[Traditional Enneagram] New Enneagram Inventory (Experimental)

[Mal12345]

That's pretty good.

I've been disagreed with before about the wing of my 6 (and would be open to listening to the other side), and it's easy to see why I'd test that way - while 6w5 is not my core, it's on the right track. As for 1, I do have 1w2 listed currently. 8w7 is an association I'd find extremely unlikely in the same way as [MENTION=23222]senza tema[/MENTION], but new data is welcome.

Thanks for putting the time into these.

Re: data rational, I actually took the test with a calculator open in another tab, purposely trying to drive the X count specifically below 15% before submitting my answers. IDK why I do things like that. Note that I also marked "good with numbers" as N.

I'll do some more work on the test vectors that identify the type 8 in a few days.

 

[Brains]

Here is the inventory:

Answer each statement with either Y for yes, N for no, or X for I don't know/no preference/both/neither/prefer not to answer...
The more X's there are, the less accurate the result. On the other hand, if do you answer with a lot of X's then that could be a clue as to your primary e-type.

NEW RULES: If your answer "depends" on something, or if it only exists in thought, put a "yes."

1. I prefer to follow my own approach. Y
2. I enjoy analyzing people. Y
3. I openly express feelings, or, I find it difficult to conceal my feelings. Y
4. I enjoy working with numbers. Y
5. I am cautious when it comes to making decisions. Y
6. I believe the practical is more important than the theoretical. Y
7. I'm not the the type to follow convention. Y
8. I am not highly ambitious and prefer to take a more laid-back approach. Y
9. I am adaptable, I take a different approach to different people and situations. N
10. I prefer routine over variety; repetitive work doesn't bother me. N
11. I don't like detailed tasks; I tend to be rather unorganized and unsystematic. Details like, unorganized yes
12. I prefer to make my own decisions. Y
13. I am outspoken. Y
14. I am modest. Y
15. Analyzing people is not important to me. N
16. I would rather spend my time being alone. N
17. I am competitive and dislike losing. Y / N. Enjoy competing, don't mind losing.
18. I enjoy being in charge. Y (don't actively seek it)
19. I critically evaluate information and focus upon errors. Y
20. I am trusting, I see others as honest and reliable. N (trust Y, cynical fuck otherwise)
21. I am interested in theories and enjoy playing with abstract concepts. Y
22. I generally feel awkward meeting new people. N
23. I am highly ambitious and strive to achieve more. N/Y
24. I don't like telling other people what to do. N
25. I am good at persuading people. No clue
26. I don't mind breaking rules and I dislike bureaucracy. Y
27. I am innovative. Sounds like useless buzzwords. N?
28. I am talkative and enjoy being the center of attention. Y
29. I am thick-skinned and not easily offended. Y
30. I like to be around other people. Y
31. I prefer to remain detached from other people's problems. X
32. I prefer to take a conventional approach to situations. Y
33. I consult others before making most decisions. Y (think best with a sounding board)
34. I prefer variety over routine. Y
35. I dislike being the center of attention. N
36. I am helpful and supportive. Y
37. I don't like being pressured with extra things to do. Y
38. I find it difficult to unwind and relax. N
39. I take a long-term view and set goals for the future. Y/N (think large scale, live in the present. Not much of a planner)
40. I am relatively free from worry. Y
41. Opinions and feelings are more important to me than facts and numbers. Facts and numbers have to set constraints, after that facts>opinions>feels>numbers
42. I like to keep busy and enjoy having lots of things to do. Both
43. I prefer to just go along to get along. N
44. I am wary of the intentions of others. Y
45. I prefer to see deadlines as optional. N
46. I am socially confident. Y
47. I find it easy to relax. Y
48. I am decisive. Y
49. I rarely display emotion. ?
50. I am more focused on things that might go wrong. Y
51. I tend to focus on the negative. Y
52. I don't like competition, I just want to have fun. Competition IS fun. False dichotomy.
53. I don't like to voice my own opinions. N
54. I am not very creative. Y
55. I like to make my strengths and achievements known. N
56. I don't change myself to adapt to various situations. Y/N
57. I am sometimes too sensitive for my own good. N
58. I don't waste a lot of time looking for errors. Y (challenge what slaps me in the face or if conclusion seems off, don't obsessively weed shit out)
59. I prefer to follow rules and regulations. Y
60. I always expect things to turn out well. N
61. I am conscientious. N
62. I am methodical and like to focus on details. Y
63. I am more interested in immediate goals in the here-and-now than the long-term future. Love both.
64. I am rarely persuasive, and I'm not good at negotiation. Need a yardstick. Guess I'm average?

