I can't figure out my type. I'm becoming extremely frustrated.

[Purplemoon]

I think you have Ne not Ni. All that sounds very Ne with some Si and possibly Ti. You're making connections and possibilities. Also inferior Ne would see the negative a lot more and seek connections to prove it. Ni visualizes their goals, it energizes them. They see clearly what they want and will come up with steps to achieve them.

I was actually leaning towards inferior Ne, but I wasn't sure.

 

[robert666]

I guess what I mean by it is that I have a tendency to come off as a ditz or that I just don't give a s**t about a lot of topics, but internally I do.

Please explain what you mean by the underlined quote, it seems contradictory.

I guess what I'm constantly trying to figure out is what drives me. What drives my behavior? What drives my thoughts? What drives my feelings? What drives me to try to analyze these things?

How important is it to you to figure out what drives you?
Why is it important, what do you gain from it?
What is your experience like when you do this?

 

[1487610420]

If this thread makes it past 12 pages, I'm going with INFJ.

*bump*

 

[Purplemoon]

I think probably ISFP. ISFPs use Ni but it is tertiary and not as well developed.

[MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION] how can I tell my dominant function is Fi? What is a good way to figure out my dominant function?

 

[Purplemoon]

Please explain what you mean by the underlined quote, it seems contradictory.



How important is it to you to figure out what drives you?
Why is it important, what do you gain from it?
What is your experience like when you do this?

What I mean in the underlined quote is that I have a tendency to not express my true feelings on a topic, out of fear of being attacked by someone. In reality, I do care about a lot of things, I just can't be bothered with sharing my opinions with every person I know, and I don't think everyone has a right to know all of my opinions. I only tell those I'm in a close relationship with my opinions, and even then I have to trust them. I give off a facade of being cold, but in reality I'm burning up inside.

It is important to figure out what drives me because I want to truly know who I am, and where I belong in this world. It is important because it gives me insight on how to improve myself. What I gain from it is becoming a more aware person. My experience when I do this is usually stressful. I become upset because I can't figure out who I am. I feel as though I have no identity.

 

[sardonic delight]

Here's some links to help Fi vs Fe

Introverted Feeling (Fi) vs. Ti, Ni, & Fe

http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...ngian-cognitive-functions/21153-fi-vs-fe.html

Fi vs Fe 101

 

[highlander]

[MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION] how can I tell my dominant function is Fi? What is a good way to figure out my dominant function?

I have a test that I'm developing right now that addresses this. It should be done in a couple of weeks. Can you try it out when it's done?

 

[Purplemoon]

Here's some links to help Fi vs Fe

Introverted Feeling (Fi) vs. Ti, Ni, & Fe


http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...ngian-cognitive-functions/21153-fi-vs-fe.html

Fi vs Fe 101

After reading through the links you posted, I'm starting to think that I misinterpreted Fi and Fe. I can relate to the first links description on Fi more than I can relate to the description of Fe, so I'm starting to wonder if I use Fi, and not Fe.

 

[Purplemoon]

I have a test that I'm developing right now that addresses this. It should be done in a couple of weeks. Can you try it out when it's done?

[MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION]: Yes, I'm willing to try your test.

 

[sardonic delight]

After reading through the links you posted, I'm starting to think that I misinterpreted Fi and Fe. I can relate to the first links description on Fi more than I can relate to the description of Fe, so I'm starting to wonder if I use Fi, and not Fe.

Here's some Ne vs Se to help discern between infp or isfp

Ne-Si vs. Ni-Se: Myers-Briggs Function Pairs

mbti fest

How to tell iNtuiting from extraverted Sensing | The InterStrength Group

 

[Purplemoon]

Here's some Ne vs Se to help discern between infp or isfp

Ne-Si vs. Ni-Se: Myers-Briggs Function Pairs

mbti fest

How to tell iNtuiting from extraverted Sensing | The InterStrength Group

I think I lean more towards ISFP than INFP, but I'm not sure.

