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How is a land value tax different from a property tax? If it is not directly linked to ability to pay (i.e. income), I would not be in favor. We already have far too many taxes that are regressive in this respect.
Just judging from the brief research they did, land value taxes aren't increased upon improvements on the property, like buildings. This I suppose would motivate landowners to build things upon the land since they could overcome the costs of the taxes. I would also assume this would decrease the existence of vacant lots.

@Kingu Kurimuzon probably knows more, and could confirm or deny anything I'm saying.
 

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Always follow the Money to find your answers.

Dear DNC... stop hiring foxes to guard the hen house.
Stop LISTENING TO BILLIONAIRES and REPRESENT THE PEOPLE YOU FUCKING COLABORATORS.

When you stop mistaking collaboration with confusion the dnc starts making perfect sense as to why it makes the seemingly allergic to winning choices. Your enemy is not your neighbor. It's not different colors, not different cultures, not different sexes or genders or orientation. Your enemy is not your fellow poors or working class people, it is the 1%

This is why Dems like Fancy Nancy are always saying we need a strong republican party. She's day trading right behind them.​
 

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How is a land value tax different from a property tax? If it is not directly linked to ability to pay (i.e. income), I would not be in favor. We already have far too many taxes that are regressive in this respect.
It's a method of assessing property taxes. So instead of structures or buildings or houses on the land, it considers the value of the land itself.
 

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Yep, velocity of money, I think is what some economists call that. Keeping more money pumped into the economy. It seems like common sense. It would be a constant economic stimulus.


Yes, they (the old rich) will always look for loopholes and shortcuts to preserve their financial legacies

There will always be a black market but I think that’s one thing that can be mitigated with fewer regulations on certain products and services. Depends on the service though. Healthcare should be heavily regulated and centralized, for instance, but certain other services or products, not so much

That is my biggest complaint about education in the US—we don’t provide a mandatory schooling on basic financial literacy, how to save money and spend within one’s means. It’s no wonder we’re a nation of debtors.

Yes, start them on a local/communal scale and they are more likely to gain momentum and popularity. I don’t think you can just implement these sorts of policies suddenly from the top down and expect success or support for them.

I support a land value tax but the best examples of it working are in localities.

As long as everyone has their basic needs met and people aren’t living in poverty, I have no problem With economic inequalities.

I would support a sort of economic based affirmative action program in the USA

I like the idea of a constant economic stimulus, that's a good way to frame it.

The problem with the legacies, besides the political designs they seem to frequently have when they have enough money already, is that they have an incredible impact in terms of consumption, you could wipe out entire nations or even greater numbers with famine, pestilence, war, disease and it wouldnt amount to the same as a single old money trillionaire.

All the Malthusian "useless eater" stuff, which, along with a bunch of other nazi tropes, unquestionably part of pop culture now, place the blame in the wrong place.
 

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I was thinking lately, can you bracket the various factions in Star Wars or Star Trek in terms of modern political ideologies?

The Ferengi are the only ones that seem obviously "of a sort" if that makes sense, though I think they were meant to be a much more one dimensional "space pirate" than what they were kind of "fleshed out" to be.

I've heard people refer to the Federation as "socialist", or "UN liberalism", but I dont really see it, I know the "mirror" Federation, ie Earth Empire, is meant to be fascism or nazism with shades of Klingon influence but I'm kind of unsure about it sometimes.

The Peacekeeprs in Farscape are far, far more like the thing when it comes to "space nazis", that was a great show when I think about it.
 
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I was thinking lately, can you bracket the various factions in Star Wars or Star Trek in terms of modern political ideologies?

The Ferengi are the only ones that seem obviously "of a sort" if that makes sense, though I think they were meant to be a much more one dimensional "space pirate" than what they were kind of "fleshed out" to be.

I've heard people refer to the Federation as "socialist", or "UN liberalism", but I dont really see it, I know the "mirror" Federation, ie Earth Empire, is meant to be fascism or nazism with shades of Klingon influence but I'm kind of unsure about it sometimes.

The Peacekeeprs in Farscape are far, far more like the thing when it comes to "space nazis", that was a great show when I think about it.
The Empire in Star Wars is based on a few things, Nazis, the British Empire, and even post-war American politics (Nixon and America in Vietnam, according to George Lucas himself). It's usually marked by a fanatical obsession with order which does differ from the modern American far-right, which likes to at least frame itself differently as being about "liberty" in some way.

