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Red Memories

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Apparently USA has had most all drugs outsourced to China... that is fucking stupid. I hope Trump brings it back to USA.

This is a little confusing. I hear we technically only get 13% of drugs from China through import directly, while the main issue is 80% of all drug manufacturers have their labor force within China. which yes, we need to stop outsourcing our jobs just because China still permits sweatshops.
 

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It's all theory until your baby wakes up coughing badly...



(Probably just a cold as it's a moist cough, not a dry one but still enough to pump you up with adrenalin)
 

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What is wrong with exclusion? Not everyone gets to win/get first place in the world. It is literally impossible to help everyone. Why sink your own nation for an idealistic purpose like saving the world from their own stupidity? Putting your country first shouldn't even be in question, because you fucking live there. Wanting to see it get treated like shit, by other countries, and being slave to their interests is just delusional. Its like saying you want your dad to die, because you don't like him despite him the only one with a job in the household.

Now I am all for having regulations to control corporations to stop outsourcing. I do feel there is too many loopholes. But you know what creates all the loopholes? Regulations. Simplicity is the best solution to the problem of tax evasion, and outsourcing.

Oy. Why do you have these sort of off topic knee jerk reactions all the time? I was not talking about coming in first or not living here or whatever the fuck you are going on about. Your definition of nationalism was incorrect. Capitalism, specifically disaster capitalism is what is governing everything about this pandemic. Not nationalism.
 

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Oy. Why do you have these sort of off topic knee jerk reactions all the time? I was not talking about coming in first or not living here or whatever the fuck you are going on about. Your definition of nationalism was incorrect. Capitalism, specifically disaster capitalism is what is governing everything about this pandemic. Not nationalism.

Capitalism isn't a form of government. You cling to your own definitions to suit your needs as well. Definituons also change over time. Being adamant about one throughout history leaves you withoit nuance.
 

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Capitalism isn't a form of government. You cling to your own definitions to suit your needs as well. Definituons also change over time. Being adamant about one throughout history leaves you withoit nuance.


Nationalism is an exclusionary ideology. Companies running with minimal control/regulations from the government is called "capitalism", an economic system. Feel free to look it up.

No shit. I have noticed this "definitions change over time" really means "whatever I decide is a fact at the moment" with you.
 

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It's all theory until your baby wakes up coughing badly...



(Probably just a cold as it's a moist cough, not a dry one but still enough to pump you up with adrenalin)
FWIW, no children have died and children only make up less than 1% of the serious cases. The overwhelmingly vast majority of time, children end up with mild cases, whether similar to a cold or a mild flu.
 

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FWIW, no children have died and children only make up less than 1% of the serious cases. The overwhelmingly vast majority of time, children end up with mild cases, whether similar to a cold or a mild flu.

I know. But thanks :)
 

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my state has 4 cases now and I'm starting to freak out.
 

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my state has 4 cases now and I'm starting to freak out.

My state (Baden-Württemberg in Germany, 11 million people) currently has 569 cases and 3 dead. 9 known cases in our town. It does sound scary as numbers are going up quickly, but letality is low and most probably don't even realize they have Covid-19. Chances are you'll be relatively fine.

The US actually isn't such a bad place to be right now when it comes to resources:

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My state (Baden-Württemberg in Germany, 11 million people) currently has 569 cases and 3 dead. 9 known cases in our town. It does sound scary as numbers are going up quickly, but letality is low and most probably don't even realize they have Covid-19. Chances are you'll be relatively fine.

The US actually isn't such a bad place to be right now when it comes to resources:

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I'm heavily worried about giving it to my family though. my grandpa has heart disease from his heart attack and is 67. my older brother has only 90% lung function and asthma. my little brother with autism has an issue with his left leg so he is not as able to be mobile as others. so 3 people in my family are very at risk and I don't want to cause them to die.
 

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My state (Baden-Württemberg in Germany, 11 million people) currently has 569 cases and 3 dead. 9 known cases in our town. It does sound scary as numbers are going up quickly, but letality is low and most probably don't even realize they have Covid-19. Chances are you'll be relatively fine.