 

[ThaumaturgicTheorist]

Not very.

Yeah, you're right.

In terms of actual behavior (and particularly thought), I relate more to triple-withdrawn. I guess I worry I overrelate in an attempt to be special: surely, then, I must be the most common tritype because how could I be that special?

On another site I went back and forth between Three and Four for my heart fix, then it was settled when an actual Four told me my imagey thoughts reek of Three; no Four would ever long to impress others the way I do. There are times I think I'm imagey af. Then again, it's quite possible I was raised by two heart types, maybe I absorbed something from there.

As to the head, I mistyped at Six for my core, but I could also be disintegrated. Every now and then I see some Five in myself, particularly regarding how withdrawn I was growing up.

 

[Mal12345]

1. I prefer to follow my own approach. Y
2. I enjoy analyzing people. Y
3. I openly express feelings, or, I find it difficult to conceal my feelings. Y
4. I enjoy working with numbers. N
5. I am cautious when it comes to making decisions. N
6. I believe the practical is more important than the theoretical. Y
7. I'm not the the type to follow convention. Y
8. I am not highly ambitious and prefer to take a more laid-back approach. N
9. I am adaptable, I take a different approach to different people and situations. Y
10. I prefer routine over variety; repetitive work doesn't bother me. N
11. I don't like detailed tasks; I tend to be rather unorganized and unsystematic. Y
12. I prefer to make my own decisions. Y
13. I am outspoken. Y
14. I am modest. N
15. Analyzing people is not important to me. N
16. I would rather spend my time being alone. N
17. I am competitive and dislike losing. Y
18. I enjoy being in charge. Y
19. I critically evaluate information and focus upon errors. N
20. I am trusting, I see others as honest and reliable. X
21. I am interested in theories and enjoy playing with abstract concepts. X
22. I generally feel awkward meeting new people. N
23. I am highly ambitious and strive to achieve more. N
24. I don't like telling other people what to do. X
25. I am good at persuading people. Y
26. I don't mind breaking rules and I dislike bureaucracy. Y
27. I am innovative. Y
28. I am talkative and enjoy being the center of attention. Y
29. I am thick-skinned and not easily offended. Y
30. I like to be around other people. Y
31. I prefer to remain detached from other people's problems. Y
32. I prefer to take a conventional approach to situations. N
33. I consult others before making most decisions. N
34. I prefer variety over routine. Y
35. I dislike being the center of attention. N
36. I am helpful and supportive. Y
37. I don't like being pressured with extra things to do. N
38. I find it difficult to unwind and relax. N
39. I take a long-term view and set goals for the future. Y
40. I am relatively free from worry. Y
41. Opinions and feelings are more important to me than facts and numbers. Y
42. I like to keep busy and enjoy having lots of things to do. Y
43. I prefer to just go along to get along. N
44. I am wary of the intentions of others. N
45. I prefer to see deadlines as optional. Y
46. I am socially confident. Y
47. I find it easy to relax. Y
48. I am decisive. Y
49. I rarely display emotion. N
50. I am more focused on things that might go wrong. N
51. I tend to focus on the negative. N
52. I don't like competition, I just want to have fun. X
53. I don't like to voice my own opinions. N
54. I am not very creative. N
55. I like to make my strengths and achievements known. Y
56. I don't change myself to adapt to various situations. N
57. I am sometimes too sensitive for my own good. Y
58. I don't waste a lot of time looking for errors. Y
59. I prefer to follow rules and regulations. N
60. I always expect things to turn out well. Y
61. I am conscientious. Y
62. I am methodical and like to focus on details. N
63. I am more interested in immediate goals in the here-and-now than the long-term future. Y
64. I am rarely persuasive, and I'm not good at negotiation. N

