I want no bias here...

[existence]

You seem very logical, or at least value it to an inordinate degree. A higher degree than most INTP's, actually. Even an INTP/INTJ/ISTP will be able to talk about their feeling side. How they feel. What affects them, how it does. I notice you avoid this. That tells me that there is a block there. That is one reason why I think you are an F type. You go so far to avoid it.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. But I will have to tell you; That there about my internal motivations is speculation that does not match reality.

I can talk about my feeling side if you ask me questions specifically about it. Feel free to do so.

Where do you see your Fe? I see a strong Ti backing up a weak Fe filtered through a massively strong Ni.

That's a good summary in terms of strong Ti, weak Fe, Ni aspiring to be strong.

Your Fe (through Ni) is causing you to go in circles all over this thread because what people are saying doesn't jive with what you FEEL to be true.

Have I ever used this sort of reasoning - nope, on the contrary, I stated several times that I prefer to decide type based on impartial reasoning. Your guess about my internal process didn't work out in reality. It's OK I suppose, speculative guesses usually don't work out anyway.

You manipulate two different systems to get the answers you want. You aren't impartial or objective. Where I see a difference of opinion you see "assumptions" you deem right/wrong and bristle at. Yet, you do the very same. Telling Poki that his experience of Ti is wrong, for instance. You have done this with me also, I've just let it slide but it comes off as hypocritical to say the least. Weak Fe.

Yes, you are making guesses, assumptions about my motivations here. I no longer mind, I understand you are just trying to help while getting tangled up in your own speculation that isn't verified in any way whatsoever.

No, when I told Poki that his Ti isn't the same as Jungian Ti-dominant, it had nothing to do with being hypocritical. It's simply true based on checking whether his description of the way he experiences Ti fits the jungian framework. It does not. If you don't believe me, feel free to read the Psychological Types link I gave earlier in this thread.

I agree on weak Fe.

I see you avoiding Fe, also. You negate any kind of notion you utilize emotion in any capacity. You make decisions based on "pure logical detailed analysis", "scientific methods" etc. Bullshit. No one does that all the time and it would be really unhealthy if they did. Robots do that. You aren't a robot. How do you feel?

I get called a robot a lot.. I do have some emotions sometimes but it's not easy to express them.

I never claimed that I make decisions based on the scientific method - no. The way I view scientific thinking is, it's the most refined version of human thinking possible at the moment. This is what I strive for because it's beautiful. That is, I don't really care for the scientific methodology for its own sake. I don't believe in being able to reach Absolute Truth as a fallible human but it is a nice dream of humanity.

Where you ask "How do I feel?" - do you mean right now? Right now I feel intellectual wonder.

Did that above. Now you admitted you see Ni and Ti right here. So what do you think you are in MBTI?

I already told you a few posts above, maybe it got lost in the sea of details, lol. But I restated it now, so you should be able to see it now.

To you, because you are filtering it through Ni.

You aren't looking at the whole picture. You are looking at minutia and hoping that it will explain everything. It won't. You won't find a scientific method with Jung, or MBTI because it is theory. It isn't proven. BUT! The theory has structure. The theory has a theory. I see you picking a function description from MBTI and then from socionics and go back and forth like that with our opinions or how we see it, then you state how you see it, etc. You say you are translating it. Okay. You are doing this in your head but we here, at least me, do not know which description you are describing when. You seem to flit back to one when the other isn't working for you. Then combine a bit of both when it is convienient. Then reject it when it isn't.

Science is about theories. Who told you it isn't? Lol.

No, I'm not going back and forth, I was simply collecting data for analysis. You know, the computer

No, I'm not simply looking at minutia with unreasonable expectations of it "explaining everything".

I did always specify which description or definition I was talking about if I thought the context was not unambiguous enough. Maybe you skimmed too fast, maybe it was still too ambiguous. If something is unclear you, do feel free to ask and I will happily explain.

No, I don't combine theories just based on "convenience", I don't do reasoning out of "convenience" any more often than you yourself or anyone else. Consider this. Do not project yourself here.

Gotcha, sounds like Ni + Ti. I have a brand of this myself

This is manipulative of both systems. You have to take them at their respective theories. The fact that you are mixing them, then translating them (you say) it is haphazard. You aren't working within the systems you are exploiting them in a logically illogical way.

No, I was strictly referring to MBTI in that statement. I was not mixing it with Socionics. Your claims here are getting boring tbh. You've really misread how I work.

Again, Ti in service of Ni with a greedy little Fe.

Greedy Fe? Because I used one emoticon? Now do I try to avoid owning up to any emotion on purpose as you earlier claimed or do I actually show some emotion? Rarely, though, sure.

You already said you have Ni and Ti. So why do I need to show Ni symbolism to you? Because it is one part of one part that you don't identify with? That is normal.

Lol basically the core of Ni is very closely related to symbolism. So if someone does not do this much then they are not Ni-dom.

In BDSM, you would be known as a "bossy bottom". I'm teasing you.

Nope. I don't really know where this association even comes from.

No, not a rabbit hole as I've already drawn my conclusions. Though I'm open to hearing more on Fe.

Your last sentence must be a joke; you have not seen me outside this forum. You don't have the means to tell how Se I am outside the forum so don't assume. The ISTPs also engaged in it while they are all Se supposedly.

But this is a very F response. Not logical at all and you do this throughout the thread. You analysis may be logical but you are quick to jump on what you see as "assumption". These assumptions wouldn't bother me. They would just be "that guy/girls opinion"

It is what really says feeler to me.

Lol wait, because I used an emoticon, it makes it a very F response? Or because I said "it must be a joke"?

What exactly did you find illogical in those statements? These were actually simple facts... an IQ of 80 is already enough to comprehend them... I said: 1) She/he didn't see me outside the forum 2) they cannot tell how I am outside the forum -> pointless to assume what it is like 3) ISTPs also engaged in a lot of analysis in this thread.

Why assumptions annoy me - good question. If someone guesses about my motivations, I have this knee jerk reaction. Always had it.

So I'm sorry if you found anything hard to read or offensive. It really isn't my plan to upset you but I had to be honest and with that may have come some harshness. Like I said, this is ultimately about you and how you see yourself but I don't get the sense you are learning anything that you can hang your hat on here and it is going into more circles that I don't care to follow. Best of luck.

I don't get the sense that you are willing to hear me out where you are wrong with your guesses. Yeah I don't really care, I'm past the analysis, I gave my conclusions just now.

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Man some INFJ hate here lol.