 

[sardonic delight]

I think I lean more towards ISFP than INFP, but I'm not sure.

At least you know your most likely a Fi dom. That's progress. I'd wait for [MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION] 's test before any final assessments.

 

[sardonic delight]

I'm reading these pages currently. They also deal with how the types usually are when in love, careers. I'm trying to figure my type too.

isfp
Portrait of an ISFP

infp
Portrait of an INFP

 

[highlander]

I was actually leaning towards inferior Ne, but I wasn't sure.

You might check out these resources too

ISFP - Typology Wiki

INFP - Typology Wiki

 

[fetus]

I haven't read the questionnaire yet--only the title of the thread.

I would urge you not to become so frustrated. It's only a theory. Nobody's existence is depending on it. It's just a fun hobby, you know? That's all. Most people don't even really care about it.
And you'll learn more and more each day.

 

[rainybisto]

I'll try to analyze your answers. But I'm not an expert in this, as I'm also struggling with seeing my own type lol. This stuff is hard and cognitive functions definitions can be so ambiguous or not distinctive enough, but perhaps I'm getting closer to an understanding.

Personality Cafe MBTI Questionnaire:

1) What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?

•I feel as though I am not consistent with my behavior or desires. One moment I'll be super analytical and detached, and within the span of a few minutes I become an emotional wreck. On one hand, I have the desire to be a lone wolf, but on the other hand, I have the desire to love and be loved and run with the pack.It's almost as if there is some force inside of me that I don't have complete control over.

Ne/Si, unclear on Fe or Fi.

2) What do you yearn for in life? Why?

•I yearn for inner and outer peacefulness. A sense of closure. I yearn for this because right now I feel chaotic. I want happiness in the world. I myself cannot feel at peace when the world is a mess, both on a "micro" and "macro"level.

Building urge of Pi/Je. But that could mean two things so let's ignore it.

•I want to obtain all of the knowledge I can. Right now I feel as though I don't have enough knowledge to survive in the world. I have a yearning to learn as much as I can.

Sign of Pe/Ji. Seems weird. It's like both parts in your stack is in conflict.

•I dream of getting married to a man I love on an intellectual and spiritual level. I need to have that feeling that we get each other on a cerebral level. I would like to have children with him, and I desire to teach my children about the value and beauty of knowledge.

Dunno.

•I have a desire to teach people. I daydream about opening my own school that pushes young people above and beyond what they thought they are capable of. The school would focus on teaching students to form their own opinions on the world. I desire this because I believe I have a duty to help people on an academic level.

Dunno.

3) Think about a time where you felt like you were at your finest. Tell us what made you feel that way.

•I felt my finest in my AP U.S. government class (sorry I don't have a lot of life experience...). The teacher I had made me push my mental limits, and I loved it. I often managed to get extra credit on essays, and my teacher once read my essay out loud as an example of what we were supposed to do with an assignment. I felt as though my teacher "got" me.

Sounds Si-Ne and Fi.

4) What makes you feel inferior?

•I always feel inferior. I guess life in and of itself makes me feel inferior. I don't understand how other people think. I don't get the obsession with celebrities, social media, and nit picking at every little thing about a person. I don't get why people desire to inject their opinion into every little thing. I don't get the desire to work at a corporate job you hate just for "status". I don't get society's obsession with materialistic values, such as what college you went to, what clothes you wear, etc. I constantly feel as though I'm crazy and weird because I don't live up to society's expectations of me. I feel inferior to the media's expectation of women. I feel as though I must be super educated, super ambitious, super sexual, and basically just "having it all". Trying to follow this line of thinking feels like a betrayal of myself. It's as if I'm a different species inhabiting an earth that was not designed for me.

This sounds more Fi, I guess.

5) What tends to weigh on your decisions? (Do you think about people, pro-cons, how you feel about it, etc.)