Your scored 7w8 3w2 8w7. Your 6 score was really low. 9 and 1 were your next lowest scores.

 

[Mal12345]

1. I prefer to follow my own approach. y
2. I enjoy analyzing people. y
3. I openly express feelings, or, I find it difficult to conceal my feelings. y
4. I enjoy working with numbers. x
5. I am cautious when it comes to making decisions. n
6. I believe the practical is more important than the theoretical. x
7. I'm not the type to follow convention. y
8. I am not highly ambitious and prefer to take a more laid-back approach. n
9. I am adaptable, I take a different approach to different people and situations. y
10. I prefer routine over variety; repetitive work doesn't bother me. n
11. I don't like detailed tasks; I tend to be rather unorganized and unsystematic. y
12. I prefer to make my own decisions. y
13. I am outspoken. y
14. I am modest. x
15. Analyzing people is not important to me. n
16. I would rather spend my time being alone. x
17. I am competitive and dislike losing. x
18. I enjoy being in charge. n
19. I critically evaluate information and focus upon errors. n
20. I am trusting, I see others as honest and reliable. n
21. I am interested in theories and enjoy playing with abstract concepts. y
22. I generally feel awkward meeting new people. x
23. I am highly ambitious and strive to achieve more. n
24. I don't like telling other people what to do. y
25. I am persuasive. y
26. I don't mind breaking rules and I dislike bureaucracy. y
27. I am innovative. y
28. I am talkative and enjoy being the center of attention. n
29. I am thick-skinned and not easily offended. x
30. I like to be around other people. y
31. I prefer to remain detached from other people's problems. n
32. I prefer to take a conventional approach to situations. n
33. I consult others before making most decisions. n
34. I prefer variety over routine. y
35. I dislike being the center of attention. x
36. I am helpful and supportive. x
37. I don't like being pressured with extra things to do. y
38. I find it difficult to unwind and relax. n
39. I take a long-term view and set goals for the future. n
40. I am relatively free from worry. x
41. Opinions and feelings are more important to me than facts and numbers. x
42. I like to keep busy and enjoy having lots of things to do. y
43. I prefer to just go along to get along. n
44. I am wary of the intentions of others. y
45. I prefer to see deadlines as optional. y
46. I am socially confident. x
47. I find it easy to relax. y
48. I am decisive. n
49. I rarely display emotion. n
50. I am more focused on things that might go wrong. n
51. I worry that things might go wrong. n
52. I don't like competition, I just want to have fun. y
53. I don't like to voice my own opinions. n
54. I am not very creative. n
55. I like to make my strengths and achievements known. x
56. I don't change myself to adapt to various situations. y
57. I am sometimes too sensitive for my own good. y
58. I don't waste a lot of time looking for errors. y
59. I prefer to follow rules and regulations. n
60. I always expect things to turn out well. x
61. I am conscientious. n
62. I am methodical and like to focus on details. n
63. I am more interested in immediate goals in the here-and-now than the long-term future. y
64. I am rarely persuasive, and I'm not good at negotiation. x

All of my x's were born of "it depends"

The only question I felt especially challenged by was the very last...



for question 25.) I am persuasive... I answered yes.
But for 64.) I am rarely persuasive, and I'm not good at negotiation. <-this is one of those...I am persuasive...but I suck at negotiation. Basically I'm persuading to not have to negotiate.


