y'all're killing me

[violet_crown]

i can't believe u played w/ my heart like that

D:

Maybe I was the INFP girl all along???

 

[Yama]

D:

Maybe I was the INFP girl all along???

we all have a little infp girl in our hearts. we must overcome.

 

[violet_crown]

we all have a little infp girl in our hearts. we must overcome.

I think I'm technically half-ISFP. I don't know how this whole "anima" thing really works tho...

 

[Yama]

I think I'm technically half-ISFP. I don't know how this whole "anima" thing really works tho...

i dont even know anymore. maybe i'm half-isfp too. SiFi. Yeah. screw the other functions

 

[violet_crown]

i dont even know anymore. maybe i'm half-isfp too. SiFi. Yeah. screw the other functions

Yes. Let's all be (kind of) ISFP. :3

 

[fetus]

Feeler 9's aren't going to seem...stereotypically feelerish, in my opinion. Especially introverts (based on your own observations of yourself, which I trust, I doubt you're extroverted). I have an IFP 9w1 friend who I swear to God shows no feeling.

 

[Yama]

Feeler 9's aren't going to seem...stereotypically feelerish, in my opinion. Especially introverts (based on your own observations of yourself, which I trust, I doubt you're extroverted). I have an IFP 9w1 friend who I swear to God shows no feeling.

Very true. And also why despite not being a gushy feelery feeler, I still think I am very likely F > T. An IxFx likely, huh... in the past few days I've heard ISFJ, INFJ, ISFP, INFP. Maybe I should also try taking another look at socionics again too. I feel alpha af though.

 

[fetus]

Very true. And also why despite not being a gushy feelery feeler, I still think I am very likely F > T. An IxFx likely, huh... in the past few days I've heard ISFJ, INFJ, ISFP, INFP. Maybe I should also try taking another look at socionics again too. I feel alpha af though.

I highly doubt you're an intuitive type. You stand out very clearly as an S type to me. I could go back and find examples, but it's several pages back and I'm too tired.

Alpha buddies!

 

[Yama]

I highly doubt you're an intuitive type. You stand out very clearly as an S type to me. I could go back and find examples, but it's several pages back and I'm too tired.

Alpha buddies!

Oh yes. I think S > N is most likely. But if I'm Si Fi I'd be ISTJ? I don't know anymore.

 

[fetus]

Oh yes. I think S > N is most likely. But if I'm Si Fi I'd be ISTJ? I don't know anymore.

Si-Fi could possibly be ISTJ, but...it's important to think of yourself at your healthy and unhealthy points. At a healthy point, there isn't going to be any major function looping. The aux will be more fleshed out, I think.

I think you have more Fe than you give yourself credit. I've started to realize that a lot of Fe can be unconscious ways of viewing the world, etc. Doesn't necessarily have to be active.

 

[1487610420]

Yes. Let's all be (kind of) ISFP. :3

 

[Yama]

Ugh I'm just not sure what to do now. I don't really know what to do next to try and figure this out. I need guidance.

I think the types I'm most considering right now besides ISFJ are ISFP and ISTJ, with INFP as a more iffy possibility.

I just feel so, so strongly connected to Si... it's the function I've always thought I understood the most. Am I wrong about everything? Was I just getting it confused with Fi or something? :/

I've always related to Si/Ne more than Se/Ni. Anyone know a good way to really differentiate between the two?

Ugh I just don't knowwww anymore. I don't know what to do next. I don't think more questionnaires are necessary, I already did 3.

 

[Yama]

Taking a look at TypoC wiki and threads since I trust Eric B and the community here more than random places elsewhere on the internet when it comes to type and the functions.

Is it perhaps possible -- that I've been mistaking tertiary Ni for dominant Si?? It's the tertiary the function that we think we're good at but not really? Perhaps my understanding or Si is actually FiNi? I'm not sure. I still don't relate to Se all that much. But I AM going to consider it.

I think I can see inferior Te as much as inferior Ne. I don't relate much to either thinking/intuitive function.

Ughhhh. UGGHHHH.

I'm going to be doing a lot of reading.