• I tend to base my opinions on what I believe will help individuals, and society as a whole. Most of my sessions are not based on my feelings, but on who I think a concept will benefit and help others. I rarely, if ever, think about myself and my personal desires when making a decision. I view it like this: I'm only one person in a completely massive world. Sometimes we need to give and take in order to make important decisions. Yes, we are all special and unique in our own way, but at the end of the day, we're all humans with similar struggles.

Sounds Fe, but also Fi-ish.


6) When working on a project what is normally your emphasis? Do you like to have control of the outcome?

•My emphasis is on the outcome of my work. I care more about the long term impact on a project than on the short term impact. I care about what I learn along the way, and I try to think of how this information could help me in the future. I could care less about how comfortable I feel during the process. More towards Pi now. I think Si. I get the impression that Ni-dom's future projection is usually implemented on grander scale, not self-future. But this is unclear so I'd ignore this.

7) Describe a time where you had a lot of fun. How is your memory of it?

•Um...I guess when I went to the Molly Brown house a few years ago, or any museum or "cultural event?" My memory of it is not that great, but I usually feel "at home" at these places/events? I really can't explain it though... Unclear.

8) When you want to learn something new, what feels more natural for you?

•I have to rewrite and color-code every little thing I read, or else I won't remember it. I try to answer the questions at the end of each chapter, in order to understand the material on a deeper level. I also try to look for connections and patterns between different subjects in order to form my own personal theory on it, and to understand it. I'm not good at hands-on learning. Si/Ne. We have the need to grasp the concept first before we practice it. I base this on my experience seeing my Ni/Se friends learn (musical instrument, business, and other things) by practice and suggest me to do it like that, but I don't like that way.

9) How organized do you think of yourself as?

•I would say I'm pretty organized. Even though my work area often looks like a mess, I can usually find what I need on a regular basis. I always manage to meet deadlines, regardless if I start my work early or late. I have a good perception of how long a project will take. I also like to have a grammar deal of structure in my life. Si/Ne.

10) How do you judge new ideas? You try to understand the principles behind it to see if they make sense or do you look for information that supports it?

•I judge new ideas by trying to understand the principles behind it. I sometimes look for information to support it, but the information is usually only so that I can understand the principle clearer. I like to understand the "why" of something first, and then building up my opinion on the matter based off of new information, and looking at it from multiple points of view. Si/Ne.

11) You find harmony by making sure everyone is doing fine and belonging to a given group or by making sure that you follow what you believe and being yourself?

•I find harmony by making sure everyone feels like they have their place and purpose in a group. I like to make people feel like they belong and are appreciated, since I often felt left out while growing up. How you put it seems like Fi.

12) Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?

•I think before I speak. I try to analyze everything from multiple perspectives, and I don't feel comfortable speaking until I've thought something through. I prefer one-on-one communication to group discussions. Just general introversion.

13) Do you jump into action right away or do you like to know where are you jumping before leaping? Does action speaks more than words?

•I like to know where I am before jumping in. I judge people based off their actions. Nothing.

14) It's Saturday. You're at home, and your favorite show is about to start. Your friends call you for a night out. What will you do?

•I tell that I'm not really up for going out. If they get angry that's their problem, not mine. This is Te/Fi. The only alternative is primary Ti.

15) How do you act when you're stressed out?

•I shut down and become fear-ridden when I'm stressed out. I also tend to worry a lot. The aspect being measured could be caused by many functions.

16) What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?

•I dislike people who are judgmental and base everything off of materialistic values that society has imposed on us. I also dislike people who are closed minded and refuse to hear the opinions of others. I dislike people who get upset over every little thing. I dislike people who have a very narrow view on the world, i.e. "all models are bimbos", "if you like candidate x then you're an uneducated idiot", etc. I dislike people who think that their world view is 100% correct. I dislike people who have no introspective abilities. Fi.

17) Is there anything you really like talking about with other people?

•I guess I feel most comfortable talking about theories and ideas. I also tend to like civil discussions on politics, especially political theories. I like talking to people who don't think exactly as I do, and I like to figure out where they're coming from. I also like to talk about art, history, music,
and science with people. Si/Ne and Fi.

