Are You Racist? You May Just Be According To This New List

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Truth. No one's perfect and people are inherently biased towards those that look more like them. It's just a fact of human nature. I have more respect for people who can own that than those who try to pretend otherwise. You can at least have an honest conversation with the first sort, and even get insight into your own biases and prejudices. It's just a more valuable exchange overall.

Are there any groups you feel animosity towards?

 

[violet_crown]

Are there any groups you feel animosity towards?

INTPs that think they'd be sorted to Ravenclaw.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

INTPs that think they'd be sorted to Ravenclaw.

I'd say I'm really more of a Gryffinclaw. I have a brave, daring side to me.

I'm like Yoda in some ways. I threw everything I has into fighting a big bad many years ago. I learned what I could to find out the weaknesses. Now I'm hiding out.

I don't regret voting for Obama, by the way.

 

[Opal]

Truth. No one's perfect and people are inherently biased towards those that look more like them. It's just a fact of human nature. I have more respect for people who can own that than those who try to pretend otherwise. You can at least have an honest conversation with the first sort, and even get insight into your own biases and prejudices. It's just a more valuable exchange overall.

Imagine a fully depersonalized society.

 

[violet_crown]

Imagine a fully depersonalized society.

I dont want to be nothing. This is the point behind taking issue with "colorblindness". My history, heritage and experience are fundamentally different than yours. When you talk about colorblindness it is to me to say, the only way I am to accept your difference is to act as though it doesnt exist at all.

I'd say I'm really more of a Gryffinclaw. I have a brave, daring side to me.

I'm like Yoda in some ways. I threw everything I has into fighting a big bad many years ago. Now I'm hiding out.

I don't care. Quit stalking me, indignation, etc.

 

[Crabs]

Truth. No one's perfect and people are inherently biased towards those that look more like them. It's just a fact of human nature. I have more respect for people who can own that than those who try to pretend otherwise. You can at least have an honest conversation with the first sort, and even get insight into your own biases and prejudices. It's just a more valuable exchange overall.

The problem is, the word racism is rarely used in that context, as a universal trait that EVERYONE has. Even at that, some people seem to exemplify the opposite, such as Rachel Dolezal whom, according to her own brother, tried to indoctrinate him with white-hate. And there's no shortage of whites who have been guilted into a similar mindset. This is why the term racism has lost any real value in these types of discussions. It's an ill-defined concept in modern usage and often serves as a red herring for the actual issues being attributed to racism.

 

[violet_crown]

The problem is, the word racism is rarely used in that context, as a universal trait that EVERYONE has. Even at that, some people seem to exemplify the opposite, such as Rachel Dolezal whom according to her own brother tried to indoctrinate him with white-hate. And there's no shortage of whites who have been guilted into a similar mindset. This is why the term racism has lost any real value in these types of discussions. It's an ill-defined concept in modern usage and often serves as a red herring for the actual issues being attributed to racism.

Here's the difference as far as I can see it:

While anyone can be racist, the racism I may hold or any other minority may harbor is not a fundamental feature of the institutions that define this country. Your racism matters as a presumably white person because, as of now, you run things.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Barack Obama is white? Mayor Nutter is white?

 

[Opal]

I dont want to be nothing. This is the point behind taking issue with "colorblindness". My history, heritage and experience are fundamentally different than yours. When you talk about colorblindness it is to me to say, the only way I am to accept your difference is to act as though it doesnt exist at all.

Fair enough. We took very different paths to TypologyCentral, and we reflect that. My hardships have less to do with race, so it defines me less, but I suppose that's a symptom of privilege. (though, to be fair, everyone is privileged for the hardships they avoid)

Hopefully we reach a point soon where racial inequality is a cautionary tale in history books.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

(though, to be fair, everyone is privileged for the hardships they avoid)

Yes, this is an excellent point.

 

[violet_crown]

Fair enough. We took very different paths to TypologyCentral, and we reflect that. My hardships have less to do with race, so it defines me less, but I suppose that's a symptom of privilege. (though, to be fair, everyone is privileged for the hardships they avoid)

Hopefully we reach a point soon where racial inequality is a cautionary tale in history books.

Amen.

 

[Crabs]

Here's the difference as far as I can see it:

While anyone can be racist, the racism I may hold or any other minority may harbor is not a fundamental feature of the institutions that define this country. Your racism matters as a presumably white person because, as of now, you run things.

There's no doubt that this country was founded on institutional racism in the form of slavery and that a lack of financial resources is a big factor in the current state of affairs. There also seems to be a cultural clash of sorts which I think is largely responsible for "racial tensions." I put that in quotes because I don't believe that cultural attributes are racially-specific. Of course, most cultural traits are a result of the environment a person grows up in, which in the case of many blacks, is poverty. Not to discount legitimate racists in the truest sense, like the Charleston shooter, it appears to me that modern racism is blown way out of proportion; although the residual effects of racism in the past have undoubtedly contributed to the current circumstances. I also realize that it's easier for a person on the outside of a problem to critique it objectively when they don't have personal experience on the matter - that's not to say that my objective reasoning isn't influenced by my own subjective perspective and values, however.