I'm gone. I knew I had good reason not to participate.
:backout:

I don't hate INFJ's if you mean me, that's not why I don't type as INFJ.

If by good reason you mean you didn't feel like reading all the posts, sure, however reading the first post and additionally posts #4 and #13 would have been sufficient if you just wanted to offer your input on my typing.

 

[existence]

Woohoo...we made it how many pages and you really still where you started...just certain now. IST-J with a high Ti and Se...lmao. or ISTP/J.

I didn't see the "standard" ISTPs so closely before so that's what the many pages gave me. It's been fun talking to you, I hope you didn't mind either.

Yes, i was being sarcastic about Ni and intuition. ENFJs love to talk out of thier ass as he said. Inferior Ti.

Eh.

Your Ti is way to anal for my taste...not even able to put concepts together like scientific conspiracy theories and have to dispute it based on "logic". Honestly not everything is black and white and there is a grey area where scientific theory and conspiracy theory overlap. No I won't provide an example as proof. I am still not convinced your Ti is your dom, but some over used other function to help you navigate through life. Just possibly your most used as it doesn't seem like you fully utilize it to its fullest extent as if its controlled by another function. I don't see INFJ at all or any dom Ni type. Due to your analness you seem more empirically driven then Ti driven...but it's your vision I can have so much fun with you combining concepts hat don't go together as a way to get a point across that's missed for its "logic". Yeah...you have the typical ISTJ analness, not saying you are boring. Your serious side is just an anally logical. Just as Te is very high in my stack when I take tests as well as Fi. So at the end of the day you picked what Matheson the truth you want to be, because they all do mAtchison and match very well. ISTx, ISTJ/P, ISTJ with alot of Ti.

I understand you have a concept of "scientific conspiracy theories", I just disagree on the idea. No big deal now, is it. Btw the examples I ask for are concrete data for analysis, not "evidence" in the Te sense.

I see your Ti in the same way, so we are on the same page, lol. It's ok. Fair enough!

Do you understand the idea though on how Ti in you and me are equally strong, just approached differently. Now you call your way dominant Ti, I call my way dominant Ti.

Hmm, just don't know yet what notation I'll create for my typing, lol.

 

[Poki]

I didn't see the "standard" ISTPs so closely before so that's what the many pages gave me. It's been fun talking to you, I hope you didn't mind either. ..oh wait below you do say you had fun with it too




Eh.




I understand you have a concept of "scientific conspiracy theories", I just disagree on the idea. No big deal now, is it. Btw the examples I ask for are concrete data for analysis, not "evidence" in the Te sense.

I see your Ti in the same way, so we are on the same page, lol. It's ok. Fair enough!

Do you understand the idea though on how Ti in you and me are equally strong, just approached differently. Now you call your way dominant Ti, I call my way dominant Ti.

Hmm, just don't know yet what notation I'll create for my typing, lol.

If you have to create a type then you have not fit yourself in the framework. You have created a new one.

No I don't see how it's both Ti but different. The final logical analysis may be different and I completely expect that. It makes no sense to say it's different but the same. Unlike the scientific conspiracy theory where you are stacking concepts. You are saying 2!=2 while 2=2. Makes no sense conceptually. I understand Ni has different visioN's and conspiracy theories, but there is just one flavor of Ni that I can sense across user...not each with their own version of Ni. So you can learn Ni by its vision and you can them play with that vision. It's obvious in INTJs and INFJs. But Ni is not different. We may have different truths, but Ti is still the same and I don't know. Oh well. I don't see how it's possible. Just how it's possible to have a different logical framework itself which is what Ti builds. That's why I can understand the whole ISTJ/P or the ISTx, or even coming up with a new naming convention...which honestly is no different then me saying scientific conspiracy theory...I fit in the framework if I modify this and modify that and there...I am in...nice and cozy as things are squished and changed and tweaked to fit you in. Which I completely understand, but you can't even see that. Your Ti just seems limited in scope greatly.

Oh well...was interesting. I didn't get to let my Ti and Ni play much.l, to much anal. Had some fun parts though.

 

[existence]

If you have to create a type then you have not fit yourself in the framework. You have created a new one.

Exactly, I already alluded to this earlier. Changing the framework, that is, updating it to a newer version.

No I don't see how it's both Ti but different. The final logical analysis may be different and I completely expect that. It makes no sense to say it's different but the same. Unlike the scientific conspiracy theory where you are stacking concepts. You are saying 2!=2 while 2=2. Makes no sense conceptually. I understand Ni has different visioN's and conspiracy theories, but there is just one flavor of Ni that I can sense across user...not each with their own version of Ni. So you can learn Ni by its vision and you can them play with that vision. It's obvious in INTJs and INFJs. But Ni is not different. We may have different truths, but Ti is still the same and I don't know. Oh well. I don't see how it's possible. Just how it's possible to have a different logical framework itself which is what Ti builds. That's why I can understand the whole ISTJ/P or the ISTx, or even coming up with a new naming convention...which honestly is no different then me saying scientific conspiracy theory...I fit in the framework if I modify this and modify that and there...I am in...nice and cozy as things are squished and changed and tweaked to fit you in. Which I completely understand, but you can't even see that. Your Ti just seems limited in scope greatly.

Oh well...was interesting. I didn't get to let my Ti and Ni play much.l, to much anal. Had some fun parts though.

No, I'm not saying 2!=2 while 2=2. Simply, a variable is introduced in the system that you are missing right now. I'm not talking about different content in your Ti and my Ti, no, I'm talking about how we use Ti. You did see those descriptions showing how the four preferred functions work in different positions yeah? I'm talking about that sort of idea. I'm just looking at all eight functions instead of four and my thinking is that your Ti is just as strong as dominant Ti, but it is in the other four functions as you devalued the idea of a consistent logical truth, which is a very important idea that dominant Ti should agree with.

Also you are wrong about assuming that I don't see what you meant by modifying frameworks. You have some real weird assumptions about what I may understand and what I may not understand that are really off base, sorry.

What you see is not my Ti being limited in scope - you are only seeing the Rational rigidity of dominant Thinking which is what Jung also says about Rational Ti as dominant function, jungian Ti is also anal like that:

"In thinking out his problems to the utmost of his ability, he also complicates them, and constantly becomes entangled in every possible scruple. However clear to himself the inner structure of his thoughts may be (...). Only with difficulty can he persuade himself to admit that what is clear to him may not be equally clear to everyone. His style is usually loaded and complicated by all sorts of accessories, qualifications, saving clauses (...), which spring from his exacting scrupulousness."