18) What kind of things do you pay the least attention to in your life?

•I pay the least attention to things I view as "fluff". I don't pay attention to celebrity gossip. While I enjoy watching some sports, I don't view them as my life and I don't put emotional value into them. I watch them purely for entertainment. Si/Ne. Fi.

19) How do your friends perceive you? What is wrong about their perception? ? What would your friends never say about your personality ?

•I don't have any friends. I guess my former friends precieved me as quiet, shy, "ladylike", and hard to read. I would say they were right. Ladylike? That's new. Could be Fe or Fi thing in Si types.

20) You got a whole day to do whatever you like. What kind of activities do you feel like doing?

•I would spend the day reading and writing down my thoughts. I may also sleep a little longer, and perhaps paint or draw a picture or two. I'd also like to just sit and be with my ideas and theories, and perhaps write them down.This sounds Ji/Pe. And it might be a little helpful if you post your pictures too.

On general I'd say you're INFP. My second option would be ISTJ. Most ISTJs are male, so I don't know about ISTJ females. I have my own (delicate) pictures of STJs in my mind that don't match how most people on forum describe them to be. And I think it's not correct to say that all sensor dominants are concrete people who hates theories.

 

[rainybisto]

Just want to give my current thoughts on this matter.

All extraverted judging functions, by definition, are functions that deal with external objects. It manipulates this external objects, in the sense that we're directing people, we control things. Introverted judging functions like Fi and Ti is not like this. So to avoid confusion, I'll point out that all types who have Fe functions usually don't have problems in mimicking social behaviors. For types where Fe is inferior, this mimicking might be less frequent and brief, but it can be utilized in social settings to direct people and maintaining atmosphere. Where Fe users get it difficult is when they're trying to understand their own emotions and what they truly want (edit: have opinion about something), because their introverted judging or introspection is done by Ti, which is very neutralized and detached form of deduction. Both Ti and Fi are not functions to be expressed, it's only for analyzing things perceived by extraverted perception (Ne/Se). This is why Fi and Ti types can came off as aloof in social settings. But their aloofness is different by principle. Fi would be in touch with how situations make them feel and internalizing this, reluctant to/just can't let it out via behavior. While, Ti, they don't internalize this even if they sense the atmosphere, instead just analyzing it or thinking about how what the other party's saying doesn't make sense. There might be some (self-)emotional things happening down there, but it's very vague and they just don't feel this sense of "self".

That's how I understand the users describe it. So if Fi is x and Ti is y, they can't be both or the criteria needs to be redefined. Other factors that might complicate these functions are simply still out of the realm.

 

[robert666]

I only tell those I'm in a close relationship with my opinions, and even then I have to trust them.

What kinds of things do you share with those that you trust?

It is important to figure out what drives me because I want to truly know who I am, and where I belong in this world. It is important because it gives me insight on how to improve myself. What I gain from it is becoming a more aware person.

How does "knowing who you are", or "being a more aware person" make your life any better?

My experience when I do this is usually stressful. I become upset because I can't figure out who I am. I feel as though I have no identity.

When does the experience become enjoyable, exciting or energizing?


Please quote each question separately and follow it with the answer. It's easier to read when there are many questions together.

 

[RobinSkye]

I'm getting ISFP from all this. But I think it's best you look at the descriptions of cognitive functions, get a sense of how you would rank your use/preference for each. Always take tests that measure your cognitive function usage/preference, not dichotomy-based ones. Also, I recommend looking at Socionics, as opposed to MBTI. Socionics gives a much more comprehensive view, and I would consider more likely accurate. You can see how each type would use each function and how that interacts with the other functions relative in their stack. Source: Socionics Types

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I'm getting ISFP from all this. But I think it's best you look at the descriptions of cognitive functions, get a sense of how you would rank your use/preference for each. Always take tests that measure your cognitive function usage/preference, not dichotomy-based ones. Also, I recommend looking at Socionics, as opposed to MBTI. Socionics gives a much more comprehensive view, and I would consider more likely accurate. You can see how each type would use each function and how that interacts with the other functions relative in their stack. Source: Socionics Types

 

[OrangeAppled]

In terms of being "deep", I feel as though I don't present myself in a very deep manner. I get the feeling that I give off a very absent-minded or ditzy vibe, since I'm extremely shy and I don't share my thoughts with the outer world. My inner life, though, is extremely deep. I think, feel, and analyze thoughts and emotions on an intense level.

