Which enneagram type is most likely to view life as suffering & be anti-natalist?

[luli1234]

I am fairly anti-natalist & am 5w4 according to the full scale RHETI test.
I've also noted cynical/ anti-natalist views among 4w5s.

 

[JocktheMotie]

Seems oddly specific and also extremely stupid to be anti-natalist anyways.

I can see 5s not liking kids because they overwhelmingly consume all of your time.

4s might actually like kids because then they have a prime source of misery to fill their lives with.

6s will secretely like kids because it gives them a new source of fear, bonus points for all the 6 moms whose brains break and wind up becoming anti-vax and medicating their whole family with essential oil diffusions.

 

[ceecee]

Seems oddly specific and also extremely stupid to be anti-natalist anyways.

I can see 5s not liking kids because they overwhelmingly consume all of your time.

4s might actually like kids because then they have a prime source of misery to fill their lives with.

6s will secretely like kids because it gives them a new source of fear, bonus points for all the 6 moms whose brains break and wind up becoming anti-vax and medicating their whole family with essential oil diffusions.

lol

I can see 1's wanting kids for something to control. 2's so they can guilt their child into whatever whacked shit they can come up with. 8's so they have someone to bully.

 

[Lexicon]

I can see 5s not liking kids because they overwhelmingly consume all of your time.

As a 5w6, I’d agree with this. Not only time, but resources & emotional energy, among other things. Pass on all that, for me. Don’t care if others procreate, though. The thought of certain humans out in the world passing on their genes does make me cringe, but, I don’t actively care enough to be antinatalist.

4s might actually like kids because then they have a prime source of misery to fill their lives with.

6s will secretely like kids because it gives them a new source of fear, bonus points for all the 6 moms whose brains break and wind up becoming anti-vax and medicating their whole family with essential oil diffusions.

 

[JocktheMotie]

As a 5w6, I’d agree with this. Not only time, but resources & emotional energy, among other things. Pass on all that, for me. Don’t care if others procreate, though. The thought of certain humans out in the world passing on their genes does make me cringe, but, I don’t actively care enough to be antinatalist.

This was the biggest adjustment for me. Your time and attention being constantly under demand is the real killer. It is exhausting, and depletes your mental energy normally reserved for other things, like showering.

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I'm struggling to think of a good reason to be generally anti-natalist. Maybe if you think existence is pain, it would work. But it's not! So...

 

[Lexicon]

This was the biggest adjustment for me. Your time and attention being constantly under demand is the real killer. It is exhausting, and depletes your mental energy normally reserved for other things, like showering.

Yeah, my roommate’s got a ten yr old. I’ve been renting from her for about 5 yrs, now. It’s only further solidified my stance on not having a kid myself. She’s smart & well-behaved, but it’s like a constant light shining in your face, in a way. Even when she doesn’t actively *need* something, there’s this constant sort of *on* setting a parent seems to have to keep activated. Having that there, forever. I suppose some may enjoy the warmth of that constant light. But I’d shrivel up like a dead frog on a hot driveway.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

I feel the same as Lexicon but have two kids. Whoopsiedoodle.

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hormones gonna hormone...

 

[hjgbujhghg]

Well the most obvious answer is a 4. I'm not sure about anti-natalist though. That really could be any type. I'm a 3 and I personally don't like kids much and I don't really want any on my own. There are several reasons why people can be anti-natalists. Like some people just don't think they would handle their kids well, other people don't have kids for ecological reasons, others don't want them exactly because they think that life is suffering, some folks want to live a fun free life and kids are too limiting for them. So I don't t think you can put this in a box that easily.
Also, if you think that life is suffering, it just sounds like a depression and not a type. One of the most off putting things about many typologists and people who are into types is that they confuse mental illness with a type. I'm not pointing any fingers here, I did that back in the old days quite a lot, but it's not right. If you are depressed or suffering or whatever, you can't just say: "Well, I'm a 4." These things go far beyond a type.

 

[Maou]

Save the world, kill all the babbies! And humans while we're at it. Save the polar bears!

 

[Schrödinger's Name]

Seems oddly specific and also extremely stupid to be anti-natalist anyways.

I can see 5s not liking kids because they overwhelmingly consume all of your time.

4s might actually like kids because then they have a prime source of misery to fill their lives with.

6s will secretely like kids because it gives them a new source of fear, bonus points for all the 6 moms whose brains break and wind up becoming anti-vax and medicating their whole family with essential oil diffusions.

:')
No thanks. I'd rather stick to the imaginary kind of misery- or at least the kind that doesn't eat all of my money and (emotional) energy for the upcoming 18 years.

On the other side I don't see why it's 'extremely stupid' to be an antinatalist.

But I agree with the E5.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Call me party popper but I am fairly sure this varies form country to country. Not everyone has the same ratios between various types of problems and that is very likely to effect the answer.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Call me party popper but I am fairly sure this varies form country to country. Not everyone has the same ratios between various types of problems and that is very likely to effect the answer.

This is literally your answer for everything.

 

[Virtual ghost]

This is literally your answer for everything.

Since this IS general answer. There is almost 200 countries and they are scattered through various terrains, populations, cultures, histories, economies, religions etc. Therefore it is logical that not everyone sees the reality in the same way and has different ratios between the types.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Since this IS general answer. There is almost 200 countries and they are scattered through various terrains, populations, cultures, histories, economies, religions etc. Therefore it is logical that no everyone sees the reality in the same way or has different ratios between the types.

You silly banana.

 

[Indigo Rodent]

I'm anti-natalist and 1w9. I think that anti-natalism is a type of a perfectionist stance. Like human existence is inherently defective and one forces another human being to age and die. I'm generally anti-death. If problem of death is solved, births will lead to extreme overpopulation, if it isn't, childbirth is murder.

 

[yeghor]

I don't attach any moral value to it but if I knew the world was like this, I probably would not have wanted to be born (or would've just stayed in the womb). I don't think I would've missed out on anything by simply not having existed at all.

As for children, I guess the buck would probably stop with me cause I wouldn't want to have any children, firstly because you need to devote your time, life and resources to them, secondly they would have to suffer in this world too. I might be OK with it if it would make the missus happy.

All these go against life's prime directive to reproduce however so a natalist must be some kind of an abnormal type (read intuitive). I guess I am not an anti-natalist but just a nihilist. My enneagram 1 and 5 usually come up the highest in the tests. Maybe, anti-natalists are a specific type of nihilist.

Attaching a moral value to it and accusing those making children to be amoral sound like some kind of projection and ego defense mechanism, so I guess INTPs might be inclined to that. I don't think it's amoral, it's the parents choice so long as they are willing to devote themselves to it. Not devoting themselves to it would be amoral for me.

Existence of life

P.s.: I guess I have schizoid tendencies too, sometimes I feel like I am just going to implode on myself.