(Classics in the History of Psychology -- Jung (1921/1923) Chapter 10)

 

[Poki]

Exactly, I already alluded to this earlier. Changing the framework, that is, updating it to a newer version.




No, I'm not saying 2!=2 while 2=2. Simply, a variable is introduced in the system that you are missing right now. I'm not talking about different content in your Ti and my Ti, no, I'm talking about how we use Ti. You did see those descriptions showing how the four preferred functions work in different positions yeah? I'm talking about that sort of idea. I'm just looking at all eight functions instead of four and my thinking is that your Ti is just as strong as dominant Ti, but it is in the other four functions as you devalued the idea of a consistent logical truth, which is a very important idea that dominant Ti should agree with.

Also you are wrong about assuming that I don't see what you meant by modifying frameworks. You have some real weird assumptions about what I may understand and what I may not understand that are really off base, sorry.

What you see is not my Ti being limited in scope - you are only seeing the Rational rigidity of dominant Thinking which is what Jung also says about Rational Ti as dominant function, jungian Ti is also anal like that:

"In thinking out his problems to the utmost of his ability, he also complicates them, and constantly becomes entangled in every possible scruple. However clear to himself the inner structure of his thoughts may be (...). Only with difficulty can he persuade himself to admit that what is clear to him may not be equally clear to everyone. His style is usually loaded and complicated by all sorts of accessories, qualifications, saving clauses (...), which spring from his exacting scrupulousness."

(Classics in the History of Psychology -- Jung (1921/1923) Chapter 10)

And that quote you put is exactly what others describe as Ni...which is also see very strong in nature, but in a different realm then Si. I tend to see what he is fighting as an Pi trait and having to use logic to rationalize it out. I use Se because honestly to much of being in the same extroverted and introverted is a bad thing and doesn't push us to grow and learn outside for who we are inside. It's why at the end of the day I rely on what's around me to correct my inner thoughts, not logic.

Ti works toward an inner consistency as well which you don't have. You pull shit out of your asstatus such as "I am working to fit within the framework" except you pick and decide which parts of the framework you wanna fit in and then say screw it...I fit right here. Your consistency is lacking which MDP has pointed out.

We all make assumptions...it's life. You will have to get over it, especially on a board due to the fact that as an S type I am running blind on here. Which I have pointed out over and over and which is what actually helps to resolve my Ti and Ni. What Jung does is stay in his head and roll shit around which I do as well...but he has to pull in data from the outer world as a check not just as a point of "ooohhhhh run mentally and analyze it out" that creates a very unbalanced person that is way to internal. I am a big picture person and you as way to zoomed in and miss the forest for the trees.

Fwiw, my dad who is INTJ is more "logic" then I am because I don't give a shit, he is just as analytical if not more then me. Why, because I don't really care. Just as an ENFJ may be more emotional or Feely then an F type while processing. Because the Fi type doesn't give a shit, it's who we are and is always present. Doesn't mean we "have" to listen to it. A more dom/aux Fe will try to control feelings. Where as an Fi person will more roll it around as a process to build frameworks which is a complete understanding of everything. I do the same, limiting it to what I see as "logical" limits how I see the world and miss have the stuff out there.

The more I talk to you the more and more I am convinced of your type. The more and more I see who you are white you are focused on let's logically think things through...you miss the forest for the "logic" tree.

Then again I don't hold people like Jung as all knowing either so I don't really trust his vision and would prefer to refine it beyond what he could reason out and process.

The hang up on assumptions is a very IJ thing, the closing off for a theory is a very IJ thing, you scream alot of IJ...the having to reopen up change your axioms and then close back off until next time is a very IJ thing. They are all signs of being dom Pi turning to the trusted Ji of choice. Which is the loop people refer to.

Oh well, I already know how you will respond. Not word for word, but you have already created patterns here and such. While I won't argue with what you do, it's not the essence of who you are which is more big picture.

Why are you hell bent on being dom Ti? I have Te way high in my stack when I test, yet I don't care to point out that I am Ti-Te or wherever Te was on my tests.

Oh well, have fun with your logic and where it takes you.

At this point it's simple a preference of what matters to you anyway as you have stated. And I respect that, as well as I respect the finding a new type. It wouldn't have taken me 30 pages to decide though. I fit in them all and I can pick and choose as I see fit...or as I feel like punlink one way out of my ass just for fun...I change my type to ESTp whenever I feel like it because I don't have to hold onto a single vision and a single vision tonportray. I am not segmented off like that...which is also a very dom Pi thing.

Unlike you I am not gonna argue one instance over another I am gonna look at the overall picture..if I look at each tree I can put you as everytype out there as can I do with myself. That's part of the framework I built, to be able to see how things fit in every hole, but also to see how they fit in the bigger picture.

Apologize for my stupid phone changing words on me.

 

[existence]

And that quote you put is exactly what others describe as Ni... (...)

Why are you hell bent on being dom Ti? I have Te way high in my stack when I test, yet I don't care to point out that I am Ti-Te or wherever Te was on my tests.

Oh well, have fun with your logic and where it takes you.

At this point it's simple a preference of what matters to you anyway as you have stated. And I respect that, as well as I respect the finding a new type. It wouldn't have taken me 30 pages to decide though. I fit in them all and I can pick and choose as I see fit...or as I feel like punlink one way out of my ass just for fun...I change my type to ESTp whenever I feel like it because I don't have to hold onto a single vision and a single vision tonportray. I am not segmented off like that...which is also a very dom Pi thing.

Unlike you I am not gonna argue one instance over another I am gonna look at the overall picture..if I look at each tree I can put you as everytype out there as can I do with myself. That's part of the framework I built, to be able to see how things fit in every hole, but also to see how they fit in the bigger picture.

Apologize for my stupid phone changing words on me.

I have a bigger picture myself - you are just not able to see inside my mind to see it. I find it rather funny how you keep thinking the wrong things about how I function internally. I actually think it's you missing the point here about that. It's OK, it's not exactly a trivial task to correctly infer it all from a few ambiguous only loosely related pieces of data.

You forget that much of the 30 pages was me wanting to get to know ISTPs more closely. I wanted to hear data, descriptions, about how you ISTPs work. I told you this before.

You do know I decided on ISTJ dichotomy-wise in MBTI so it was pointless to keep talking about how I look soooo IJ. I do, yes. I did like how you noticed that pretty early on.

