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This guy comes more from my perspective. I was super into OWOD and I got on board with NWOD pretty quick and I still dont see the underworld series on general principle for ending the old WOD
 

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ROFL what a dick.

That being said, maybe in our last campaign there was one beast (?) -- I am not sure, because some of it blends in with Changeling and Werewolf. We definitely ran across NPCs (some friends, some foes) of each type, especially hunters (who worked for the conspiracy). I'm not really excited much by hunters either, it feels kind of boring.

Werewolf is definitely the big kick-ass physical melee build. They are absolutely brutal and never seem to permanently die.

However, I found the Mages to be really overpowered depending on the build. They are versatile and can bend their spells / apply them in different scenarios, and just can do impossible things as needed.

Deviants really is more checked-and-balanced, and about the only outrageous things i've noticed in gameplay is that if you buy Rapid Healing 5, you never die -- and too many fucking people buy Rapid Healing 5 (which also should be including a horrific scar). Too many people have had Rapid Healing 5 and I'm not sure what scar is impacting them if any -- it should be debilitating -- and I don't think it really fits the character concepts for some people but they just bought it anyway. I did not buy it because I was trying to be true to my character; Zahra mitigates by being Bloodless (turning all physical lethal damage to bashing), being invulnerable to certain elements (like fire), and using use Inhuman Digestion at range to do agg + heal the same amount done -- and I'll buy Carapace for her if the campaign is going on so she'll have inherent 2/4 flak jacket protection due to what she's made out of. Even not taking lethal damage from bullets, right now if a few people shoot her at once, it can wrap around into lethal and disable her, which is just dumb; hence needing bulletproof protection.

One thing I appreciate more about CoD is that it's not dependent hard-and-fast on a game map. D&D and Pathfinder and many games are so dependent on specific movement / positioning and you have to do a lot of practical maneuvering to utilize your abilities. CoD is more raw storytelling.
The contagion campaign is the crossover event that blends all the systems. It looks neat.

I agree about the storytelling over maps.

Deviant looks like a lot of fun also
 

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I will say I feel like Beast is a game Ive been looking for the idea of being a fear eater, I have some ideas for a campaign along those lines.
 

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This guy comes more from my perspective. I was super into OWOD and I got on board with NWOD pretty quick and I still dont see the underworld series on general principle for ending the old WOD
I saw a post on ENWorld from 2003 about that:

Before I saw the movie, it seemed fairly similar, from previews and whatnot. After seeing it, I'm much less convinced.

There were a lot of similarities that are trivial, things from mythology (sunlight kills vamps, silver hurts werewolves, get bit to get infected, blah blah). There were also some differences from mythology, but they aren't WW-specific. For instance, Underworld vampires didn't have to be invited into a house. WW vamps don't either, Buffy vamps do, Anne Rice vamps don't, Blade vamps don't. Flip a coin, apparently.

Underworld vamps and werewolves were infected beings, you get the virus and you turn. You don't have to die first to be a vamp, apparently. That's not WW at all.

Underworld werewolves weren't clan-based, there was just one group of them apparently. They were also apparently immortal, like vamps. Not WW.

Underworld vamps weren't clan-based. There was apparently an american coven and european coven, but that's not WW-specific, anne rice and Buffy both had organizations of vampires. Had there been different clans with different powers, I might have bought it.

Never really saw many powers from either group, except they were all strong and fast. Eh. The vamps seemed to get stronger as they got older, but that's not WW specific either. There was no concept of generations like you find it Vampire: the Masquerade.

The part that killed most of the similarities for me was the virus. Both groups were descendants of one man, some nobleman in the 4th or 5th century, who survived some kind of plague. His children inherited the virus, which made one of them a vampire, one a werewolf, and one normal but a carrier. There's nothing like that in WW at all. WW is "Caine is the angsty forefather of vamps" and "Garou are the tree-hugging children of Gaia", and they have no familial tie.

WW claimed in their suit that a bunch of trivial elements added up to make the Underworld setting similar enough to the World of Darkness that it was infringing. I didn't see it. The clans and tribes of the WoD are central to the setting, and they just weren't in the movie. The look and feel was "vampire-werewolf shoot-em-up w/Matrix", not WoD.

The one part that screamed WoD to me was the "abomination". The concept of it could go either way, and the method of creating one wasn't the same as the game world, but to use that name for that concept was pretty blatent.

