Coronavirus

[Virtual ghost]

Yeah. A lot of things need to be done now, because of exponential growth, which some people in power still fail to grasp, even now. So I'm watching in horror as the US lets day after day go by without any 'national-level' action. If people ask themselves "at which point does the number of deaths become unacceptable?" -- and if there is a threshold for that at all, the time to do something drastic is today, because if you don't do it now, you're going to have to do it at some point in the future, when things are much worse.

Well at this rate US should become a world champion in registered cases within 2 to 3 days from now, based on what I have seen. However the longer they wait the harder will be to do this.

I think the idea is you freeze things for the shortest amount of time possible. I think one month is already pushing it (for a complete lockdown). But then that's only effective if you do it at the same time everywhere, and if you do it early, which is probably never gonna happen in the US.

TBH, I don't know how any government is going to solve this. Even if you manage to save a lot of lives, there will be so much crap to solve later on and I have a feeling that many countries are going to have a total breakdown.

This is why you have to freeze everything but the most basic "life-support", since in that case there are no real gain or loses. Instead almost everything should continue from the point where things got frozen and the damage shouldn't be that big. Especially if compared to not doing anything.

 

[Nicodemus]

The US heading toward the lead, as always. I expect Trump to interpret it that was in due time.

 

[prplchknz]

people are dying and gonna die and no one cares. and honestly i'm very hungry so i don't care either

 

[Nicodemus]

Something to keep in mind though is that it is the same ecosystem from which government draws its funds- so if the solution is to freeze rent (property taxes stop, ecosystem loses nourishment), hire people (drain from ecosystem without replenishing), give people money (more drain), launch a government program (more drain), it becomes unsustainable.

Only if you think in private terms. Governments incur debts on a massive scale in normal times (often for no good reason: think Trump tax cuts), and usually it is not even bad for them. Now, they have to. The EU has already suspended its usual rules concerning the limits of state deficits and debts. Since the whole world is affected by the virus, and the world economy is similarly interconnected as domestic economies, everybody has a vested interest to keep the system alive for the time being. You just can't do it indefinitely.

 

[EcK]

As long as it doesn't overwhelm the medical system, its just another flu. Life goes back to normal.

Okey, and why wouldn't it overwhelm the medical system? It did in every country where it was left to spread for a few weeks. So left to spread freely worldwide it would surely overwhelm the medical system even if we increased our capacity to treat it by a factor of 2 or 3. The only real hope for managing it is medication that reduce the gravity of the symptoms or/and a vaccine that would come soonish so the virus doesn't have time to turn into 20 different strains.

 

[Maou]

Okey, and why wouldn't it overwhelm the medical system? It did in every country where it was left to spread for a few weeks. So left to spread freely worldwide it would surely overwhelm the medical system even if we increased our capacity to treat it by a factor of 2 or 3. The only real hope for managing it is medication that reduce the gravity of the symptoms or/and a vaccine that would come soonish so the virus doesn't have time to turn into 20 different strains.

Yeah I was wong and said something stupid cuz I was drunk.

 

[Jonny]

Coronavirus Update (Live): 525,605 Cases and 23,711 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

US just moved into the #1 spot for reported number of cases. Still behind Italy in total deaths, but if we Americans can all come together we just might win this thing!

 

[cascadeco]

Coronavirus Found On Quarantined Cruise Ship's Surfaces Up To 17 Days After Being Vacated | IFLScience

 

[Mind Maverick]

National coronavirus updates: White House coronavirus task force provides updates as US cases surpass 80,000

US corona count surpassed China's now.

Also surpassed everyone in stupidity levels by going to the beach and saying "if I get it, I get it," so it's not that surprising.

 

[Nicodemus]

National coronavirus updates: White House coronavirus task force provides updates as US cases surpass 80,000

US corona count surpassed China's now.

Also surpassed everyone in stupidity levels by going to the beach and saying "if I get it, I get it," so it's not that surprising.

Congrats, you did it, guys.

 

[Maou]

National coronavirus updates: White House coronavirus task force provides updates as US cases surpass 80,000

US corona count surpassed China's now.