But most often when I see the race card being used, it's to deflect responsibility and excuse bad behavior. I've seen this several times in the workplace and I'm appalled when someone claims that their skin color is why people don't get along with them, when they are being rude, disrespectful and contentious toward others. Some of those behaviors may even be defensive in nature because they feel like they're being judged or discriminated against in some way, therefore, it's justified in their mind. If someone grows up being told that an omnipotent oppressor is there to keep them down and prevent them from being successful in life, those ideas will probably influence their sense of identity, attitudes and goals for the future. Who is perpetuating this self-defeating worldview? Is there a white overlord whispering in their ears or is it their peers, parents and cultural influences (music)? The birth rate for the lower class is exponentially higher than it is for those who have the means to financially take care of their children, and in many cases, these children are being raised by a single parent. If they're not being taught values at home to succeed in life and avoid criminal behavior, most likely they will end up as another statistic in the prison system.

Obviously, this problem is multifaceted and I'm not claiming that racism, particularly in the past, hasn't had a major impact on the current situation. But if a person adopts antisocial behaviors, they're not going to be well-received in the workplace nor probably any area of their life. It doesn't matter how much money the government invests in social programs; until there is a change of values and perspective, the problem will continue to repeat itself. That might seem overly-simplistic, but I think behaviors play a much larger role in racial tensions than skin color. And to accuse someone of being a racist for judging a person based on their behavior is, in my opinion, faulty reasoning and only leads to further misunderstanding and hostility.

 

[Frosty]

Alright time to expand.


I think that everyone is racist, in the same way that everyone just fundementally has any sort of preference.

Influences are everywhere, genes, environment, individual interpretations, that eventually making a judgement seems inevitable.

That is why I think that this list is absolute bunk. There are far too many gray areas with race as to pick and label and perpetuate a one sided image of what is and isn't.

 

[Pandemeria]

Alright time to expand.


I think that everyone is racist, in the same way that everyone just fundementally has any sort of preference.

Influences are everywhere, genes, environment, individual interpretations, that eventually making a judgement seems inevitable.

That is why I think that this list is absolute bunk. There are far too many gray areas with race as to pick and label and perpetuate a one sided image of what is and isn't.

Yes, and there's a difference between people being outright racist and simply rude. People can be rude without meaning to be.

Unfortunately, the climate of university and college campuses in the past few years has been hyper-sensitive and steeped in radical leftist ideologies. It's doubtful that these 'communist', and 'socialist' twenty-somethings would feel so affectionate for Maoist and Marxist regimes if they actually had to live under them.

 

[Patrick]

Unfortunately, the climate of university and college campuses in the past few years has been hyper-sensitive and steeped in radical leftist ideologies. It's doubtful that these 'communist', and 'socialist' twenty-somethings would feel so affectionate for Maoist and Marxist regimes if they actually had to live under them.

How insensitive! What are you--some kind of ideological bigot?

 

[Pandemeria]

How insensitive! What are you--some kind of ideological bigot?

Indeed I am, which is why I must be publicly tomatoed to death.

 

[Mane]

– Asking someone where they are from or where they were born.
A/S/L?
*Slaps you around with a large trout*

– Telling someone they speak good English.
I was sarcastic.

– Complimenting an Asian person by telling them they are very articulate.
To be fair, I was raising him.

– Asking an Asian person for help with science or math.
Usually [MENTION=825]ygolo[/MENTION].

– Uttering the phrase “There is only one race, the human race.”
I had a weird Peter Paul & Mary Phase... It's ok, it's all over now.

– Saying that you think America is a melting pot and that when you look at someone you don’t see race.
How else am I going to get to see the Goobacks?

– Believing that the most qualified person, regardless of race, should get the job.
But I just believe in making good moneyz

– Thinking that every person, regardless of race, can succeed in society if they work hard enough.
Technically true (Even if the qualification of "Working hard enough" is far from equal and may just include "Successfully leading a militant uprising").

– Telling a black person who is being too loud to be quiet.
I haven't actually done it yet, but I plan too.

– Telling an Asian or Latino person who is too quiet to speak up.
Again, was raising him...

– Mistaking a person of color for a staff member when you’re in a store.
hahaha, people of color can be employed?

– Calling something “gay”.
She is gay!

– Doing an impression of someone’s dialect or accent.
Yes. So far nobody can tell when I do it, but yes.

– Telling someone that you have several black friends.
– Saying that you’re not a racist.
Oddly, I don't think I've done those two... Yet.

That makes 13/15. So close!

 

[Chrysanthea]

This list was obviously made by white people since it's always the whites who try so hard to come off as not racist by making obsessive rules about what's racist or not, while someone actually affected by racism would in reality probably not give a fuck as long as you don't make it obvious you hate or discriminate against them. <--- this wasn't racist because it's simply a cultural thing. If you're white you're expected to make up for the past by being not racist. But then some people take it too far and become anal about it.

One should use common sense rather than a stupid list of rules to figure out whether they're being racist or not. >.>

 

[Patrick]

Somehow this thread reminded me of a weird Web site I stumbled upon years ago . . .

Yep, it's still around ... but ... TRIGGER WARNING!

Black People Love Us!

 

[Bush]

Somehow this thread reminded me of a weird Web site I stumbled upon years ago . . .

Yep, it's still around:
Black People Love Us!

Trigger warning that please