However, my dominant function is jungian Ti. You asked why, simple, Jung makes the most sense and I fit his definition of Ti dom. If you don't agree with Jung, fine, feel free to keep using your own concepts of overly simplified MBTI definitions. But you are missing part of the picture by sticking to simplistic MBTI.

I think you fit this the most: "An internal physical/factual awareness. It is what it is according to the internalized facts which it is continually building upon."

PS: I don't have a problem with you personally. No worries on the phone issue.

 

[estorm]

I think it's great how just about everyone reading and participating in this thread has shown their ability to see a person's types using various means to get there. If it weren't for the unfortunate cyclical nature of the thread, it might have been quiet interesting and informative. As has been pointed out, everyone seems to have come to the same conclusion with no significant movement since the beginning.

Just to mess things up, think about this possibility ...

What if a 3w4 sx INFJ Ni-Fe-Te-Si who idealized logical thought and wanted to project a hyper-rational personae tried to get a lot of attention by seeing how long they could string people along and rack up a high volume thread and post rate. What if they questioned everything and circled back around to previous points, but never seemed to come to a conclusion - but not out of any lack of logic or understanding of the theories involved because say they are just collecting data with which to analyze. And in fact, what if they get to show how smart, informed, clever, and special they are in the process. What if when anyone questioned their motives they either said there is no way anyone can know what's going on in their head or said something nice to placate.

And then try to imagine what could be going on in this thread if the above is just a wild fantasy.

I just love personalities. They are infinitely fascinating.

 

[existence]

I think it's great how just about everyone reading and participating in this thread has shown their ability to see a person's types using various means to get there. If it weren't for the unfortunate cyclical nature of the thread, it might have been quiet interesting and informative. As has been pointed out, everyone seems to have come to the same conclusion with no significant movement since the beginning.

That's incorrect. I did come to a lot of conclusions that I did not have at the start of the thread. It's been useful to me. I would love it if it turned out to be useful to others too, such as reading Jung and then understanding my claims about Rationality and Ti.

One of my conclusions was directly regarding my type, if you missed the post, it's here: http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/what-s-my-type-/80434-bias-post2571564.html#post2571564

I even put it in bold, underlined, extra sized so people would see and not have to waste time on trying to type me as I already have my conclusion on my MBTI type. Though of course, if something is unclear to someone about my conclusion, I'm happy to explain more.

Just to mess things up, think about this possibility ...

What if a 3w4 sx INFJ Ni-Fe-Te-Si who idealized logical thought and wanted to project a hyper-rational personae tried to get a lot of attention by seeing how long they could string people along and rack up a high volume thread and post rate. What if they questioned everything and circled back around to previous points, but never seemed to come to a conclusion - but not out of any lack of logic or understanding of the theories involved because say they are just collecting data with which to analyze. And in fact, what if they get to show how smart, informed, clever, and special they are in the process. What if when anyone questioned their motives they either said there is no way anyone can know what's going on in their head or said something nice to placate.

And then try to imagine what could be going on in this thread if the above is just a wild fantasy.

I just love personalities. They are infinitely fascinating.

Pointless whatif.

And you are being incredibly passive-aggressive. It's pretty obvious you are assuming a lot of bullshit about me based on idk what. If you have a problem with anything I've concretely done in this thread, be specific about what that problem is and state it directly to me.

I'm all ears.

 

[estorm]

I'm glad you got something out of it and shared it (in post #298).

Yup, just a pointless whatif. Feel free to disregard if you want.

No passive aggression at all. [Passive aggressive would be to point out in some clever way that you were assuming things about me to come to those conclusions. I'll just be direct here.] But no. It was for the group, not you specifically. I thought it interesting to imagine all of the different possible explanations for this thread. Some others had also thought along those lines as well.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

Ok, I went back to the beginning, The very title of the thread, "I want no bias here", is directed social control. You are directing all those who are reading the thread to put away "bias", none of which was evident prior yo your post. Fe use, dom or aux

I tried to keep it short for you all, oh great expert typers. With that many questions, that's not exactly possible, so, I'm happy already if you just skim parts but do give some input. Thanks for reading this =)

Your statement here is interesting. Instead of just submitting this questionaire, you gave more directions, as well as a judgment of those who dare try to type you, "oh great expert typers", and a pleasantry. Fe[/

1) What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?

I seem to have two modes of how I think. One seems right brained holistic vs the other one rather left brained detail oriented. I don't want to explain more on these modes, to not bias anyone.

Fe Ti pretty well described. Plus concern for others. Concern for what others may think here is pretty Fe.

3) Think about a time where you felt like you were at your finest. Tell us what made you feel that way.

Working through crazy impossible seeming tasks. E.g. I had to find the way in a completely foreign place with almost zero information provided and with serious restriction on the time, it was great solving this task seemingly effortlessly; in reality I was relying a lot on gut instincts, it is fun how well that can work. I actually have done this many times

Physical challenges. Feeling in flow.

Also feel great when I feel like a real computer... Looking at a whole screen of numbers and effortlessly seeing the patterns in them and manipulating them.

I have a similar feeling also when I've got through a real thorough detail oriented analysis of details and experiences and as a consequence can see how things work together, I see the main principles, the logical links establishing structure, determining the degree of relevancy for everything, all of it allowing me to make judgments very easily and quickly.

I relate to everything you said. It feels like something I would write. Je is about decision making and you like making them quickly, following your gut. Revising here to FeNi. INFJ are slow reactors. Seeing patterns is Ni and relevancy is Fe. Seeing how everything fits together quickly and determining value is FeNi in action.

4) What makes you feel inferior?

People stuff. Also I don't like creativity tests requiring brainstorming...

You are bothered by people stuff. As our ISTPs have demonstrated throughout the thread and others, they are not bothered much by that. They just don't give a fuck. And ISTJs are pretty obtuse on this stuff until late at night.

Brainstorming is Ne in action, so it isn't in your stack.

NFJ with undeveloped Fe, Ni-Ti loop. Definitely not a STP.

5) What tends to weigh on your decisions? (Do you think about people, pro-cons, how you feel about it, etc.)

The objective first and foremost. Main decisive factors of the situation/issue effortlessly selected with priorities determined either directly based on the objective or also by previous thorough analysis of the details if complexity warranted such thoroughness.

Prioritizing is a Je activity. "Effortlessly" seems pretty Je

6) When working on a project what is normally your emphasis? Do you like to have control of the outcome?

The objective determines the rest. Yes I want control.

Goal oriented. Control focused. Je

7) Describe a time where you had a lot of fun. How is your memory of it?