Edit: I don't know if you will catch this Mal but I answered 8.) in a way that doesn't reflect who I am. In no way am I ambitious...but I'm not laid back either when I have a stake in something. None of that makes me organized but if I care I care so idk

Number 8 won't have any effect on the grand totals. You scored evenly on 7 and 4. Behind those was type 2. For 7's wing, 8 was higher than 6. The 4 had 3 slightly higher than 5, so statistically there was no difference between 3 and 5. But it was definitely a 2w3 for that leg of the tritype.

Considering your own self-typing as the 7, you scored 7w8, 4w3, 2w3. 742

Note: for the x's "it depends" answers, I translate most of those into no, but sometimes into yes based upon my analysis of your answers.

 

[Mal12345]

Short explanations for some. Some conflict, but it makes sense in my mind... [MENTION=13589]Mal12345[/MENTION]

1. I prefer to follow my own approach. Y
2. I enjoy analyzing people. Y
3. I openly express feelings, or, I find it difficult to conceal my feelings. Y
4. I enjoy working with numbers. N
5. I am cautious when it comes to making decisions. Y
6. I believe the practical is more important than the theoretical. Y
7. I'm not the the type to follow convention. Y
8. I am not highly ambitious and prefer to take a more laid-back approach. Y
9. I am adaptable, I take a different approach to different people and situations. Y
10. I prefer routine over variety; repetitive work doesn't bother me. X - it depends
11. I don't like detailed tasks; I tend to be rather unorganized and unsystematic. Y
12. I prefer to make my own decisions. N (This sounds really pitiful but someone's gotta understand, right?
13. I am outspoken. N
14. I am modest. Y
15. Analyzing people is not important to me. N
16. I would rather spend my time being alone. Y
17. I am competitive and dislike losing. N
18. I enjoy being in charge. N
19. I critically evaluate information and focus upon errors. N
20. I am trusting, I see others as honest and reliable. Y
21. I am interested in theories and enjoy playing with abstract concepts. N
22. I generally feel awkward meeting new people. Y
23. I am highly ambitious and strive to achieve more. N
24. I don't like telling other people what to do. Y
25. I am good at persuading people. X - I don't know if I've even tried
26. I don't mind breaking rules and I dislike bureaucracy. Y - I don't mind it when it's necessary, but it makes me nervous and happy at the same time
27. I am innovative. N
28. I am talkative and enjoy being the center of attention. X - Who am I with?
29. I am thick-skinned and not easily offended. N
30. I like to be around other people. Y
31. I prefer to remain detached from other people's problems. N
32. I prefer to take a conventional approach to situations. N
33. I consult others before making most decisions. Y
34. I prefer variety over routine. Y
35. I dislike being the center of attention. X - Again, depends on who I'm with
36. I am helpful and supportive. Y
37. I don't like being pressured with extra things to do. Y
38. I find it difficult to unwind and relax. N
39. I take a long-term view and set goals for the future. Y
40. I am relatively free from worry. N
41. Opinions and feelings are more important to me than facts and numbers. Y
42. I like to keep busy and enjoy having lots of things to do. N
43. I prefer to just go along to get along. Y
44. I am wary of the intentions of others. N
45. I prefer to see deadlines as optional. Y
46. I am socially confident. N
47. I find it easy to relax. Y
48. I am decisive. N
49. I rarely display emotion. N
50. I am more focused on things that might go wrong. X - both optimist and pessimist
51. I tend to focus on the negative. X - little bit of both
52. I don't like competition, I just want to have fun. Y
53. I don't like to voice my own opinions. N
54. I am not very creative. N
55. I like to make my strengths and achievements known. Y
56. I don't change myself to adapt to various situations. N
57. I am sometimes too sensitive for my own good. Y
58. I don't waste a lot of time looking for errors. Y
59. I prefer to follow rules and regulations. Y
60. I always expect things to turn out well. X - more optimist vs pessimist
61. I am conscientious. N
62. I am methodical and like to focus on details. N
63. I am more interested in immediate goals in the here-and-now than the long-term future. Y
64. I am rarely persuasive, and I'm not good at negotiation. Y

2w3 was your highest score. This just happens to be the "sexiest" of the enneagram types. 7w6 was the second highest score. 9w8 is the third leg of the tritype.

