccine uses mRNA technology, the possibility is a lot higher than they are admitting.

I have explained to you why it isn't only 1% of people "in play", plus there is such a thing as long covid and organ damage.

The "Damage to the organs" isn't something unique to covid. All influenza and related respiratory infections all do similar damage. This is just classic example of click bait from the media taking advantage of ignorance. Also, I am not including just deaths in this, but vaccine injury. In comparison, the vaccine for the swine flue was cancled after only 53 deaths. Yet thousands of people have died of the vaccine, and its complications, and its still being used. That isn't including injuries

On the other hand literally all medical problems that I ever had were solved by my government. So if they can't find a fundamental problem with the vaccine I have no reason not to trust them. After all the mentioned company is basically just distributor of the vaccine, since one company abroad is the actual "designer" (which happens to be "my local company" in more broad sense of the term) . Plus here the government gives stimulus to small business and workers every month from what I understand and that is what makes most of them float in this mess (what then makes sure that there is enough paid taxes to continue this). What is one of the reasons why there is no need to fundamentally doubt government on my part. Therefore since we are both offered same vaccines that should apply to you as well. But since you aren't really going to listen to me none of this really matters.

Not every country is going to be the same, but if they are getting the recipe for the vaccine from USA, you should be concerned.