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The Cat

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Polling this far out doesn't matter. Still. Yesterday. Today. Tomorrow. Always.
They are not bones that you cast to prognosticate the future.
Remember your history. Its uses, you should pay attention to them. But Stop believing they're predictive because current polling methods are very self selecting. They tend to skew towards the conservative side of things. Irrelevant this far out for predicting the outcome.​
 
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Recall 20 years ago around this time, there were parts of the US govt, who was talking similar. This is not really any different in the saber rattling. They won't nuke Gaza, its too close to them. But no one in government wants a peon who works for them on the radio talking outloud to the public, the kind of thing that the public just doesnt have the training to deal with. But the talk on the inside is gonna be like this, but typically worse. On the radio you're not supposed to hear 20 years ago: "we're gonna bomb those terroistic towel heads back to the stone age." However, behind closed doors and in the email spam folders thats exactly what you find.
This was fucking everywhere then. (its not weird al btw)
While this was never my jam it was never the less part of the scuttlebutt.

Israel is always going to be something of a bugaboo; historically the Jewish People have been hosed pretty hard and that always was and always will be a tragic thing. Whats going on there now, is just the continuing family feud that goes back to biblical times, this doesnt justify it or make it right. But when you come down to it, all a feud is people who by all rights should be on the same team, aren't and are willing to be as bloody as they can before (in their minds) it gets done to them first. There's always gonna be politicians who fancy themselves lords of war, and they don't care how many men women and children they have to leave dead, bloodied, and dying on the way to their "legacy". All I know for sure is there are the people making orders at the top, and people dying down at the bottom.

There's not gonna be any real moral high ground from any side involved. That's for when the dust settles if anyone is left alive to care. War is a house of cards with a foundation that enough people believe is ingrained in our dna, that it doesnt matter if its all bullshit leading towards MADness. People who think during times like this, don't pour gas on the fire. But Thinking takes more time than reacting, and right now, we're still in the stages of people are just reacting. A wise Chief Master Sergent once said: "It's not the politician running off at the mouth you gotta worry about. It's what they're not telling you that'll get everyone killed."

Countries don't have morals, they have interests, and they're all playing dirty pool to gamble on them.
We're gonna be seeing how good of a gambler Israel is. Hopefully they learn lessons from the US's mistakes, but The Prime Minister strikes me as a man who needs to try to carry the cat by the tail before he learns a lesson everyone he knows is gonna wish he didn't need to learn.

I'm personally not going to judge anyone for insisting on proportionality in response or vice versa. I'd much rather a hand full of war hawks driving the bus in the hallowed halls of power accidentally drink poison or get slipped in the shower rather than see soldiers or civilians catch bullets and bombs. Wet works, but most people need to see results that don't raise those kinds of tricky questions. I suspect its because one brings a spectacle and the other is quiet surgery.

Regarding the including comic video: People want fair, they have to wait till after the grave, but by then I don't think they'll care as much. You know how all over the place big families can be. There's nothing much he could say that would upset me personally, I had to make peace with how close to death we all always are, all the time, but then there's a lot I could say that would make him tell more jokes to keep from screaming. I respect a comic who gets out there like this during these kinds of times. There are always more than two sides and the machine gets steered from the back. He's on so much point for the discourse on selective humanism, and the timing of vegans. But Jeruselem has over the centuries become more than a place to too many people to be anything but a hill to die on, they'll never get rid of it. Its too valuable in blood, and you can't have a bloody feud without blood.

Hamas can go fuck itself, and so can the Prime Minister, just like the Taliban and Bush could 20 years ago. Because none of it happens in a vacuum and intelligence works harder than that. The important thing everyone needs to remember is not to panic into escalation.

Always appreciate your posts herring, thanks for the conversation, and introducing me to this comedian. I'll be checking out more of his stuff.
In case anybody doesn't know this, I suppose it is necessary to establish the following:

  1. I have a lot of Jewish heritage, but have come to see my religion lately as "None" based on a French Canadian movie I saw last year with a character with similar parentage to myself. (In it, I learned that Catholics traditionally see religion as coming from the father, naturally, which was the other piece of the equation I did not know.)
  2. I've never been to Israel. (In fact, I've never left the Americas.)
I think all that I can work out from all of this at the moment is this:
  1. Screw Hamas.
  2. Civilian casualties should be avoided at all costs. I'm not really willing to engage with all the evasiveness around this, about how they don't matter or count or people shouldn't have been there, etc, etc. It's not new. As soon as I heard about this attack by Hamas, I knew there would be massive civilian casualties, because there always is everytime something like this happens. I don't want to be the sort of person who decides that it doesn't matter because it's not my "side".
Otherwise, too much confusion. Can't get no relief. What was with that Palestinian hospital that was supposedly bombed by Israel, but then supposedly was an accidental strike by Hamas? What am I supposed to make of this stuff? This whole conflict will be like this. I see my loyalty as to the truth, but the problem is that's really hard to find, behind the two points listed above. I wish I was still allowed to take really stiff drinks, but doctor's orders and all.
 