With friends, not feeling left out, actually involved.

Not feeling left out seems very Fe. With friends, Fe. Involved, Fe

8) When you want to learn something new, what feels more natural for you?

Depends on the subject that I need to learn and on the circumstances, do I have enough time to cover everything, do I even need that to achieve my goal, etc.

I have two ways primarily. One of them is learn on the move whatever I need for the task at a given moment. The advantage is that I learn it through direct experience right away. I don't like how it may not cover everything though. It will stay as a persistent annoyance in the background if I do not have complete understanding but I don't always have the time to get into everything deep enough :/. The other way is sit down learn and cover everything via thorough analysis. I will however need to practice what I've understood to commit it properly to memory and to become quick and flexible enough at application as it initially is a rather rigid understanding.

Very ENFJ. Learning enough for the task, not being an expert, not needing needing every last detail 100%. ISTJ would want 100% detail and would respond rigidly. ISTP would just master it, Poki has talked about that here and his house thread.

9) How organized do you think of yourself as?

I am very organized for my long term goals and for some daily things, many things I own have their own places as well. I do have some disorganization too that I'd rather not have so I fully clean it up periodically. Some of the small details I don't ever find enough interest to fix, though, it'd be just a waste of time. I'd rather not show those details to others tho'.

I don't keep my daily schedule completely strictly either, I can and will easily shift timings of things, though I do get the important things done as I intended. Certain tasks that don't need more than a day's work I only do right before the deadline and that way the quality of the work is just fine but with other things that need more work than that I will try to start well in time to ensure the quality doesn't suffer.

So overall I don't think I'm organized in everything, I'm not sure how I am compared to others though, things that I find really basic seem like overkill in terms of organization from the viewpoint of some people. At the same time I'm also accused of disorganization and procrastination, not by the same people obviously.

Very Fe version of organization. Goal oriented, but flexible, weighing the human efficiency of each task and priority. Quality depends on need. Importance judges order. Fe.

10) How do you judge new ideas? You try to understand the principles behind it to see if they make sense or do you look for information that supports it?

Principles pulled from a lot of information if it's truly a new topic. If it's in an area I already have a strong understanding of, I will just make snap judgments, right away.

Principle based understanding is F. Snap judgments are Je.

11) You find harmony by making sure everyone is doing fine and belonging to a given group or by making sure that you follow what you believe and being yourself?

The former but oh, so rarely do I have attention on this. Only if I feel responsible for the group.

Fe, Fe, Fe. Fi follows self. Feeling responsible for the group is Fe.

12) Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?

Both, I can easily speak of the snap judgments, other things I will have to think about. Either way of communication works though in groups my attention is only on one person at a time and I have to constantly switch my focus between the different people to keep things together in my head.

Again, snap judgments is a ENFJ thing. Care about audience is Fe.

13) Do you jump into action right away or do you like to know where are you jumping before leaping? Does action speaks more than words?

Depends but I am often too impatient to look up things/details and then I either jump in blindly, which does bother me a bit but does not stop me from doing so, or I will quickly decide on the main decisive factors about whether to go or not to go and then again I jump in quickly. In other cases I'll get some information first. Actions and words are equal in terms of importance, words can be nice but I will check for consistency between the two.

Action oriented is Je, or Se. Quick decisions are Je.

14) It's Saturday. You're at home, and your favorite show is about to start. Your friends call you for a night out. What will you do?

I will go if I'm convinced it'll go well or if I decide I should go for whatever reason. Favourite show in these cases is to be watched later.

limited Fe. Likely underdeveloped such as in a NiTi loop.

16) What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?

Unsympathetic attitude from some people?

Fe.

18) What kind of things do you pay the least attention to in your life?

People in a personal fashion
Out of the box thinking

Anti Ne, so Ni must be dom or aux. People aversion looks like a Fe being excludee from the ego. And the NiTi loop.

19) How do your friends perceive you? What is wrong about their perception? ? What would your friends never say about your personality ?

I've heard so many things said about me... however they would never say that I'm crazy out-there imaginative.

These also often come up, strongly and consistently emphasized by many different people: logical, insensitive, aggressive, confident, persistent, successful, know-it-all, helpful, enthusiastic.

Je people appear confident and possibly aggressive. Fe is helpful.

And then later on, you mentioned a bunch of people, including me, to attract our attention to your thread. Extremely Fe.

My final verdict is ENFJ in a NiTi loop. I don't why you hate the idea of being a feeler. And don't deny it because you rejection is so fierce.

ENFJ have the ability to repress feelings better than almost any type I read somewhere recently. The reason is that that are so opposing Fi in preference, they push it down hard. Myself, I can walk around with a happy face pushing good vibe and I can be screaming in pain on the inside and no one knows unless they catch me off guard.

In a NI-Ti loop, the Fe gets hid by the super ego. For me, this is very easy to see in myself. I lived very differently than my mental construct.

Anyway, I am likely speaking to deaf ears. You can't see for the same reason you are in the loop. Being thinking focused to an extreme is typical.

I hope you the best. I don't look forward to whatever event will shatter your loop. Mine almost killed me.

 

[existence]

I'm glad you got something out of it and shared it (in post #298).

Yup, just a pointless whatif. Feel free to disregard if you want.

No passive aggression at all. [Passive aggressive would be to point out in some clever way that you were assuming things about me to come to those conclusions. I'll just be direct here.] But no. It was for the group, not you specifically. I thought it interesting to imagine all of the different possible explanations for this thread. Some others had also thought along those lines as well.

OK.

Your idea of passive aggression is interesting btw, I define it differently

 

[existence]

Ok, I went back to the beginning (...)

Thanks for the analysis.

We don't agree on some of the definitions here, tho'.

OK, anyway, just some comments to clarify context for my statements.

I bolded the main points.

Your statement here is interesting. Instead of just submitting this questionaire, you gave more directions, as well as a judgment of those who dare try to type you, "oh great expert typers", and a pleasantry. Fe[/

Yes that one was a pretty Fe moment, which I very rarely have. I think I was just copying the expression of a good friend of mine.

You are bothered by people stuff. As our ISTPs have demonstrated throughout the thread and others, they are not bothered much by that. They just don't give a fuck. And ISTJs are pretty obtuse on this stuff until late at night.

Yeah, I do give a fuck sometimes but it's pretty rare.

Not feeling left out seems very Fe. With friends, Fe. Involved, Fe

Yeah, except that's pretty rare that I feel involved.