If anyone has questions they can ask me to help me differentiate between all these messy functions throw them at me.

 

[fetus]

Sometimes I wonder if I mistake dominant Si for tertiary Si. I think 6's and 9's will always be somewhat doubtful of their type.

 

[Yama]

You know, I bought "Was That Really Me?" by Naomi Quenk forever ago and haven't really read it. (Currently reading another book that my therapist lent me, so I don't want to read the full thing right now). I'm gonna take a look at ISFP and ISFJ in here and write what I see and don't see about each in myself.

Bolding things I really agree with, crossing out things I really don't, and leaving alone things I'm neutral on or can see myself going either way/depends on the situation.

IxFP

Introverted Feeling types are flexible, open, complicated, mild, modest, and often self-effacing. Though difficult to get to know, they are seen as trustworthy confidants who are tolerant of a wide range of differences. Their habitual approach to people is nonjudgmental, understanding, and forgiving. They place a high value on affirming both their own and others’ individuality and uniqueness. They seek to affirm all parties in a controversy and thus readily see the validity of contradictory points of view. Underlying their characteristic tolerance is an overarching natural curiosity. They find the diversity in the world immensely appealing. ISFPs want to experience as much of the environment, especially the natural environment, as possible; INFPs’ desire for broad experience, especially human experience, may be secondary to their need to understand it. Both Introverted Feeling types may find it difficult to take a firm stance on issues that are not centrally important to them. As a result, they may see themselves and be seen by others as indecisive and lacking in conviction. In matters in which they hold strong values, however, they are firm and uncompromising in expressing and enacting their beliefs. Introverted Feeling types focus on what is good in others, so they tend to downplay others’ faults, often forgiving them for slights or minor hurtful behavior. At their best, they accept their own mistakes and imperfections as well, achieving some success in maintaining the inner harmony that is so important to them. In crisis situations, they typically will hold back to see if others will solve the problem competently. They are then content to follow someone else’s lead. But if adequate leadership is absent, ISFPs and INFPs may assume a dominant role, acting swiftly, confidently, and competently to handle the difficult situation.

...

Like their Extraverted Feeling counterparts, Introverted Feeling types may be concerned about their intellectual abilities, often viewing others, particularly Thinking types, as smarter and more knowledgeable than themselves. Because they are likely to be somewhat uneasy about their skill in logical analysis, they tend to be hypersensitive to illogic, dishonesty, and inaccuracy in others. They are quick to detect insincerity or phoniness, and they readily take offense when faced with the hyperbole typical of television commercials and candidates running for political office. One INFP who hated magic shows and card tricks gave as her reason for this her dislike of “being fooled.” Introverted Feeling types also may be somewhat disdainful of people who act quickly on the basis of insufficient information, seeing their own careful, reflective, and restrained approach to problem solving as inherently better. They may be quick to point out the errors made or opportunities missed by people who reach conclusions hastily. Projection of the inferior function is revealed in a readiness to notice and comment on mistakes made by others. “I start noticing that there are an unusual number of rude and incompetent drivers on the highway,” said one INFP. An ISFP commented that she becomes “very aware that people at work are not following procedures and are making the same mistakes over and over again. But when I think about it later, I have to admit there are no more mistakes than usual.” An extreme, even passionate, focus on the evil and wrongdoing in the world may also indicate Introverted Feeling types’ hypersensitivity to the “Thinking” issues of truth and justice. Their often-noted idealism about the perfectibility of humanity may also reflect their discomfort with the harsh reality of an imperfect world. This kind of all-or-none approach is a reflection of the unconscious, black-and-white character of their inferior function. Because their opposites, Extraverted Thinking types, can be experienced as intimidating, ISFPs and INFPs are sensitive to perceived negative messages from these types. They may project their own black-and-white critical judgments onto them, seeing ESTJs and ENTJs as hypercritical, controlling, demanding, and intrusive. Straightforward comments from an Extraverted Thinking type may therefore be taken as global criticism and simple requests as dictatorial commands.

...