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Writing in Slate is like preaching to the choir but, it's a start.


AIPAC a “cancerous presence on our democracy and politics.” and while I'm loathe to agree with George HW Bush, he had it exactly right about them.

https://www.wrmea.org/2019-january-...p-to-the-israel-lobby-and-paid-the-price.html

They're just as dangerous as any other right wing, ultranationalist group.
 
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Writing in Slate is like preaching to the choir but, it's a start.

It started after the House voted, on Oct. 25, to pass a resolution pledging unwavering support for Israel. This is already the de facto policy in Washington, and the resolution made no mention of the skyrocketing number of civilian casualties in Gaza.

Why am I not surprised? Anyway, I've always liked Slate.
 
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There's what you see and what you don't see. Mind the gap.​
 

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No one wants to stop working anymore 😭

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Recall 20 years ago around this time, there were parts of the US govt, who was talking similar. This is not really any different in the saber rattling. They won't nuke Gaza, its too close to them. But no one in government wants a peon who works for them on the radio talking outloud to the public, the kind of thing that the public just doesnt have the training to deal with. But the talk on the inside is gonna be like this, but typically worse. On the radio you're not supposed to hear 20 years ago: "we're gonna bomb those terroistic towel heads back to the stone age." However, behind closed doors and in the email spam folders thats exactly what you find.
This was fucking everywhere then. (its not weird al btw)
While this was never my jam it was never the less part of the scuttlebutt.

Israel is always going to be something of a bugaboo; historically the Jewish People have been hosed pretty hard and that always was and always will be a tragic thing. Whats going on there now, is just the continuing family feud that goes back to biblical times, this doesnt justify it or make it right. But when you come down to it, all a feud is people who by all rights should be on the same team, aren't and are willing to be as bloody as they can before (in their minds) it gets done to them first. There's always gonna be politicians who fancy themselves lords of war, and they don't care how many men women and children they have to leave dead, bloodied, and dying on the way to their "legacy". All I know for sure is there are the people making orders at the top, and people dying down at the bottom.

There's not gonna be any real moral high ground from any side involved. That's for when the dust settles if anyone is left alive to care. War is a house of cards with a foundation that enough people believe is ingrained in our dna, that it doesnt matter if its all bullshit leading towards MADness. People who think during times like this, don't pour gas on the fire. But Thinking takes more time than reacting, and right now, we're still in the stages of people are just reacting. A wise Chief Master Sergent once said: "It's not the politician running off at the mouth you gotta worry about. It's what they're not telling you that'll get everyone killed."

Countries don't have morals, they have interests, and they're all playing dirty pool to gamble on them.
We're gonna be seeing how good of a gambler Israel is. Hopefully they learn lessons from the US's mistakes, but The Prime Minister strikes me as a man who needs to try to carry the cat by the tail before he learns a lesson everyone he knows is gonna wish he didn't need to learn.

I'm personally not going to judge anyone for insisting on proportionality in response or vice versa. I'd much rather a hand full of war hawks driving the bus in the hallowed halls of power accidentally drink poison or get slipped in the shower rather than see soldiers or civilians catch bullets and bombs. Wet works, but most people need to see results that don't raise those kinds of tricky questions. I suspect its because one brings a spectacle and the other is quiet surgery.

Regarding the including comic video: People want fair, they have to wait till after the grave, but by then I don't think they'll care as much. You know how all over the place big families can be. There's nothing much he could say that would upset me personally, I had to make peace with how close to death we all always are, all the time, but then there's a lot I could say that would make him tell more jokes to keep from screaming. I respect a comic who gets out there like this during these kinds of times. There are always more than two sides and the machine gets steered from the back. He's on so much point for the discourse on selective humanism, and the timing of vegans. But Jeruselem has over the centuries become more than a place to too many people to be anything but a hill to die on, they'll never get rid of it. Its too valuable in blood, and you can't have a bloody feud without blood.

Hamas can go fuck itself, and so can the Prime Minister, just like the Taliban and Bush could 20 years ago. Because none of it happens in a vacuum and intelligence works harder than that. The important thing everyone needs to remember is not to panic into escalation.

Always appreciate your posts herring, thanks for the conversation, and introducing me to this comedian. I'll be checking out more of his stuff.
It's incredibly tiring to explain that the govt. of Israel isn't the Jewish people. Not in my mind and not by any stretch of the imagination. The same way I'm not the US government and no one can really use the representative government excuse anymore either. This is why I'm heartened (but not surprised) to see Jews being vocally not ok with any of this since Oct. 7. Around here, protests are Jews and Arabs arm and arm so maybe that makes me feel more hopeful than I should.