The Ferengi represent contemporary American society at the time (which still persists; Ferengi would definitely elect a person like Donald Trump as Grand Nagus, assuming that's a democratic position). Consider that TNG started in 87, in the decade of Gordon Gekko. It seems pretty clear to me when I watch that era of Trek, and I'm amazed people got hung up on this other thing.

The Federation is maybe what the viewers of the time liked to see ourselves as, but the Ferengi are the reality.
 

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The Empire in Star Wars is based on a few things, Nazis, the British Empire, and even post-war American politics (Nixon and America in Vietnam, according to George Lucas himself). It's usually marked by a fanatical obsession with order which does differ from the modern American far-right, which likes to at least frame itself differently as being about "liberty" in some way.

The Ferengi represent contemporary American society at the time (which still persists; Ferengi would definitely elect a person like Donald Trump as Grand Nagus, assuming that's a democratic position). Consider that TNG started in 87, in the decade of Gordon Gekko. It seems pretty clear to me when I watch that era of Trek, and I'm amazed people got hung up on this other thing.

The Federation is maybe what the viewers of the time liked to see ourselves as, but the Ferengi are the reality.
The Negus's greed must reflect the greed of the people. DT's does not.
 

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"Republicans are playing chess, and democrats are in the nurses office because they glued their balls to their thigh."
"The election we just had was a repudiation of the status quo, an overly regulated system that is no longer responsive to or delivering for the needs of the people...or their beloved be hatted squirrels."
"Republicans exploit the loops holes. Democrats complain about the norms over and over and over...and it has ghastly consequences."​
 

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The Empire in Star Wars is based on a few things, Nazis, the British Empire, and even post-war American politics (Nixon and America in Vietnam, according to George Lucas himself). It's usually marked by a fanatical obsession with order which does differ from the modern American far-right, which likes to at least frame itself differently as being about "liberty" in some way.

The Ferengi represent contemporary American society at the time (which still persists; Ferengi would definitely elect a person like Donald Trump as Grand Nagus, assuming that's a democratic position). Consider that TNG started in 87, in the decade of Gordon Gekko. It seems pretty clear to me when I watch that era of Trek, and I'm amazed people got hung up on this other thing.

The Federation is maybe what the viewers of the time liked to see ourselves as, but the Ferengi are the reality.

The US far right is weirdly anarchistic sometimes, I think the best description is in A Time To Kill when one of the white racists talks about "skinheads who want to blow up the government".

The left wing used to be like that, you had a bizarre anarchistic methodology with the ultimate aim of a totalitarian authoritarian order, ie stalinism.

That pattern has been one of the things that started me thinking along the lines of just how many of those trends are engineered, flags of convenience, fronts for crime or spooks agendas, unstable people or people with personality disorders just being channelled this way or that. Nothing new about that though, The Man Who Was Last Thursday or The Secret Agent deal with themes like that away back when the menace was the "mad anarchist bomber" type thing.

With regard to Trek, I never really thought of it as meaning anything other than sci fi, definitely in the case of TNG, rewatching the original series much later in life some of the episodes are mad cold war propaganda. Although A LOT of UK and US TV I recall growing up felt like the country was still fighting the second world war, especially in the UK at least, not in a "glory days" type nostalgia but literally as though it was still going on.

I first realized how political some of TNG may be when I heard it criticised on US far right and free marketeer websites as being commie propaganda or space commies, I'd never thought of it that way, those guys definitely identified as Ferengi but they criticised the first contact with the Ferengi in TNG as they attacked the Federation unprovoked which, you know, was supposedly not how free traders do buisness, plus free traders would never automatically think about enslaving strangers as the Ferengi did then.

Bizarrely, or maybe not so bizarrely as I dont know what you're opinion of it will be, but I've heard more recent punditry attacking the Ferengi as anti-semitic and suggesting that the big ears feature of that alien race is actually a reference to interwar anti-semitic cartoons of jews as possessing big noses etc. which is a bit of a sumersault if you ask me, I also dont know why the whole "jews as uber capitalists" is still a thing, or why Jewish sources would want to "own" that idea. Anyway.

Also what about V? That show was initially meant to be just about an invasion of communists, they went for the space and lizard angle when they decided that they couldnt sell it or it wouldnt be popular enough as a straightforward communist invasion idea. Which I think is crazy as a ton of the conspiracy theories of today about illuminati owl worshipping lizards seem to be derivative of that show.
 