The story WW is saying is similar, "Love of Monsters", I haven't read, there could be some plot similarities in there. That might be where they got the "abomination" concept too. So the whole case really has to do with that story, I think, because the movie isn't very WW-ish at all.

Anyway, there are similarities, you can tell they both pull from the same general concepts but I would not see them as derived any more than all vampire movies are based on the legend of vampires.

The sad part about Underworld is that it should have been so much better than it ended up being. I mean, beggars can't be choosers, and the first Underworld is pretty cool -- and I think they did their best move by actually having decent actors involved who so much elevate the material (Bill Nighy, Michael Sheen, Kate Beckinsale, and Scott Speedman was even okay in his role). But they always produced it like a niche/schlock dark fantasy film series versus taking it more seriously from a writing and directing perspective, so it never gets quite out of "B flick" territory. SO much cool, but not as much realization of the concepts. Plus, they didn't pace it well -- it's like if Tolkien kills off Sauron as they leave The Shire, and then Sauron dies when they reach Rivendell.

And after you get past the first two, the third one is a needless prequel, and the later films are just recycled batshit.

They need Mike Flanagan to revitalize the property ROFL, like he's doing with the Exorcist and did with Ouija.
 

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I saw a post on ENWorld from 2003 about that:



Anyway, there are similarities, you can tell they both pull from the same general concepts but I would not see them as derived any more than all vampire movies are based on the legend of vampires.

The sad part about Underworld is that it should have been so much better than it ended up being. I mean, beggars can't be choosers, and the first Underworld is pretty cool -- and I think they did their best move by actually having decent actors involved who so much elevate the material (Bill Nighy, Michael Sheen, Kate Beckinsale, and Scott Speedman was even okay in his role). But they always produced it like a niche/schlock dark fantasy film series versus taking it more seriously from a writing and directing perspective, so it never gets quite out of "B flick" territory. SO much cool, but not as much realization of the concepts. Plus, they didn't pace it well -- it's like if Tolkien kills off Sauron as they leave The Shire, and then Sauron dies when they reach Rivendell.

And after you get past the first two, the third one is a needless prequel, and the later films are just recycled batshit.

They need Mike Flanagan to revitalize the property ROFL, like he's doing with the Exorcist and did with Ouija.
I did see the first one. Not because I had a crush on Kate Beckinsale(It was) Bill Nighy is like my celebrity free candy. I never know where he's going to turn up but I'm always pleasantly surprised.
 

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I did see the first one. Not because I had a crush on Kate Beckinsale(It was) Bill Nighy is like my celebrity free candy. I never know where he's going to turn up but I'm always pleasantly surprised.
He and Michael Sheen were just great in that film.
 

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White wolf will always be my favorite.
But I've been pleased as punch with Onyx Path Publishing.
I think I like the Chronicles of Darkness better than Old World of Darkness in many ways, but I have had few books Ive enjoyed reading as much or been inspired so much as old world of darkness source books. The lore was so rich and the books were so well written. I used to read them as writing guides/entertainment long before I ever actually got to play.​
 

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We finished our final current chapter of the Deviant campaign last night, in a final all-out battle against our evil counterpart team working for the conspiracy.

Those fools were too cocky and came after us too individually, which was just enough (with our tactical knowledge of the facility layout) to let us concentrate-burst a few of them, thank goodness. It wasn't cool they all had Rapid Heal 5, but we disabled them all enough to get through THEIR portal and catch the other mad scientist we were trying to grab, then get out of dodge.

We hope to revisit this campaign in the future, although the locale might change and we'll have to figure out a way to fit into Europe (as we're all Egyptian and only a few of us speak English, let alone the European languages).

Specimen #5 is a lucid telepathic King Cobra that had been experimented on inside the facilities. (There was also a semi-aware crocodile and a cat that could phase -- along with one human subject we found.)

Silent is one of their number we met in our second session, a trained assassin with Wolverine-like abilities, and a lamprey mouth (so she can't speak, she can only talk through pictures in her mind). She was mostly held by the mad doctor due to his having possession of her boyfriend, the portal master, who was too weak to escape. She defected to our team for weeks but was recently recaptured and we feared she would be reconditioned to attack us.

