Doesn't mean it's always correct. It's still coming from a fallible human mind, not from all-knowing God.
OK... I'm responding to the posts in detail because I appreciate you all trying to help. But most of it's insignificant details to me by now as I've already sorted out things in my mind, but, if they are significant or helpful in some way to you, then cool
Please also note that one lesson to learn from this thread is that your perception of someone is never complete especially when trying to guess at what's going on inside. I'm saying this because I find it funny how [MENTION=12103]Poki[/MENTION] thought I didn't have those aspects of Ti going on as in the posts I'm going to respond to now. I don't mind btw.
I actually say in that post that I relate to some of the ISTJ stuff and I don't to others. Same as with ISTP stuff.
I know that people who have the I, S, T, J dichotomies match them are not supposed to have Ti but that comes from an unfounded assumption in the MBTI theory. Which is, introverted judging functions (Ti/Fi) would not be observable in any way whatsoever in terms of J/P behaviour. I disagree with this tenet in MBTI.
If I'm to type as ISTJ, it would only be this based on dichotomies, not functions, which I've already stated. But functions-wise, nope, that would be Ti+Se. Feel free to consider me as a Ti+Se Judger. That would be the best way to sum up me inside the framework of MBTI. It will explain why you cannot relate to me in a lot of things and it will explain why we both do have a version of Ti.
I relate to these statements, as in the bolded:
"ISTJs don't make many assumptions, preferring instead to analyze their surroundings, check their facts and arrive at practical courses of action. ISTJ personalities are no-nonsense, and when they've made a decision, they will relay the facts necessary to achieve their goal, expecting others to grasp the situation immediately and take action. ISTJs have little tolerance for indecisiveness, but lose patience even more quickly if their chosen course is challenged with impractical theories, especially if they ignore key details – if challenges becomes time-consuming debates, ISTJs can become noticeably angry as deadlines tick nearer.
When ISTJs say they are going to get something done, they do it, meeting their obligations no matter the personal cost, and they are baffled by people who don't hold their own word in the same respect. Combining laziness and dishonesty is the quickest way to get on ISTJs' bad side. Consequently, people with the ISTJ personality type often prefer to work alone, or at least have their authority clearly established by hierarchy, where they can set and achieve their goals without debate or worry over other's reliability.
ISTJs have sharp, fact-based minds, and prefer autonomy and self-sufficiency to reliance on someone or something. Dependency on others is often seen by ISTJs as a weakness, and their passion for duty, dependability and impeccable personal integrity forbid falling into such a trap.
This sense of personal integrity is core to ISTJs, and goes beyond their own minds – ISTJ personalities adhere to established rules and guidelines regardless of cost, reporting their own mistakes and telling the truth even when the consequences for doing so could be disastrous. To ISTJs, honesty is far more important than emotional considerations, and their blunt approach leaves others with the false impression that ISTJs are cold, or even robotic. People with this type may struggle to express emotion or affection outwardly, but the suggestion that they don't feel, or worse have no personality at all, is deeply hurtful.
ISTJs' dedication is an excellent quality, allowing them to accomplish much, but it is also a core weakness that less scrupulous individuals take advantage of. ISTJs seek stability and security, considering it their duty to maintain a smooth operation, and they may find that their coworkers and significant others shift their responsibilities onto them, knowing that they will always take up the slack. ISTJs tend to keep their opinions to themselves and let the facts do the talking, but it can be a long time before observable evidence tells the whole story.
ISTJs need to remember to take care of themselves – their stubborn dedication to stability and efficiency can compromise those goals in the long term as others lean ever-harder on them, creating an emotional strain that can go unexpressed for years, only finally coming out after it's too late to fix. If they can find coworkers and spouses who genuinely appreciate and complement their qualities, who enjoy the brightness, clarity and dependability that they offer, ISTJs will find that their stabilizing role is a tremendously satisfying one, knowing that they are part of a system that works."
So.
...I very much do NOT relate to the idea that I'd only have a no-nonsense side, I'm far more than that. Also it's really idiotic to get in your own way by reporting everything to authorities especially if it's to your own detriment, lol. I don't let others take advantage of me, I get really angry over anyone trying to do that. I definitely do not keep my opinions to myself if I see unfairness, especially if others are treating me unfairly. I'm also far less security oriented than what this describes. :shrug
I don't have "reason based on who I am within". I'm much more focused on action.
I don't mind social traditions. I don't care for tradition for tradition's sake tho', the social stuff is just a way to meet other people.
Why on earth would you assume that.
I'm going to tell you how I relate to each of those, see the bolded again and see my comment afterwards:
"Introverted Thinking: Analyzing; categorizing; evaluating according to principles and whether something fits the framework or model; figuring out the principles on which something works; checking for inconsistencies; clarifying definitions to get more precision. Analyzing your options using principles like comfort or "Red is a power color."
Yeah... the entire thing got bolded. If you want to look back on this thread, you will find signs of me analyzing and evaluating, constantly looking at principles and inconsistencies and my overall tendency for precision.
Also me analyzing the type options by principles is exactly what I've been doing here.
See you yourself earlier said Ti doesn't judge - this here DOES say that Ti JUDGES. It evaluates. Which is judging, yup. You evaluate if something is true or false, etc.
"Extraverted Thinking: Segmenting; organizing* for efficiency; systematizing; applying logic; structuring; checking for consequences; monitoring for standards or specifications being met; setting boundaries, guidelines, and parameters; deciding if something is working or not. Sorting out different colors and styles; thinking about the consequences, as in "Since I have to stand all day…""
*: I don't primarily organize for efficiency. I do it in terms of a consistent framework, not in terms of efficiency though it's usually pretty efficient as a side effect.
Sure, applying my logic on something real life stuff is great.
I do too. All of it.
No. Let me show you, see the bolded; but my comments are the most important:
"Contingency planning, scheduling, and quantifying utilize the process of extraverted Thinking.
Extraverted Thinking helps us organize our environment and ideas* through charts, tables, graphs, flow charts, outlines, and so on.
At its most sophisticated, this process is about organizing and monitoring people and things** to work efficiently and productively.
Empirical thinking*** is at the core of extraverted Thinking when we challenge someone's ideas**** based on the logic of the facts in front of us or lay out reasonable explanations for decisions or conclusions made, often trying to establish order in someone else's thought process.
In written or verbal communication, extraverted Thinking helps us easily follow someone else's logic, sequence, or organization.
It also helps us notice when something is missing, like when someone says he or she is going to talk about four topics and talks about only three.
In general, it allows us to compartmentalize many aspects of our lives so we can do what is necessary to accomplish our objectives."
*: I do NOT do that organization via charts. It's all inside my head. I see no need to chart it, that's fucking boring and I don't need it.
**: I'm focused on the goal more than on efficiency for efficiency's sake so I did not bold those parts.
***: I'm focused on the concrete alright but the type of empiricism Te has is somewhat foreign to me. You know what I mean there by that sort of empiricism.
****: I don't do it based on facts as much, I do it much more via logical reasoning appealing to how things add up in a Ti sense.