It's also rare that I feel left out, tho'. I just don't pay attention to this sort of stuff most of the time.

Very ENFJ. Learning enough for the task, not being an expert, not needing needing every last detail 100%. ISTJ would want 100% detail and would respond rigidly. ISTP would just master it, Poki has talked about that here and his house thread.

I do need all relevant details - the ones I find relevant - and I respond pretty rigidly. Like I was doing it in this thread.

I do like to be the expert eventually.

Very Fe version of organization. Goal oriented, but flexible, weighing the human efficiency of each task and priority. Quality depends on need. Importance judges order. Fe.

I don't weigh human efficiency. Honestly, the question of efficiency is only on my mind if I'm forced to pay attention to that first - this is pretty often, in terms of not wanting to waste my time and effort. It has nothing to do with people.

Feeling responsible for the group is Fe.

It only happens very rarely.

Again, snap judgments is a ENFJ thing. Care about audience is Fe.

I don't focus on the audience. I focus on the words of what a person says.

limited Fe. Likely underdeveloped such as in a NiTi loop.

It's limited for sure. It will always be. It's fine by me.

Unsympathetic attitude from some people?

Fe.

Yes, sometimes I care about this, usually I don't pay attention.

Anti Ne, so Ni must be dom or aux. People aversion looks like a Fe being excludee from the ego. And the NiTi loop.

Aren't ISTJs also anti-Ne?!

I don't avoid people by default. I'm pretty ok talking to them for a bit if they initiate interaction with me.

My final verdict is ENFJ in a NiTi loop. I don't why you hate the idea of being a feeler. And don't deny it because you rejection is so fierce.

No, I don't specifically hate that idea.

I don't think I'm a Feeler type, I'm sticking with my final conclusion of, ISTJ = Ti-Se judger. For myself anyway. Some other people who type ISTJ by dichotomies may not be Ti-Se by functions. The idea that J/P determines the function order in any way whatsoever is a flawed tenet of MBTI. It has never been proven either by actual studies, it was actually pretty much disproven.

ENFJ have the ability to repress feelings better than almost any type I read somewhere recently. The reason is that that are so opposing Fi in preference, they push it down hard. Myself, I can walk around with a happy face pushing good vibe and I can be screaming in pain on the inside and no one knows unless they catch me off guard.

I see, I don't really try to push any vibes - while walking around, I'm usually just focused on myself and my own movements and the objects around me while walking.

In a NI-Ti loop, the Fe gets hid by the super ego. For me, this is very easy to see in myself. I lived very differently than my mental construct.

It's not the Fe function that got hidden away for you - just awareness of certain emotions, I guess. The dominant function doesn't actually get repressed much. It would require your brain being completely turned upside-down. In that state you would not be walking around pretending happiness.

Anyway, I am likely speaking to deaf ears. You can't see for the same reason you are in the loop. Being thinking focused to an extreme is typical.

Eh, I don't like how you think I must not want to hear you at all.

I hope you the best. I don't look forward to whatever event will shatter your loop. Mine almost killed me.

No worries.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

Thanks for the analysis.

We don't agree on some of the definitions here, tho'.

This is how we here type. It isn't socionics. It isn't your system. It is similar to other typing places such as funkymbtifiction.tumblr.com.

If you disagree with our technique and definitions, then you don't want our help. You don't get to dictate to others how we will type you according to our knowledge and understanding. It is like going to the ER and saying, "Doc, I am a Eastern medicine person, so can you use acupuncture instead of drugs?" but still wanting the doctor to do it....

OK, anyway, just some comments to clarify context for my statements.

I bolded the main points.

Yes that one was a pretty Fe moment, which I very rarely have. I think I was just copying the expression of a good friend of mine.

Yeah, I do give a fuck sometimes but it's pretty rare.

Yeah, except that's pretty rare that I feel involved.

It's also rare that I feel left out, tho'. I just don't pay attention to this sort of stuff most of the time.

Rare is representative to me of the NiTi loop more than Fe in the inferior.

I do need all relevant details - the ones I find relevant - and I respond pretty rigidly. Like I was doing it in this thread.

I do like to be the expert eventually.

Enneagram 5. Not MBTI/JCF

I am comfortable acting quickly with partial knowledge. My knowledge increases with experience and practice and study, but I don't need that to act.

And as my sig says, I like to be knowledgeable about many things, which I am. Most people few me as an expert on each thing, and I admit I am damn expert on a bunch, but I know that others are hyper focused on learning one area much deeper than me.

I just think that it boring and a waste of time, but I am glad others like to waste human capital (their own).

I don't weigh human efficiency. Honestly, the question of efficiency is only on my mind if I'm forced to pay attention to that first - this is pretty often, in terms of not wanting to waste my time and effort. It has nothing to do with people.

You are a human. You are people. One problem Fe Doms and Auxs have is recognizing that their harmony, their group, includes themselves.

You weigh how long the job will take, which job is a priority, etc. A ISTJ would just try to complete the tasks. They love tasks. It guides them. They struggle giving themselves tasks, though, so they find someone who can do that for them. My ISTJ father struggles finding new tasks to do and it frustrates him. My friend's ISTJ BF is practically begging her to do things and use her Ne dom ways to find fun things to be together, because he struggles to do anything of himself.

It only happens very rarely.

I don't focus on the audience. I focus on the words of what a person says.

It's limited for sure. It will always be. It's fine by me.

Yes, sometimes I care about this, usually I don't pay attention.

Again, all about Fe of someone in a NiTi loop, not recognizing themselves.

Aren't ISTJs also anti-Ne?!

No, they have Ne. It is just undeveloped. My dad became a great artist in his 50s. He was always a hobby wood worker, but only got creative at the same time.

People tend to hate the opposite personality (5th) and opposing parent (6th) functions.

I don't hate Ti in the least. It just messes me up when it starts trying to do Fe things. And it is negative when engaged by itself, but directed inward.

I don't avoid people by default. I'm pretty ok talking to them for a bit if they initiate interaction with me.

No, I don't specifically hate that idea.

I don't think I'm a Feeler type, I'm sticking with my final conclusion of, ISTJ = Ti-Se judger. For myself anyway. Some other people who type ISTJ by dichotomies may not be Ti-Se by functions. The idea that J/P determines the function order in any way whatsoever is a flawed tenet of MBTI. It has never been proven either by actual studies, it was actually pretty much disproven.

Again, disagree all you want. But that is how we type. And you type Fe Ne Se Ti.

I see, I don't really try to push any vibes - while walking around, I'm usually just focused on myself and my own movements and the objects around me while walking.