I don't know if I can type myself anymore. I'm not sure if I have an accurate representation of myself, and I don't know how others perceive me. I feel as though I know my thoughts and feelings and why I think the way I do, but I don't know who I really am. It's as if I'm trying to mold myself in to an "idea woman" that society has told me is great, but I'm failing at it. It's gotten to the point that I no longer know my true self. I've tried so hard throughout my 21 years of living to fit in with my peers, but I've always felt like I can't relate to most people. For some reason, I've always attracted those who are considered the "outsiders": The troubled kids at school would confine in me, the "eccentric" and/or "future intellectual" kids thought I was interesting, and the "bad boys" wanted my mind, spirit, and body. I feel soulless, and as if I have no true identity.

ISFJ e6 or e9 seems far and away the most likely, based on the OP.

Have you read this description of Si (aka the "Instinctive" Introvert)?

I find the way you describe yourself in the OP strikingly similar in its tone.

The instinctive introvert is ruled by his emotions and impulses. These form the subjective side of instinctual life, just as sensation represents its objective side. The attention of the introvert is not directed primarily to the source of sensation (as communicated to {31} him through his sense-organs), but to its so-called “feeling-tone”, and to his own impulses. It depends upon the extent to which he is stirred, whether a given experience will make a big impression on him, not upon the intensity of the sensation itself. This aspect of susceptibility to emotion may occasionally, under certain conditions, prevail in anyone, but here it dominates all the other functions. Inherited disposition and early experience have produced a certain susceptibility to impressions and a certain need for emotional experience, and in these cases the whole mental life is directed by these two factors. Adjustment along these lines may, under favourable circumstances, provide for such people a satisfying existence, so long as these needs are met. Since in most cases there is little external evidence of this inner satisfaction, the lives of these people may sometimes appear to others as anything but happy, arousing compassion, for which there is no real reason.

Children of this type are frequently noted for a certain gentleness and receptiveness, but also for periods of timidity and monosyllabic reserve. There is something a little vague and passive about them. They are attached to people in their environment who are kind to them. They love nature, animals, beautiful things, and an environment with which they have become familiar. Anything strange or new has at first no attraction for them; but they offer little active resistance to it and soon learn to accept the good in it. They are often friendly and easy to get on with, but a little lazy and impersonal. When older, too, these people usually give an outward impression of being reserved, quiet, and somewhat passive. Only in rare cases, for example, in artists, does the distinctive and personal quality of their inner emotion come to expression. In other cases, however, their whole behavior reveals their peculiar characteristics, although it is not easy to define these.