 
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Ok so if I'm understanding correctly Deviant seems to be the CoD version of mutants/"xmen" Maybe a bit of Angel (the big corporation)thrown in there too.
Hunter the Vigil is Supernatural.
Changeling the Lost is Lost Girl
Mage the Awakening is the Dresden Files
Werewolf the Forsaken is Stranger Things
Geist the Sin Eaters is The Frighteners
Mummy The Curse is a literal Mummy's Curse from the Mummy series.
Demon The Fallen is Terminator series.
Beast the Primordial is John Carpenter horror.
Vampire the Requiem is Gotham City by Night with more compelling batmen.

Thoughts?
 

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Ok so if I'm understanding correctly Deviant seems to be the CoD version of mutants/"xmen" Maybe a bit of Angel (the big corporation)thrown in there too.
Yeah, mutant/experiments prone to mental breakdown but trying to take out the people who "made them that way" aka the conspiracy in a big blaze of glory before they implode.

Hunter the Vigil is Supernatural.
Changeling the Lost is Lost Girl
Mage the Awakening is the Dresden Files
yeah.
Werewolf the Forsaken is Stranger Things
No, not really. Stranger Things itself is just a bunch of nerdy 1980-2010's shit thrown together insensibly -- it's more like Akira, AD&D 1st edition, and Tales from the Darkside, along with Stand by Me, but not done as well as any of those. (Season 4 is a high point, though.)

Geist the Sin Eaters is The Frighteners
Mummy The Curse is a literal Mummy's Curse from the Mummy series.
I think?
Demon The Fallen is Terminator series.
Beast the Primordial is John Carpenter horror.
I don't know either gamebook well.
Vampire the Requiem is Gotham City by Night with more compelling batmen.
eh?

I don't know Gotham City by Night. It's pretty much Underworld or vice versa, just with a lot more organization and structure to vampire society that is explored in the game.
 

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Yeah, mutant/experiments prone to mental breakdown but trying to take out the people who "made them that way" aka the conspiracy in a big blaze of glory before they implode.


yeah.

No, not really. Stranger Things itself is just a bunch of nerdy 1980-2010's shit thrown together insensibly -- it's more like Akira, AD&D 1st edition, and Tales from the Darkside, along with Stand by Me, but not done as well as any of those. (Season 4 is a high point, though.)


I think?

I don't know either gamebook well.

eh?

I don't know Gotham City by Night. It's pretty much Underworld or vice versa, just with a lot more organization and structure to vampire society that is explored in the game.
It was mostly a joke on the last part, but a big part of requiem second edition are the Strix, and they're vampyric shadow owls, so vampires commonly associated with bats, and an antagonistic parliament of owls, I couldnt resist.
 
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It was mostly a joke on the last part, but a big part of requiem second edition are the Strix, and they're vampyric shadow owls, so vampires commonly associated with bats, and an antagonistic parliament of owls, I couldnt resist.
It's too bad I changed my avatar to a white raven.
 

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Oh look at that, I thought it was an egret trying not to fall out of a tree. Neat.
It could be an egret with multiple personality disorder that thinks it is a raven, trying not to fall out of a tree?
 

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Mark my words, other entertainment companies are doing it too. Looking at you Disney.​
 

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I would enjoy a retelling of the raven, but instead of a raven haunting a man in a mansion its an egret who keeps landing on the hood of a guys car in stand still traffic. He finds the egret amusing at first, but then its stern unblinking eyes remind him of his judgemental inset family member here, and slowly goes insane. It really works with the "Nevermind." God Lenore why are you like that?
 

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I think Audrey II fits nicely as an antagonist for CoD especially Changeling The Lost.
What is thought to be just a rare type of goblin plant turns out to be a trap by one of the freehold's changeling's old Keepers, who put one of their titles into a clipping from the Hedge and left it at a Goblin Market. Once in the Mortal world it acts as a conduit to Arcadia, and when it gets big enough. It becomes A Huntsman, anything it devours is transported through the hedge into The Gentry's personal garden in Arcadia. I would have it call itself Yog Sothoth. For it is both the Key and The Gate.​
 

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A Chronicles of Darkness mortal/introductory chronicle:
In the criminal Justice System, Supernatural based offense are considered especially mysterious. In New York City the dedicated detectives who investigate these mysterious happenings are members of a special investigations office operating out of the 13th Precinct. These are their stories. Law and Order: Tales from the 13th precinct.
 
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