It's not the Fe function that got hidden away for you - just awareness of certain emotions, I guess. The dominant function doesn't actually get repressed much. It would require your brain being completely turned upside-down. In that state you would not be walking around pretending happiness.

Actually, it remained there but out of my conscious mind. I am a 9. All personality is a construct in our world. And yes, it can get repressed. So, again, I lived my life clearly as a ENFJ. But, based upon my thoughts, I viewed myself as a ISTP up until May (not that I cared about the subject, I had taken the test years earlier and then ignored typology and psychology, even though it would have been valuable for my work). And I was very miserable. I trace much of my anxiety and depression of my life to this incongruity.

Our brains can pull huge tricks on us. To protect us.

Eh, I don't like how you think I must not want to hear you at all.

FE!

 

[Poki]

Thanks for the analysis.

We don't agree on some of the definitions here, tho'.

OK, anyway, just some comments to clarify context for my statements.

I bolded the main points.




Yes that one was a pretty Fe moment, which I very rarely have. I think I was just copying the expression of a good friend of mine.




Yeah, I do give a fuck sometimes but it's pretty rare.




Yeah, except that's pretty rare that I feel involved.

It's also rare that I feel left out, tho'. I just don't pay attention to this sort of stuff most of the time.




I do need all relevant details - the ones I find relevant - and I respond pretty rigidly. Like I was doing it in this thread.

I do like to be the expert eventually.




I don't weigh human efficiency. Honestly, the question of efficiency is only on my mind if I'm forced to pay attention to that first - this is pretty often, in terms of not wanting to waste my time and effort. It has nothing to do with people.




It only happens very rarely.




I don't focus on the audience. I focus on the words of what a person says.




It's limited for sure. It will always be. It's fine by me.




Yes, sometimes I care about this, usually I don't pay attention.




Aren't ISTJs also anti-Ne?!

I don't avoid people by default. I'm pretty ok talking to them for a bit if they initiate interaction with me.




No, I don't specifically hate that idea.

I don't think I'm a Feeler type, I'm sticking with my final conclusion of, ISTJ = Ti-Se judger. For myself anyway. Some other people who type ISTJ by dichotomies may not be Ti-Se by functions. The idea that J/P determines the function order in any way whatsoever is a flawed tenet of MBTI. It has never been proven either by actual studies, it was actually pretty much disproven.




I see, I don't really try to push any vibes - while walking around, I'm usually just focused on myself and my own movements and the objects around me while walking.




It's not the Fe function that got hidden away for you - just awareness of certain emotions, I guess. The dominant function doesn't actually get repressed much. It would require your brain being completely turned upside-down. In that state you would not be walking around pretending happiness.




Eh, I don't like how you think I must not want to hear you at all.




No worries.

I don't really care about relevant, because just about everything is relevant to life. I find the truth, even in the lack of truth I flip it to truth by acknowledging and storing it as things people do and say for whatever reason. I don't just dismiss the thing that is said. It's a half detachment where I can't disconnect from a third party observer picking up things outside the actual topic of discussion.

The order at which we actually use functions is not always the same. That is dependent on the environment we create. Put in a very Fe environment my Fe use would increase, may not be very good as due to who I am it cokes out more focused at a person which means it's not just niceties, but personal niceties based on that person and who they are. But when left to my own accord I fall back to Ti and being married to an ENFJ at parties and such she threw, she loves to be the host, I woud try as much as possible to just escape and get away. You need more balloons, I am on i, yea, freedom at last. Or escape with a single person and chat. Man I got bitched at alot for it.

So in conclusion Mr president, mbti defines our default function order, not our use everyday. It means our dom usually dolls out which function is gonna get the job. It may not be always right, but it's what it knows to do.

Here is anot example of ESTP which I find hilarious

 

[Tilt]

I don't really care about relevant, because just about everything is relevant to life. I find the truth, even in the lack of truth I flip it to truth by acknowledging and storing it as things people do and say for whatever reason. I don't just dismiss the thing that is said. It's a half detachment where I can't disconnect from a third party observer picking up things outside the actual topic of discussion.

Ha even as a strong Fe user, i relate to this, because one never knows if that one piece of information that you picked up from 10 years will be pivotal to an epiphany to your understanding of a particular person or a paradigm shift... or it just becomes pertinent to help solve a problem later down the road. I don't know if this is the Ni infused version, but I think that most things have truth within the constraints of each specific perspective but that is different the big objective Truth which can be hard to find because the information and the parameters tend to change over time.

P.S. Thinking about it some more, this isn't how I would naturally react... dom Je likes to quickly categorize things without the support/use of the other functions. It actually took me the last 10 years to develop this way of approaching things.

I apologize for the potential tangent... it's just so interesting to see the differences and similarities of how people of my opposite type may process things!

 

[Poki]

Ha even as a strong Fe user, i relate to this, because one never knows if that one piece of information that you picked up from 10 years will be pivotal to an epiphany to your understanding of a particular person or a paradigm shift... or it just becomes pertinent to help solve a problem later down the road. I don't know if this is the Ni infused version, but I think that most things have truth within the constraints of each specific perspective but that is different the big objective Truth which can be hard to find because the information and the parameters tend to change over time.

P.S. Thinking about it some more, this isn't how I would naturally react... dom Je likes to quickly categorize things without the support/use of the other functions. It actually took me the last 10 years to develop this way of approaching things.

I apologize for the potential tangent... it's just so interesting to see the differences and similarities of how people of my opposite type may process things!

Yeah, I spend although more time in processing, reasoning, and pulling in data then my ex did. Why I was a voice of reason. She was like jump, and I was like, let see and figure things out...then you can jump if it's warranted and in the right direction.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

Ha even as a strong Fe user, i relate to this, because one never knows if that one piece of information that you picked up from 10 years will be pivotal to an epiphany to your understanding of a particular person or a paradigm shift... or it just becomes pertinent to help solve a problem later down the road. I don't know if this is the Ni infused version, but I think that most things have truth within the constraints of each specific perspective but that is different the big objective Truth which can be hard to find because the information and the parameters tend to change over time.

P.S. Thinking about it some more, this isn't how I would naturally react... dom Je likes to quickly categorize things without the support/use of the other functions. It actually took me the last 10 years to develop this way of approaching things.

I apologize for the potential tangent... it's just so interesting to see the differences and similarities of how people of my opposite type may process things!

I used to read way too much, with a hunger for knowledge as significant as my need for food. I still read a bunch, but I am not reading 4 newspapers a day any more, on top of several books a week.