Introverted Feeling types frequently mention that an atmosphere of negativity and excessive criticism provides a fertile context for an eruption of their inferior function. Even if the criticism is not directed at them, it brings out their Extraverted Thinking in a black-and-white form. They harshly attack the people who are being negative and critical—for being negative and critical!

...

Initially, INFPs and ISFPs may control their urge to blurt out hostile thoughts by engaging in destructive fantasies directed at just about anyone available. Alternatively, they may employ biting sarcasm and cynicism. As these tactics fail, the negative Extraverted Thinking of their inferior function becomes manifested in judgments of incompetence, aggressive criticism, and precipitous action. For ISFPs, tertiary Intuition may be revealed in their being plagued by the negative possibilities they imagine will be the inevitable, logical consequences of their incompetence. For INFPs, tertiary Sensing provides all the “facts” necessary to support their overwhelming sense of failure.

Introverted Feeling types in this state may complain loudly about others’ gross ineptitude. ISFPs and INFPs seem to turn into the very opposite of their accepting, nonjudgmental, and flexible selves, coming across as harsh critics and judges whose standards of competence are too extreme to be met. Inferior Thinking often comes out in an unrelenting search for accuracy—in a precise, nitpicky logic and focus, and an almost legalistic standard of validity.

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Conclusion: The parts that I relate to, I relate to a lot, and the parts that I'm neutral on are because they really depend on the situation. But the striked out parts I REALLY disagree with. I DO NOT get confrontational and I NEVER EVER EVER attack and critisize others, ever.

ISxJ

Introverted Sensing types are careful and orderly in their attention to facts and details. They are thorough and conscientious in fulfilling their responsibilities. They may sometimes even do the work of others rather than leave important tasks undone. They are typically seen as well grounded in reality, trustworthy, and dedicated to preserving traditional values and time-honored institutions. With their focus on the reality of the present, they trust the evidence of their senses, relying on carefully accumulated past and present evidence to support their conclusions and planned courses of action. They derive great pleasure from perfecting existing techniques with the goal of maximizing efficiency and cost-effectiveness. Introverted Sensing types tend to have a skeptical, critical attitude toward information that has not been verified by the senses and are likely to distrust people who are careless about facts, sloppy about details, and apt to favor imagination and novelty over accuracy and solid substantiation. Both ISTJs and ISFJs are uncomfortable moving beyond sensory experience until they have thoroughly absorbed and understood it. They want to review and assimilate the facts and events of a movie or book before discussing its meaning with others. In a crisis that does not constellate their inferior function, Introverted Sensing types typically appear calm and unruffled, efficient and pragmatic. Others may marvel at their serene demeanor, but the Introverted Sensing types themselves may report that they are actually feeling quite anxious and distressed and their visible behavior does not accurately reflect their inner state.

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Inferior Extraverted Intuition seems to color the everyday personality of Introverted Sensing types. They see themselves and are seen by others as worriers. They are ready to notice and comment on negative possibilities even in everyday, nonstressful situations. A new plan, a previously unexperienced event—anything new—is likely to elicit a list of all the many negative possibilities or all the many things that might go wrong. Anything that is not grounded in past or present experience is suspect. In a work situation, Introverted Sensing types’ focus on the negative may prove frustrating to their Intuitive colleagues, who may see them as impossibly rigid and stodgy. They may, however, merely need time to reflect and recognize the connections between anticipated new experiences and the known past. Once that connection is made, the ISTJ or ISFJ can be comfortable pursuing actions that initially may have seemed potentially dangerous. Colleagues who can be helpful in providing such connections will likely find the effort quite successful.

In projecting their inferior Extraverted Intuition onto others, ISTJs and ISFJs are likely to see Intuitive types as totally ungrounded, unrealistic, and irresponsible in their focus on possibilities and theories. Introverted Sensing types’ own inexperienced Intuition is thus attributed to those in whom Intuition is developed and practiced. Their unease with the unknown may also manifest in suspiciousness about others’ motives and fears that the environment will somehow betray them. They may thus see Extraverted Intuitive types’ natural comfort with the outer world as foolish risk taking, judging them to be irresponsible, immature show-offs. ISTJs and ISFJs may engage in self-pity, blaming the outer environment and other people for whatever difficulties they are experiencing. This is in marked contrast to their typical willingness to accept responsibility and solve problems calmly and methodically.