2w3 7w6 9w8 or 279. Your big thing is to keep things positive and peaceful.

Your lowest three scores were 1, 5, and 8.

 

[Mal12345]

On the “prefer” questions, I put N if I didn’t have a strong preference either way.
On the “and” questions, I put Y if at least one item applied.

1. I prefer to follow my own approach. Y
2. I enjoy analyzing people. Y
3. I openly express feelings, or, I find it difficult to conceal my feelings. N
4. I enjoy working with numbers. Y
5. I am cautious when it comes to making decisions. X they are given due consideration. No more or less.
6. I believe the practical is more important than the theoretical. N
7. I'm not the type to follow convention. X I do when it makes sense to do so.
8. I am not highly ambitious and prefer to take a more laid-back approach. X I am ambitious but also patient and laid-back.
9. I am adaptable, I take a different approach to different people and situations. Y
10. I prefer routine over variety; repetitive work doesn't bother me. N
11. I don't like detailed tasks; I tend to be rather unorganized and unsystematic. N
12. I prefer to make my own decisions. Y
13. I am outspoken. N
14. I am modest. Y
15. Analyzing people is not important to me. N
16. I would rather spend my time being alone. Y
17. I am competitive and dislike losing. Y
18. I enjoy being in charge. N
19. I critically evaluate information and focus upon errors. N
20. I am trusting, I see others as honest and reliable. N
21. I am interested in theories and enjoy playing with abstract concepts. Y
22. I generally feel awkward meeting new people. X If they feel awkward, i'll probably feel awkward. If not, then no.
23. I am highly ambitious and strive to achieve more. Y
24. I don't like telling other people what to do. Y
25. I am good at persuading people. Y, when I care to try.
26. I don't mind breaking rules and I dislike bureaucracy. Y, I do not dislike bureaucracy on principle but I have no issues with tossing rules that serve no good purpose.
27. I am innovative. Y, though out of laziness rather than imagination.
28. I am talkative and enjoy being the center of attention. X
29. I am thick-skinned and not easily offended. Y
30. I like to be around other people. N
31. I prefer to remain detached from other people's problems. Y
32. I prefer to take a conventional approach to situations. N
33. I consult others before making most decisions. Y
34. I prefer variety over routine. N
35. I dislike being the center of attention. N
36. I am helpful and supportive. Y, for a select few.
37. I don't like being pressured with extra things to do. Y
38. I find it difficult to unwind and relax. N
39. I take a long-term view and set goals for the future. Y
40. I am relatively free from worry. N
41. Opinions and feelings are more important to me than facts and numbers. N
42. I like to keep busy and enjoy having lots of things to do. N
43. I prefer to just go along to get along. Y
44. I am wary of the intentions of others. N
45. I prefer to see deadlines as optional. N
46. I am socially confident. X
47. I find it easy to relax. Y
48. I am decisive. X (hah)
49. I rarely display emotion. Y
50. I am more focused on things that might go wrong. N
51. I tend to focus on the negative. N
52. I don't like competition, I just want to have fun. N I do not believe they are mutually exclusive.
53. I don't like to voice my own opinions. Y
54. I am not very creative. X
55. I like to make my strengths and achievements known. N
56. I don't change myself to adapt to various situations. N
57. I am sometimes too sensitive for my own good. N
58. I don't waste a lot of time looking for errors. N
59. I prefer to follow rules and regulations. N
60. I always expect things to turn out well. Y
61. I am conscientious. Y
62. I am methodical and like to focus on details. Y
63. I am more interested in immediate goals in the here-and-now than the long-term future. X
64. I am rarely persuasive, and I'm not good at negotiation. N

I liked this inventory. It isn’t as easy to predict as others.