That said, I'm 100% certain that Israel would nuke Iran if given even the slightest chance and I don't think an Israeli regime change would change that. Netanyahu belongs in the Hague though - this shouldn't even be a conversation.
 
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When has employees not quitting ever been a 'headache' for bosses really? No corporation I have ever seen bats an eye about throwing employees overboard.

I recall musing to coworkers that the company I worked for had a code phrase for impending layoffs. That code phrase was "employees are our most valuable asset". Whenever corporate missives started including that phrase, hold on to your paycheck, because downsizing is imminent.
 

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Giving life and personhood to a thing that was born dead is how horror movies start. Being eaten by the monster at the end is common. Being born inside the monster so it can spend your whole life slowly digesting you. That's life. There are some things money can't buy.(Escape) For everything else.(Run) There's mastercard.(Don't let it get you)
 

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Sherman High School serves approximately 2,100 students in North Texas, including Max Hightower, a trans boy who has long been active in his school’s theater department, according to a report from CBS affiliate KXII. In this year’s planned production of the classic 1943 Rodgers and Hammerstein musical, Hightower was cast as the show’s male lead Curly. But days after he earned the role, his father Philip Hightower says, SHS principal Scott Johnston informed him that Max would not be allowed to perform.

In the phone call, Johnston allegedly described a new rule specifying that “actors and actresses could only play a role that was the same gender they were assigned at birth,” as Philip Hightower paraphrased it in an interview with KXII. “I was devastated,” the father added...

The insanity here, in regards to historical awareness -- ever heard of Shakespeare and theater groups for centuries playing parts regardless of the cast person's gender? There's a long tradition of men playing women in show and vice versa.

They are also complaining about content of the musical Oklahoma from 1943:
“It was brought to the District’s attention that the current production contained mature adult themes, profane language, and sexual content

cesspool of depravity, I know
 

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The insanity here, in regards to historical awareness -- ever heard of Shakespeare and theater groups for centuries playing parts regardless of the cast person's gender? There's a long tradition of men playing women in show and vice versa.

They are also complaining about content of the musical Oklahoma from 1943:


cesspool of depravity, I know
An Oscar award winning movie about this exact thing exists but clearly no one was allowed to see it in Texas.
 

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Ohio voters approve ballot measure to legalize recreational marijuana

Ohio votes in favor of amending the state constitution to enshrine abortion rights

Democratic Gov. Andy Beshear reelected to second term in Kentucky, overcoming state’s GOP dominance

Virginia Democrats appear on track to keep majority in state senate

But yes, mainstream media, tell me again how these results once again spell disaster for the Democratic party and Joe Biden. Quick! Somebody share a poll of Trump beating Biden, polling people who still willingly answer land-line telephones and use AOL disks as their primary point of access to the internet
 
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Good for Ohio.

I still think Biden is a dangerous alternative to Trump (as in, he might lose) but it looks like the Dems are determined to play with fire regardless. Good news that anti-abortion seems a universally unpopular issue, and religious nut Republicans who can't get away from it might sink the whole ship. Trump will soften his stance on abortion though if it hurts him in the polls (he's already talked about getting the number of weeks 'right' when it comes to the topic). And then his acolytes usually fall in line despite what they might otherwise say.

I did notice on CNN there are some polls being taken that show a "generic Democrat" polling ahead of Trump. Maybe all these polls are nonsense, but it's a sad comment on Biden/Harris when "just anybody" polls as a better alternative. Of course, that is what I have been saying, so it's easy for me to agree.
 

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It is good that democrats took most of what was on the table yesterday. Here you wouldn't get an argument from me. Plus Republicans winning is the polls is perhaps exactly the type of PR that Democrats need.


The only problem is the aspect: is this really representative of 2024. After all good chunk of MAGA people are saying that their loyalty is to Trump, not the party. So if he isn't on the ballot the question is how much all of this is representative in the big picture. Trump so far didn't show up in any of the primary debates and his numbers in the party are going up. What clearly indicates that MAGA and GOP aren't exactly the same thing at this point. What can easily lead to wrong conclusions. US people are used to think in the terms of two parties, while it is evidently that in the reality you have more than two parties. So here we probably have mostly the numbers of just the GOP. However if MAGA jumps fully on board the final picture could be different. Therefore causion is advised, because it isn't fully clear what we saw in these elections.
 

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And here is the obvious proof of what I just said.





State wide races in Kentucky when it comes to actual votes.


2020

R: Trump 1 326 000
D: Biden 772 000


2023

D: Bashear 693 000
R: Cameron 627 000



What very clearly indicates that MAGA didn't show up for the most part. The number of Republicans is about a half of what it used to be. But these people didn't go anywhere, they simply stayed home (probably because Cameron is black) . Therefore someomes you just have to watch at the actual number of votes to get the full picture. What genuinly opens the question if yesterday was really the representative example for 2024. Therefore I advise causion.
 
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