You seem very logical, or at least value it to an inordinate degree. A higher degree than most INTP's, actually. Even an INTP/INTJ/ISTP will be able to talk about their feeling side. How they feel. What affects them, how it does. I notice you avoid this. That tells me that there is a block there. That is one reason why I think you are an F type. You go so far to avoid it.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. But I will have to tell you; That there about my internal motivations is speculation that does not match reality.
I can talk about my feeling side if you ask me questions specifically about it. Feel free to do so.
Where do you see your Fe? I see a strong Ti backing up a weak Fe filtered through a massively strong Ni.
That's a good summary in terms of strong Ti, weak Fe, Ni aspiring to be strong.
Your Fe (through Ni) is causing you to go in circles all over this thread because what people are saying doesn't jive with what you FEEL to be true.
Have I ever used this sort of reasoning - nope, on the contrary, I stated several times that I prefer to decide type based on impartial reasoning. Your guess about my internal process didn't work out in reality. It's OK I suppose, speculative guesses usually don't work out anyway.
You manipulate two different systems to get the answers you want. You aren't impartial or objective. Where I see a difference of opinion you see "assumptions" you deem right/wrong and bristle at. Yet, you do the very same. Telling Poki that his experience of Ti is wrong, for instance. You have done this with me also, I've just let it slide but it comes off as hypocritical to say the least. Weak Fe.
Yes, you are making guesses, assumptions about my motivations here. I no longer mind, I understand you are just trying to help while getting tangled up in your own speculation that isn't verified in any way whatsoever.
No, when I told Poki that his Ti isn't the same as Jungian Ti-dominant, it had nothing to do with being hypocritical. It's simply true based on checking whether his description of the way he experiences Ti fits the jungian framework. It does not. If you don't believe me, feel free to read the Psychological Types link I gave earlier in this thread.
I agree on weak Fe.
I see you avoiding Fe, also. You negate any kind of notion you utilize emotion in any capacity. You make decisions based on "pure logical detailed analysis", "scientific methods" etc. Bullshit. No one does that all the time and it would be really unhealthy if they did. Robots do that. You aren't a robot. How do you feel?
I get called a robot a lot.. I do have some emotions sometimes but it's not easy to express them.
I never claimed that I make decisions based on the scientific method - no. The way I view scientific thinking is, it's the most refined version of human thinking possible at the moment. This is what I strive for because it's beautiful. That is, I don't really care for the scientific methodology for its own sake. I don't believe in being able to reach Absolute Truth as a fallible human but it is a nice dream of humanity.
Where you ask "How do I feel?" - do you mean right now? Right now I feel intellectual wonder.
Did that above. Now you admitted you see Ni and Ti right here. So what do you think you are in MBTI?
I already told you a few posts above, maybe it got lost in the sea of details, lol. But I restated it now, so you should be able to see it now.
To you, because you are filtering it through Ni.
You aren't looking at the whole picture. You are looking at minutia and hoping that it will explain everything. It won't. You won't find a scientific method with Jung, or MBTI because it is theory. It isn't proven. BUT! The theory has structure. The theory has a theory. I see you picking a function description from MBTI and then from socionics and go back and forth like that with our opinions or how we see it, then you state how you see it, etc. You say you are translating it. Okay. You are doing this in your head but we here, at least me, do not know which description you are describing when. You seem to flit back to one when the other isn't working for you. Then combine a bit of both when it is convienient. Then reject it when it isn't.
Science is about theories. Who told you it isn't? Lol.
No, I'm not going back and forth, I was simply collecting data for analysis. You know, the computer
No, I'm not simply looking at minutia with unreasonable expectations of it "explaining everything".
I did always specify which description or definition I was talking about if I thought the context was not unambiguous enough. Maybe you skimmed too fast, maybe it was still too ambiguous. If something is unclear you, do feel free to ask and I will happily explain.
No, I don't combine theories just based on "convenience", I don't do reasoning out of "convenience" any more often than you yourself or anyone else. Consider this. Do not project yourself here.
This is manipulative of both systems. You have to take them at their respective theories. The fact that you are mixing them, then translating them (you say) it is haphazard. You aren't working within the systems you are exploiting them in a logically illogical way.Gotcha, sounds like Ni + Ti. I have a brand of this myself
No, I was strictly referring to MBTI in that statement. I was not mixing it with Socionics. Your claims here are getting boring tbh. You've really misread how I work.
Again, Ti in service of Ni with a greedy little Fe.
Greedy Fe? Because I used one emoticon? Now do I try to avoid owning up to any emotion on purpose as you earlier claimed or do I actually show some emotion? Rarely, though, sure.
You already said you have Ni and Ti. So why do I need to show Ni symbolism to you? Because it is one part of one part that you don't identify with? That is normal.
Lol basically the core of Ni is very closely related to symbolism. So if someone does not do this much then they are not Ni-dom.
In BDSM, you would be known as a "bossy bottom". I'm teasing you.
Nope. I don't really know where this association even comes from.
But this is a very F response. Not logical at all and you do this throughout the thread. You analysis may be logical but you are quick to jump on what you see as "assumption". These assumptions wouldn't bother me. They would just be "that guy/girls opinion"No, not a rabbit hole as I've already drawn my conclusions. Though I'm open to hearing more on Fe.
Your last sentence must be a joke; you have not seen me outside this forum. You don't have the means to tell how Se I am outside the forum so don't assume. The ISTPs also engaged in it while they are all Se supposedly.
It is what really says feeler to me.
Lol wait, because I used an emoticon, it makes it a very F response? Or because I said "it must be a joke"?
What exactly did you find illogical in those statements? These were actually simple facts... an IQ of 80 is already enough to comprehend them... I said: 1) She/he didn't see me outside the forum 2) they cannot tell how I am outside the forum -> pointless to assume what it is like 3) ISTPs also engaged in a lot of analysis in this thread.
Why assumptions annoy me - good question. If someone guesses about my motivations, I have this knee jerk reaction. Always had it.
So I'm sorry if you found anything hard to read or offensive. It really isn't my plan to upset you but I had to be honest and with that may have come some harshness. Like I said, this is ultimately about you and how you see yourself but I don't get the sense you are learning anything that you can hang your hat on here and it is going into more circles that I don't care to follow. Best of luck.
I don't get the sense that you are willing to hear me out where you are wrong with your guesses. Yeah I don't really care, I'm past the analysis, I gave my conclusions just now.
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Man some INFJ hate here lol.
I'm gone. I knew I had good reason not to participate.
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I don't hate INFJ's if you mean me, that's not why I don't type as INFJ.
If by good reason you mean you didn't feel like reading all the posts, sure, however reading the first post and additionally posts #4 and #13 would have been sufficient if you just wanted to offer your input on my typing.