5w4 3w4 9w8. I'm adjusting for the slight type 8 bias on the test that I haven't worked out yet. 6 1 and2 (the so-called compliant types) were your 3 lowest scores, 6 being the lowest.

According to Personalitycafe (who got it from someone else) "The 935, or 539 is a very mediating tritype, this is the person who wants to mediate conflict amongst people in a detached way, less inclined to be fluid and artistic but is rather personable and detached. You can get kind of a robotic feel much like the 531."

 

[Starry]

Does the RHETI show a grasp of psychometrics? Or have you taken that one?

In my effort to seem like I knew what I was talking about I'm now realising I spoke too soon. Way too soon seeing I haven't been thinking about this all that long as it pertains to the enneagram...and neglected to take into consideration this most popular inventory? Umm

What's weird is I've actually held a formal copy of this test in my hands before but this was back when I thought the enneagram was similar to voodoo magic and in spite of a friend's insistence... couldn't be bothered to take or even read over the thing.

So, I don't know but wish I did. I'm going to go look at their free online version...

 

[Brains]

In my effort to seem like I knew what I was talking about I'm now realising I spoke too soon. Way too soon seeing I haven't been thinking about this all that long as it pertains to the enneagram...and neglected to take into consideration this most popular inventory? Umm

What's weird is I've actually held a formal copy of this test in my hands before but this was back when I thought the enneagram was similar to voodoo magic and in spite of a friend's insistence... couldn't be bothered to take or even read over the thing.

So, I don't know but wish I did. I'm going to go look at their free online version...

I heavily doubt RHETI's validity for anything because it's sold like snake oil. They take the test's internal consistency (=ability to sort people into bins from my understanding) as scientific proof that the Enneagram types exist.

 

[Starry]

Number 8 won't have any effect on the grand totals. You scored evenly on 7 and 4. Behind those was type 2. For 7's wing, 8 was higher than 6. The 4 had 3 slightly higher than 5, so statistically there was no difference between 3 and 5. But it was definitely a 2w3 for that leg of the tritype.

Considering your own self-typing as the 7, you scored 7w8, 4w3, 2w3. 742

Note: for the x's "it depends" answers, I translate most of those into no, but sometimes into yes based upon my analysis of your answers.

Whoops I missed my own results! Oooo I love this! Can't wait to ponder this further... but will mention that it is not uncommon for me to score as a 4 but this is the first time with w3! Super cool. Thanks!


Wait, you've gotta give me something from the gut mister. From the gut haha that's fun to say in my head...

 

[Starry]

I heavily doubt RHETI's validity for anything because it's sold like snake oil. They take the test's internal consistency (=ability to sort people into bins from my undrrstanding) as scientific proof that the Enneagram types exist.

I don't know what Riso and Hudson have to say about it...but no inventory will ever be able to prove that enneagram exists.

 

[small.wonder]

It depends on what you mean by "original." But it (the trifixes, so-called) was in the original group of people who invented the enneagram in the 1960s. The tritypes were a later invention.

The spiritual aspect of the enneagram has been supplanted by the more popular personality typing aspect. The enneagram itself is only a tiny part of a much larger teaching known as The Fourth Way. I've read "The Fourth Way" (Ouspensky). I've found that when talking to Fourth Way practitioners the Ray of Creation is much more valid to them, subjectively or spiritually speaking. They focus even moreso on the Hydrogens. The enneagram itself hardly ever comes up in discussion, and they don't discuss typology, probably because focusing on it will cause them to lose out on spiritual practice by becoming diverted by an irrelevant trap, or another form of addiction. Personality itself can be seen as merely a system of addictions, of mechanical behavior, of habit versus change. Typology itself is just another form of addiction, another way for the spiritual to become trapped in the addictive system. Instead of looking at the enneagram and finding eternity within, people use it to become further entrapped by their limitations.