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Issues of reality are likely to push the inferior “button” of Introverted Sensing types. Dealing with people whose approach denies facts and actualities (often identified as Extraverted Intuitive types) serves as a trigger for eruptions of harsh, negative, extreme reactions to whatever is being proposed. With the usual preconditions in operation, even slight deviations from present reality or minor suggestions for future change will provoke Introverted Sensing types to intractable anger and stubborn immovability. ... The prospect of unknown, previously unexperienced activities and situations is a common trigger for Introverted Sensing types. The anxiety associated with the unfamiliar and unimaginable future acts directly on their most unconscious arena. Making careful contingency plans and giving attention to details normally tempers such an unconscious reaction. But when the new possibility comes up suddenly, an inferior function response is likely.

“Overdoing” their own type may also provoke an inferior “grip” response in ISTJs and ISFJs. When this takes the form of doing other people’s assigned duties, working long and hard, and feeling unappreciated or taken for granted, the stage is set for an extreme, spontaneous eruption of inferior Extraverted Intuition. “I get to feeling used and abused,” said an ISFJ. “Then I explode and say awful things that I’m embarrassed about later.”

...

Younger Introverted Sensing types, like other Introverted types, report becoming more sociable, outgoing, or outspoken as part of their grip experience. This is especially true for young men, and to a lesser extent for young women. ... Introverted Sensing types often report that their increased sociability occurs in social situations in which they feel comfortable. ... This is stimulated by festive, comfortable occasions with family and friends. Some young Introverted Sensing types, however, report going too far, becoming loud and obnoxious in social situations. ISTJs and ISFJs of all ages also report a high frequency of becoming more withdrawn, angry, irritable, and pessimistic when in the grip.

...

In the grip of inferior Extraverted Intuition, Introverted Sensing types lose control over facts and details, become impulsive, and catastrophize about the unknown, especially the future. Auxiliary Thinking or Feeling aids their return to equilibrium. ISTJs use objective analysis to begin to control their anxious imaginings, while ISFJs solicit the reassurance of trusted companions and friends to modify their perceptions. As a result of important bouts with inferior Extraverted Intuition, Introverted Sensing types recognize and incorporate a broader, more flexible perspective into their lives. They are better able to stand back from the absorbing tasks and responsibilities of daily living and consider what is most important to them. Often the awareness involves a renewed appreciation of family and other close relationships.

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Conclusion: If I'm an ISxJ, I think it's more likely ISFJ over ISTJ, after reading this. But again, like with ISFP, the parts I relate to I relate to a lot, but the parts I don't, I really don't. I'll have to keep reading.

 

[Forever]

It's ISFJ don't worry about it.

I was just curious why cellmold typed you as an ISFP and I was in a weird mode. So sorry for the confusion.

 

[Yama]

It's ISFJ don't worry about it.

I was just curious why cellmold typed you as an ISFP and I was in a weird mode. So sorry for the confusion.

Multiple people recently have been suggesting doubts about my type, yours was the most recent before I started the thread

I'm so confused now I don't know what to think.

 

[Forever]

Multiple people recently have been suggesting doubts about my type, yours was the most recent before I started the thread

I'm so confused now I don't know what to think.

If you relate to Si so strongly then nothing else really matters does it?

 

[Yama]

If you relate to Si so strongly then nothing else really matters does it?

Yes, but now I've started questioning my understanding of Si or whether I have aspects of it mixed up with other functions. Tomorrow I'm going to be refreshing my understanding of the functions to try and confirm or deny that I've got it right.

 

[Yama]

I think that my MBTI type aside, in socionics I am definitely SEI. I relate to the alpha quadra more than any other quadra, and the descriptions fit me nicely, especially the Si subtype descriptions. Unless anyone thinks SEI isn't my sociotype and should be challenged, I'm going to accept that that's my socionics type, at least.