People of this type have well-developed sense-organs, but they are particularly receptive to anything having lasting value for human instinctual needs. This lends to their lives a certain solid comfort, although it may lead to somewhat ponderous caution, if instinct becomes too deeply attached to all kinds of minor details. The advantages and disadvantages of this type are well brought out in the reserved and conservative farmer, with his care for his land and his beasts, and his tendency to carry on everything, down to the smallest detail, in the same old way. The same is true of the sailor. He also shows a passive resistance to anything new, which can only be overcome by absolutely convincing experience. Other examples of this type are the naturalist, devotedly observing in minutest detail the lives of plants and animals, the lonely collector of beautiful {32} or interesting things, the worker in applied art, and the painter, who manage to express a deep experience in the presentation of ordinary things. In their own field these people are usually very much at home, having a good mastery of the technical side of their calling, but without regarding this as any special merit. They accept both what they can, and what they cannot, do, as simple facts, but they tend on the whole to under-estimate rather than to over-estimate themselves. Pretense and bluff in others may irritate them to the point of protest, which is probably connected with their own difficulty in understanding their own potentialities and worth. These people usually strike one as very quiet and somewhat passive. Except in relation to persons and things in their own immediate sphere, to which they are bound by their instinctual reactions, they show little inclination to activity; they never readily depart from their routine. If anything gets in their way, they put up a peculiarly passive resistance, although under exceptional circumstances there may be an outbreak of wrath. If their environment is not favorable, they will nevertheless try to adapt themselves to it; in such circumstances, they are inclined to regard their emotions, in so far as they differ from other people’s ideas, as morbid. At the same time, they feel extraordinarily helpless and inferior. Or they may turn away from the world and give themselves up entirely to their own emotions. Where this is the case, they see any adaptation to other people as a mere pretense, and may develop remarkable skill in belittling the motives and ideals of others.

The development of reason also follows the same lines here as the general attitude to life. Facts are its point of departure, and particularly certain fundamental facts, which are subjected to exact and thorough investigation. Observations and ideas are matter-of-fact and clear. There is nothing contemplative about people of this type. Moreover, they prefer to stick to the familiar, and find it difficult to adopt anything new. This is connected with their need to see things in a clear setting. If they can bring themselves to accept anything new, they tend to occupy themselves with it until it has become absolutely clear to them. Here is revealed the obstinacy of instinct, with its ever-renewed attack until it has learned to control its object. Circumstances, however, have to be favorable. In more abstract matters, they find it difficult to form an opinion of their own, and follow those authorities {33} which, by a knowledge of facts, give them the impression of being thorough. Even so, they do not feel any confidence, and are easily upset if drawn into discussion in this field, or if the value of their authorities is questioned. On the other hand, they have few prejudices, and their view of things is calm and temperate.

Feeling may also make itself felt here, in which case it is, by the influence of instinct, attached to concrete objects. But the emphasis does not rest on the object, as with the extravert of this type, but on its feeling-tone, on the reactions of the subjective personality. Here there is something compulsive in the reaction. It appears as something unalterable, and the feelings which arise therefrom are also experienced as something unavoidable, and are accepted with a certain fatalism. The attitude is, “I was born that way, and I cannot change my nature”. As a result, those people and circumstances are sought out which are congenial to them, and no attempt at adaptation is made if this search is not immediately successful. Feelings are therefore specially developed within a personal sphere to which the individual is attached and which reminds him of home. Within such a sphere, these people may occasionally be able to emanate a certain warmth and cosiness around themselves, and their love is frequently concentrated on beautiful things and on animals within this sphere. If they do not succeed in creating such a personal sphere for themselves, they may become very depressed and unhappy. In the realm of sex their feelings are strongly colored by sensual manifestations, with the result that they may become deeply attached to the object of their attraction. This predominance of the sexual instinct causes sexual attraction to play a larger part in their sentimental relationships with the opposite sex than is the case with people of other types. Masculinity and femininity are accordingly strongly emphasized in the emotional life of such people.

As regards intuition, it is a concept which this type of instinctive individual also finds very difficult to grasp, and he regards its activity in others with misgiving. He cannot take it seriously. At the same time, the intuitive views of leading spirits on matters, for example, of religion and politics are accepted by him, provided they appear in traditional form. The somewhat passive attitude towards life of these people then exerts an influence, in that factors of predestination and fate are likely to play a large part in their philosophy. This latter is not much affected by their personal life, since abstract vision and practical adaptation are for them two entirely different things. This lack of a comprehensive {34} vision, and their introversion, stand in the way of a satisfactory external adaptation. They are less able than the extraverts of this type to make use of helpful circumstances, and in this respect they have, as a rule, to get help from others, who, recognizing their good qualities, manage to find an environment for them where these can come to expression.