I'm not even going to respond to all of the above spiritual mumbo jumbo, because I don't subscribe to any of that either. I see Enneagram as a valuable tool, not an end all be all answer to all things. That's silly.

But yes, I still find tritype faulty. With respect to your test, I usually type (or am typed) as 458, but find that information completely redundant. I already know that I have a heavy 5 wing, so having a "5 fix" means nothing. I already am an Sx 4, which (as aformentioned) Naranjo calls 8-like in that they are the "shameless" demanding (sadistic) 4-- so an "8fix" is just repeated info. I guess I've just found it unnecessary because it gives me no new information. I have found this with the tritypes of others as well-- people with 6-fixes who are Sp-first, or those having a 7 or 3 fix because they are Extroverted or So-first.

Personally, I'm not claiming to have solid answers, just saying that there's a lot to be considered.

 

[small.wonder]

I don't know what Riso and Hudson have to say about it...but no inventory will ever be able to prove that enneagram exists.

Actually! I've been remotely volunteering with the Enneagram Prison Project, and their reduced recidivism stats (based on inmates that went through their Enneagram program) are probably the largest proof to the psychological community of the Enneagram's validity yet! Changed lives are really the (best and) only proof to be had, in my opinion. Exciting stuff though, they recently received a government grant to continue their work!

Edit: Sorry, just read the context of your comment, now. I got excited and responded too soon. Sorry for the randomly stated info.

 

[Starry]

Actually! I've been remotely volunteering with the Enneagram Prison Project, and their reduced recidivism stats (based on inmates that went through their Enneagram program) are probably the largest proof to the psychological community of the Enneagram's validity yet! Changed lives are really the (best and) only proof to be had, in my opinion. Exciting stuff though, they recently received a government grant to continue their work!

Edit: Sorry, just read the context of your comment, now. I got excited and responded too soon. Sorry for the randomly stated info.

I'm glad you misunderstood what I was saying and got this. This is interesting to me because one of my volunteering gigs is counseling/mentoring incarcerated youth and young adults that have committed violent (non-sexual) offenses but are considered good candidates for rehabilitation. If I were to even mention the word enneagram though omg (State program).

What all are you tracking? Oh, I'm a scientist by trade so you can see why I have such interest.... How likely a released inmate is to reoffend after learning about the enneagram via your program? What is the social scientific community taking seriously?

Wait...how in God's name did you get a government grant for enneagram research?

 

[Duffy]

It depends on what you mean by "original." But it (the trifixes, so-called) was in the original group of people who invented the enneagram in the 1960s. The tritypes were a later invention.

So there's a difference between the two? I've seen people use the terms interchangeably on forums, so figured it was just arbitrary wording preferences.

But yes, I still find tritype faulty. With respect to your test, I usually type (or am typed) as 458, but find that information completely redundant. I already know that I have a heavy 5 wing, so having a "5 fix" means nothing. I already am an Sx 4, which (as aformentioned) Naranjo calls 8-like in that they are the "shameless" demanding (sadistic) 4-- so an "8fix" is just repeated info. I guess I've just found it unnecessary because it gives me no new information. I have found this with the tritypes of others as well-- people with 6-fixes who are Sp-first, or those having a 7 or 3 fix because they are Extroverted or So-first.

I use to think this, but can't say I see it this way anymore. I know a self pres 6 with a 2 fix... and 6 has no connection to type 2, nor is self pres qualities easy to conflate with 2 motivations.

I do think it's easy to misinterpret and convolute things with the tri-theories.