I talk with people and learn about their industries. I spent 2 hours once listening to a classmate that grew up on a cattle ranch about the economics and management for the field.

The benefit of that is I now can talk about most subjects with some random expertise. Ex. Early this year, I met an attorney who had started a fashion blog. She said she didn't know where to go with it. I immediately brought up a number of ideas she could use, and discussed the field with her, including some problems in the field she could explore. She was shocked I knew so much about this, wondering if I worked in the industry. I told her I had read a few articles years ago and never thought about the field ever sense. Then she was really shocked. But she said she was going to follow my recommendations, lol.

All knowledge is good to have. It fills the Ni vision. And allow me to spit it out as needed, but absent otherwise....

 

[Tilt]

Yeah, I spend although more time in processing, reasoning, and pulling in data then my ex did. Why I was a voice of reason. She was like jump, and I was like, let see and figure things out...then you can jump if it's warranted and in the right direction.

Kudos to you. I couldn't be like that all the time. People sometimes call me the "voice of reason" for them but it can be exhausting. The calm, collected nature of the average IXTX is something I personally greatly admire and try to learn from.

 

[Tilt]

I used to read way too much, with a hunger for knowledge as significant as my need for food. I still read a bunch, but I am not reading 4 newspapers a day any more, on top of several books a week.

I talk with people and learn about their industries. I spent 2 hours once listening to a classmate that grew up on a cattle ranch about the economics and management for the field.

The benefit of that is I now can talk about most subjects with some random expertise. Ex. Early this year, I met an attorney who had started a fashion blog. She said she didn't know where to go with it. I immediately brought up a number of ideas she could use, and discussed the field with her, including some problems in the field she could explore. She was shocked I knew so much about this, wondering if I worked in the industry. I told her I had read a few articles years ago and never thought about the field ever sense. Then she was really shocked. But she said she was going to follow my recommendations, lol.

All knowledge is good to have. It fills the Ni vision. And allow me to spit it out as needed, but absent otherwise....

Awesome, man. Isn't it quite rewarding when you can combine your vast amounts of knowledge from multiple avenues/sources and use it to accomplish a goal or to help others? I just love that feeling... it's almost euphoric to me. It's been very useful for my job!

 

[existence]

This is how we here type. It isn't socionics. It isn't your system. It is similar to other typing places such as funkymbtifiction.tumblr.com.

If you disagree with our technique and definitions, then you don't want our help. You don't get to dictate to others how we will type you according to our knowledge and understanding. It is like going to the ER and saying, "Doc, I am a Eastern medicine person, so can you use acupuncture instead of drugs?" but still wanting the doctor to do it....

I'm not using socionics here.

I could however question that anyone here uses one single consistent system, everyone seems to use their own version of the official system, often getting pretty far from it. No problem just the notation is fucked up this way.

That about using different definitions was actually an euphemism for how you used way too loose associations based on your initial unconfirmed guess that I must be repressing my Fe as ENFJ.

Don't get me wrong, I understand you are trying to help.

And I'm def. interested in discussing this with you but note, it's NOT to get typed anymore, just simply interested in some thoughts you posted.

Rare is representative to me of the NiTi loop more than Fe in the inferior.

Rare means it doesn't really happen on my own - I copied my friend as I said.

I think you missed the main point where I said: I just don't pay attention to this sort of stuff most of the time. I don't focus on the group harmony, I'm focused on the task I'm doing. If someone draws me into an interaction/group then that can be cool tho'. I just don't initiate on my own and never did.

Enneagram 5. Not MBTI/JCF

Cherrypickin' enjoyin' it

So you are saying ENFJ E5, or am I misunderstanding something.

I am comfortable acting quickly with partial knowledge. My knowledge increases with experience and practice and study, but I don't need that to act.

I'm not comfortable with it. I can act, yes, but I'm not fully comfortable with it unless all the situation requires is using the things that are right there.

And as my sig says, I like to be knowledgeable about many things, which I am. Most people few me as an expert on each thing, and I admit I am damn expert on a bunch, but I know that others are hyper focused on learning one area much deeper than me.

That's very cool, I'm usually deeply focused into one area only. Yeah, the deep hyperfocus, exactly that.

I just think that it boring and a waste of time, but I am glad others like to waste human capital (their own).

I do not find it a waste of time and it's not boring either, it's intellectual enjoyment.

One problem Fe Doms and Auxs have is recognizing that their harmony, their group, includes themselves.

What do you mean by that, please say more on this.

You weigh how long the job will take, which job is a priority, etc. A ISTJ would just try to complete the tasks. They love tasks. It guides them. They struggle giving themselves tasks, though, so they find someone who can do that for them. My ISTJ father struggles finding new tasks to do and it frustrates him. My friend's ISTJ BF is practically begging her to do things and use her Ne dom ways to find fun things to be together, because he struggles to do anything of himself.

I definitely don't care about Ne like that. I just pick a realistic opportunity and set a goal and go achieve it. Completing all the tasks on the way to it, I'm never bored by that.

No, they have Ne. It is just undeveloped. My dad became a great artist in his 50s. He was always a hobby wood worker, but only got creative at the same time.

I couldn't care less about that sort of stuff.

People tend to hate the opposite personality (5th) and opposing parent (6th) functions.

I don't hate Ti in the least. It just messes me up when it starts trying to do Fe things. And it is negative when engaged by itself, but directed inward.

What do you mean by Ti starting to try and do Fe things?

Again, disagree all you want. But that is how we type. And you type Fe Ne Se Ti.

I agree with the functions actually, you know that, yes? (Just not their order.)

It's not the Fe function that got hidden away for you - just awareness of certain emotions, I guess. The dominant function doesn't actually get repressed much. It would require your brain being completely turned upside-down. In that state you would not be walking around pretending happiness.

Actually, it remained there but out of my conscious mind. I am a 9. All personality is a construct in our world. And yes, it can get repressed. So, again, I lived my life clearly as a ENFJ. But, based upon my thoughts, I viewed myself as a ISTP up until May (not that I cared about the subject, I had taken the test years earlier and then ignored typology and psychology, even though it would have been valuable for my work). And I was very miserable. I trace much of my anxiety and depression of my life to this incongruity.

Our brains can pull huge tricks on us. To protect us.

No, some of your emotions may have been repressed but not your Fe as a cognitive function. You yourself mentioned you were still very social etc.

FE!

Heh. Yes I've learned this one bit of Fe recently.