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The US far right is weirdly anarchistic sometimes, I think the best description is in A Time To Kill when one of the white racists talks about "skinheads who want to blow up the government".

The left wing used to be like that, you had a bizarre anarchistic methodology with the ultimate aim of a totalitarian authoritarian order, ie stalinism.
That pattern has been one of the things that started me thinking along the lines of just how many of those trends are engineered, flags of convenience, fronts for crime or spooks agendas, unstable people or people with personality disorders just being channelled this way or that. Nothing new about that though, The Man Who Was Last Thursday or The Secret Agent deal with themes like that away back when the menace was the "mad anarchist bomber" type thing.

Something I'm interested in is the philosophical undercurrents of various forms of political thinking. People think philosophy has nothing to do with them, but somewhere down the line, they're being influenced by somebody who knows something about philosophy.

Anyway, I've known some anarchists in my day, and it seems like the ones who were interested in more than just self-righteous navel-gazing had the sense to vote for Bernie Sanders. I was delighted to learn that; it made me feel like I didn't totally waste my time back then.
With regard to Trek, I never really thought of it as meaning anything other than sci fi, definitely in the case of TNG, rewatching the original series much later in life some of the episodes are mad cold war propaganda. Although A LOT of UK and US TV I recall growing up felt like the country was still fighting the second world war, especially in the UK at least, not in a "glory days" type nostalgia but literally as though it was still going on.

I first realized how political some of TNG may be when I heard it criticised on US far right and free marketeer websites as being commie propaganda or space commies, I'd never thought of it that way, those guys definitely identified as Ferengi but they criticised the first contact with the Ferengi in TNG as they attacked the Federation unprovoked which, you know, was supposedly not how free traders do buisness, plus free traders would never automatically think about enslaving strangers as the Ferengi did then.

Bizarrely, or maybe not so bizarrely as I dont know what you're opinion of it will be, but I've heard more recent punditry attacking the Ferengi as anti-semitic and suggesting that the big ears feature of that alien race is actually a reference to interwar anti-semitic cartoons of jews as possessing big noses etc. which is a bit of a sumersault if you ask me, I also dont know why the whole "jews as uber capitalists" is still a thing, or why Jewish sources would want to "own" that idea. Anyway.
I wouldn't have even thought of that if it hadn't been pointed out. It seems to me that they're a parody/commentary on people who worship personalities like Gordon Gekko and Donald Trump. It wouldn't surprise me that those types would hate the show.
Also what about V? That show was initially meant to be just about an invasion of communists, they went for the space and lizard angle when they decided that they couldnt sell it or it wouldnt be popular enough as a straightforward communist invasion idea. Which I think is crazy as a ton of the conspiracy theories of today about illuminati owl worshipping lizards seem to be derivative of that show.
I thought V was supposed to be about fascists.

Oh, you mean Bohemian Grove? That might be my favorite conspiracy theory; it's weird enough to be amusing. The idea that all these titans of industry and politics gather together in the forest to put on bizarre plays and rituals underneath an owl statue is a pretty wild situation. It sounds like a wackier version of Eyes Wide Shut.

9/11 truth conspiracy theories, on the other hand, might be my least favorite. They had no coherent theory of what was supposed to have actually happened but can't stop "asking questions" to no particular end. For instance, were the planes flown into the towers with remote control technology? If so, since everyone knows jet fuel can't melt steel beams, why did they do this? Anyway, if you ask me "9/11 was an inside job" was an inside job...lol.

(Remember "Bush did 9/11"? I always thought that was hilarious.)

I think the 9/11 conspiracy theories were a gateway drug to all the stuff we've been dealing with in recent years, and will unfortunately continue to deal with. The recent issues, I suspect, are the product of people who reject what they have been taught or what official sources are telling them, but have no idea how to actually arrive at truth for themselves, so they tend to take some "anti-establishment" figure's word for it. Really, if I'm correct, our current difficulty is yet another part of the legacy of 9/11.
 
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I wish there was a line of historical action figures, like Marx, Engels, Freud etc.
 

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We must not fear.
Fear is the Mindkiller.
Fear is the little death which brings total obliteration.
 
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I wish there was a line of historical action figures, like Marx, Engels, Freud etc.
I gave someone a Van Gogh action figure once. You could remove his regular ear and replace it with a bandaged one. (Even now, I think that's hysterical.) I'll try to get pictures.
 
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