[Edit] I was brushing up on sp 6 and found this:

Self-Preservation Sixes can thus look like Type Twos in that they are warm and friendly and put a lot of energy and attention into the development of relationships with others. Like Type Twos, these Sixes tend to lead with affection and accommodate others as a way of forging connections-but unlike Twos, their deepest motivation is to create safety, not to gain approval in support of pride. - Beatrice Chesnut

 

[Starry]

So there's a difference between the two? I've seen people use the terms interchangeably on forums, so figured it was just arbitrary wording preferences.

I'm going to take a stab at this in the hopes that Mal will make the needed corrections to what I say but I believe the terms are used interchangeably because at the end of the day they are referring to the same thing. I think "fix" was only discussed early on in the theoretical sense...a theory about a theory. Whereas Fauvres actually did some kind of research that supposedly...not only supported a "fix influence" on a person...but suggested that taken all together these influences actually constituted a/its own personality type.


I'm having a hard time hitting "post" on the above because I keep second guessing my understanding but...

 

[pinkgraffiti]

[MENTION=13589]Mal12345[/MENTION]
Nice I like tests...here goes:

1 Y
2 Y
3 Y
4 Y
5 Y
6 N
7 Y
8 N
9 Y
10 N
11 Y !
12 Y
13 Y
14 Y
15 N
16 N
17 Y
18 Y
19 N
20 Y
21 Y
22 N
23 Y
24 Y
25 Y
26 Y
27 N
28 Y
29 N !
30 Y
31 N
32 N
33 Y
34 Y
35 Y
36 Y
37 Y
38 N
39 Y
40 N
41 Y
42 Y
43 N !
44 N
45 N
46 N
47 Y
48 Y
49 N
50 Y
51 N
52 N
53 N
54 N
55 N
56 N
57 Y
58 N
59 N
60 N
61 Y
62 N
63 N
64 N

Thanks.

Ps: Is it complicated to just put this in a script? Maybe you could ask someone to help you!? I feel semi-guilty that you have to check all these answers one by one.

 

[Mal12345]

Thanks for doing this. I was thinking an 8 fix was unrealistic for me. 541 is what I type as now, but it's just a guess.

Do you think your reworking of the answer key will give more Type 2 results? What's missing or misleading in enneagram tests that Twos are harder to pin down?

He said that mothers and housewives select type 2 responses because they believe that's how they are as mothers and housewives. They don't select based on how they themselves are as people.

 

[Mal12345]

[MENTION=13589]Mal12345[/MENTION]
Nice I like tests...here goes:

1 Y
2 Y
3 Y
4 Y
5 Y
6 N
7 Y
8 N
9 Y
10 N
11 Y !
12 Y
13 Y
14 Y
15 N
16 N
17 Y
18 Y
19 N
20 Y
21 Y
22 N
23 Y
24 Y
25 Y
26 Y
27 N
28 Y
29 N !
30 Y
31 N
32 N
33 Y
34 Y
35 Y
36 Y
37 Y
38 N
39 Y
40 N
41 Y
42 Y
43 N !
44 N
45 N
46 N
47 Y
48 Y
49 N
50 Y
51 N
52 N
53 N
54 N
55 N
56 N
57 Y
58 N
59 N
60 N
61 Y
62 N
63 N
64 N

Thanks.

Ps: Is it complicated to just put this in a script? Maybe you could ask someone to help you!? I feel semi-guilty that you have to check all these answers one by one.

It's complicated because the score key isn't finished yet. It still needs some work.

 

[Mal12345]

I heavily doubt RHETI's validity for anything because it's sold like snake oil. They take the test's internal consistency (=ability to sort people into bins from my understanding) as scientific proof that the Enneagram types exist.

Actually not. Objective conviction regarding the enneagram comes from the SHL enneagram study. https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/...rst-validation-study-of-the-enneagram-system/
"Released August 2005, Stone Ridge, New York, USA. The Enneagram Institute is pleased to announce that a year-long research project has shown that the nine types of the Enneagram are “real and objective,” and that they are strongly supported by the psychometric evidence applied to the Enneagram by the researchers at SHL Group Plc, a world leader in objective assessment."