Also surpassed everyone in stupidity levels by going to the beach and saying "if I get it, I get it," so it's not that surprising.

Yeah, I knew some Americans would scoff at the lockdown, due to obsessions with "Muh freedoms" entitlement.

 

[Vendrah]

Here in my country, Bolsonaro "troops" (aka Bolsominions) in Whatsapp, You Tube and several medias, are in their new "fight" against the quarantine. Some say that the quarantine is now criminal!
Brazil is not actually in quarantine, however a good portion of population ceased activities on its own. About 4-6 states are in quarantine (although some few are not officially using that name), including, lucky for me, the state that I live. The brazilian states have autonomy to declare some sort of quarantine on their own. Bolsonaro about four days ago tried to take way that autonomy, but he failed.
This is a compilation of some stuff in portuguese plus stuff of my own, so, no links.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 525,605 Cases and 23,711 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

US just moved into the #1 spot for reported number of cases. Still behind Italy in total deaths, but if we Americans can all come together we just might win this thing!

I read somewhere today that the projections are that US will pass Italy in number of death in 10-15 days, unless Trump takes better measures.

 

[cascadeco]

Colorado is at 1,400 now. I think we're seeing what had been brewing a few weeks ago, when I was mad that everyone was still coming into my coffee shop, and that I was still working (which was still happening up through this past Thurs/Fri, though most customers by last week had gotten a clue and stopped coming in).

 

[Tater]

 

[Mind Maverick]

Yeah, I knew some Americans would scoff at the lockdown, due to obsessions with "Muh freedoms" entitlement.

I don't think it's really the freedom thing, but moreso that a lot of Americans just don't take things like this seriously or think it could happen to them. I think the media is partly to blame in the sense that everything is overhyped and it leads to a lot of fear-inducing messages followed by absolutely nothing. It creates a low response / false sense of security in people I think.

Honestly, I don't think we're as freedom oriented as the stereotypes say we are.

 

[Tellenbach]

Obviously my graphs are really simple and are considering a very limited set of data, but one can extrapolate from them that the professionals who are actually advising the decision makers might just know something more about future of this than @SearchingforPeace @Tellenbach @Maou, who each in their own way have lamented our response to this as being too sacrificial of the economy for the sake of "people who would die in 5 years anyway."

I never made any comment about "people who would die in 5 years anyway". I'm the most data driven and rational person here, so it's kind of curious that you would attribute something about sacrificing the economy for old people.

My position is that we should quarantine New York and kindly ask DiBlasio and Cuomo to step down because they have failed to control the epidemic. Next, we should look for the inflection point and when it comes, that's a good place to start normalizing business. I also advocate the use of Vitamins C & D as prophylactic measures - something that our leaders have failed to do. Doctors should also treat the more severe cases with curcumin/quercetin/zinc because these measures are not currently employed and there is no reason NOT to try them since they are cheap and harmless.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

The UK should now be able to cope with the spread of the covid-19 virus, according to one of the epidemiologists advising the government.

Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London gave evidence today to the UK’s parliamentary select committee on science and technology as part of an inquiry into the nation’s response to the coronavirus outbreak.

He said that expected increases in National Health Service capacity and ongoing restrictions to people’s movements make him “reasonably confident” the health service can cope when the predicted peak of the epidemic arrives in two or three weeks. UK deaths from the disease are now unlikely to exceed 20,000, he said, and could be much lower.
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UK has enough intensive care units for coronavirus, expert predicts | New Scientist

Of the 20k projected UK deaths, half would likely have denied in 2020 anyway.

 

[Tomb1]

Funny trump still contends his ban in late January was a great move...its such a great move we jumped from 0 cases to 81000+ in less than 60 days after the 'move'.

it wasn't much of a move, either....flights back and forth to hong kong and mainland China frequently occurred in February

You Can Still Fly U.S. To China If You Need To Go

 

[Virtual ghost]

At least judging by the news: here the pandemic is slowing down over the last few days, what is probably because counter-measures are really drastic.

 

[á´…eparted]

Great prospective and one that offers some bright light in all of this.

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