The US actually isn't such a bad place to be right now when it comes to resources:

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Yes, but USA seems to have affordability problem. Plus I am not sure those beds are equality scattered through country that is indeed much bigger than yours or mine. :shrug:


Anyways, thank you for this.




Here is about 35 formally sick, 0 dead and 2 recovered. What is good score even for the country of this size, it seems we acted on time.
 

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Where I am there are 27 infected and statewide school closings. I'm now officially cut off from vulnerable individuals, so mostly need to decide how much to limit face to face music lessons. I will be sending out an email encouraging video lessons. I think one main issue is if you have any flu or allergy symptoms to not assume coronavirus and get upset, but to avoid contact with anyone to simply be on the safe side.
 

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I'd like to highlight a few things regarding the thinking behind policies being implemented in different places now:

- 'Flatten the curve' should be a common concept, so everyone should do their part. Large gatherings (night clubs, etc., concerts, movie theaters) are a bad idea since these have a possibility to make the number of patients 'explode' around 5-7 days after the event. If you are 100% sure that all the five hundred people at your gathering do not have the virus, then go ahead, you're perfectly safe. All that said, keep in mind that the two curves we see are usually a little misleading as they only represent the 'concept'. The true picture varies depending on where you live and how much your local health system can cope with. So the 'bad' curve with no mitigation might be really steep, and the 'safe line' may actually much, much lower than the infographics will have you believe -- maybe it goes up to only about 3% of the total height of the 'bad curve'. Here's a simple way to think about it: say your local community has 30 ICU beds and equipment, which means you can probably only care for 30 people at a time. Don't forget that once they're in critical care, they're going to occupy that bed for an average of two or three weeks, so it's not like you can then have them recover in a few days and get a new batch of 30 people in) The number of your local ICU beds represents 5% of the people your community can afford to have be sick at the same time *over three weeks*. And that will actually leave *no* beds for other patients who come in with strokes and other things.

- The 'magical number of 14 days' is not arbitrary. It's not about 'shutting everything down so we can rethink things'. It's about breaking the chain of infection. If everyone in the world stays home for 14 days right now, most of the virus will simply die out, as they have no new host to infect. Yes, there are cases where people are infectious up to more than 30 days, but those are very rare.

- If there are cases from 'community spread' (they don't know where they got the virus from -- e.g. no history of travel, no link to people with known) then the virus is certainly around somewhere in your community. Be very, very careful. A community-wide 14-day curfew of some sort is going to help, because it's going to get rid of most of the virus in circulation. However, if a large part of your community is still going about in 'business as usual' mode, closing only schools or restaurants for 14 days might slow the spread but ultimately is not going to be that effective. The problem right now everywhere is there's no coordinated effort across different sectors to do this. [And, yes, if the whole world simply stops for 14 days, we can completely reset this pandemic. Of course, this is unrealistic, so we need to do what we can.]

- If your community does *not* have community spread yet, practicing basic social distancing (e.g. no 'large' gathering, especially when there are people who have traveled from outside the community) and personal hygiene should be okay for now. However, keep a lookout for reports of people who say they can't get tested even when they have all the symptoms. Even without official numbers, it's still possible that there *is* community spread in your area.

- If it gets bad in your community and your local government issues a 14-day lockdown/curfew of any sort, that's a good thing. The numbers are still going to UP for a while, every day, for another 14 days or so, but that's all right, because at the time of the lockdown, you've broken the chain of transmission, and it's simply the case of 'infected people starting to show symptoms'. After 14 days, the numbers will go DOWN, because no new people are getting infected.
 

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I'd like to highlight a few things regarding the thinking behind policies being implemented in different places now:

- 'Flatten the curve' should be a common concept, so everyone should do their part. Large gatherings (night clubs, etc., concerts, movie theaters) are a bad idea since these have a possibility to make the number of patients 'explode' around 5-7 days after the event. If you are 100% sure that all the five hundred people at your gathering do not have the virus, then go ahead, you're perfectly safe. All that said, keep in mind that the two curves we see are usually a little misleading as they only represent the 'concept'. The true picture varies depending on where you live and how much your local health system can cope with. So the 'bad' curve with no mitigation might be really steep, and the 'safe line' may actually much, much lower than the infographics will have you believe -- maybe it goes up to only about 3% of the total height of the 'bad curve'. Here's a simple way to think about it: say your local community has 30 ICU beds and equipment, which means you can probably only care for 30 people at a time. Don't forget that once they're in critical care, they're going to occupy that bed for an average of two or three weeks, so it's not like you can then have them recover in a few days and get a new batch of 30 people in) The number of your local ICU beds represents 5% of the people your community can afford to have be sick at the same time *over three weeks*. And that will actually leave *no* beds for other patients who come in with strokes and other things.

- The 'magical number of 14 days' is not arbitrary. It's not about 'shutting everything down so we can rethink things'. It's about breaking the chain of infection. If everyone in the world stays home for 14 days right now, most of the virus will simply die out, as they have no new host to infect. Yes, there are cases where people are infectious up to more than 30 days, but those are very rare.

- If there are cases from 'community spread' (they don't know where they got the virus from -- e.g. no history of travel, no link to people with known) then the virus is certainly around somewhere in your community. Be very, very careful. A community-wide 14-day curfew of some sort is going to help, because it's going to get rid of most of the virus in circulation. However, if a large part of your community is still going about in 'business as usual' mode, closing only schools or restaurants for 14 days might slow the spread but ultimately is not going to be that effective. The problem right now everywhere is there's no coordinated effort across different sectors to do this. [And, yes, if the whole world simply stops for 14 days, we can completely reset this pandemic. Of course, this is unrealistic, so we need to do what we can.]

- If your community does *not* have community spread yet, practicing basic social distancing (e.g. no 'large' gathering, especially when there are people who have traveled from outside the community) and personal hygiene should be okay for now. However, keep a lookout for reports of people who say they can't get tested even when they have all the symptoms. Even without official numbers, it's still possible that there *is* community spread in your area.

- If it gets bad in your community and your local government issues a 14-day lockdown/curfew of any sort, that's a good thing. The numbers are still going to UP for a while, every day, for another 14 days or so, but that's all right, because at the time of the lockdown, you've broken the chain of transmission, and it's simply the case of 'infected people starting to show symptoms'. After 14 days, the numbers will go DOWN, because no new people are getting infected.

I'm probably going to hear more when I go to work tomorrow but I'm thinking about why I simply dont self-isolate at home for the 14 days from now, I've got an underlying health condition which makes me vulnerable, as do a few of those sharing my accomodation. What's frustrating for me is that people here dont give a shit at all, a lot of them seem convinced the whole thing is a lie and there's nothing going on besides panic buying and the cold, which I'm sure is going to lead to a lot of people being super conductors for the illness in time.
 

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I'm probably going to hear more when I go to work tomorrow but I'm thinking about why I simply dont self-isolate at home for the 14 days from now, I've got an underlying health condition which makes me vulnerable, as do a few of those sharing my accomodation. What's frustrating for me is that people here dont give a shit at all, a lot of them seem convinced the whole thing is a lie and there's nothing going on besides panic buying and the cold, which I'm sure is going to lead to a lot of people being super conductors for the illness in time.

Sorry to hear that! It sucks if people are not doing their part, and I blame it on government(s) failing to communicate this in a calm and unpoliticized manner. Self-isolating for 14 days might not help because everyone's still going about, so when you re-emerge after 14 days the community is still not safe. Can you talk to your boss about this? Can you work from home? Lots of places in Europe are going to see exponential growth within a few days and at that time the politicians will *finally* panic, so you might see your area locked down soon.
 

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Coronavirus Cases: USA

Lots of interesting graphs on this page, but the graphs are not images so I can't link them.

Updated March 15, 2020:

March 15: 737 new cases
March 14: 696 new cases
March 13: 550 new cases
March 12: 396 new cases
March 11: 307 new cases
March 10: 290 new cases
March 09: 163 new cases
March 08: 106 new cases
March 07: 116 new cases
March 06: 98 new cases

Here's the good news: There are currently 4503 infected persons but only 12 of them are in serious or critical condition; that's 0.27%.

Someone please plot this in Excel and give us a projection of what we can expect in the coming week if the current trend holds. I can't do it because my office trial period has expired.
 
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