Why are men more independent than women?

[ceecee]

I seriously don't know what argument has caused this thread to grow to 14 pages, but this is more or less what I was getting at. Women generally have a support system from the beginning, while men don't. Perhaps it's because they simply don't need/want it, while women are mentally and emotionally weaker, and therefore do.



This too. This is the point: men have superior values to women. Of course there are exceptions in both sexes, but men generally are more moral, more rational, more virtuous, more intelligent than women, and the two ways of being are largely incomprehensible to the other (unless of course, you're one of the exceptions). Why do you think there's so much pushback about how modern society is "pussifying" boys, or even turning them into girls, what with trying to encourage them to cooperate and let (make?) them have emotions!

Okay, sarcasm off. Still the idea goes that, in general, men operate with logic, reason, and firm, sober-minded decision making; while women are typically more whimsical, emotive, nurturing, and exuberantly prosocial. Sure there are exceptions (some of them in this thread - congratulations), but those are the more natural and observable gender roles. Now the important question: which is better?

Which is better? And you wondered how this thread went 5+ pages? Wow, I don't know if I feel sorry for you or despise your level of weakness.

 

[Coriolis]

Okay, sarcasm off. Still the idea goes that, in general, men operate with logic, reason, and firm, sober-minded decision making; while women are typically more whimsical, emotive, nurturing, and exuberantly prosocial. Sure there are exceptions (some of them in this thread - congratulations), but those are the more natural and observable gender roles. Now the important question: which is better?

They may be more widely observed, but that doesn't make them more natural.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Ok, this turned to be a messy thread.

This thread asks why are men more independant and all I did is gave my opinion "Because someone has very preactical/political reasons that women are less free".
Everything else I said is simply because it is easier to fight male abuser than a female one.


Therefore with this I will end my presence in the thread in which I actually did not want to participate that much.

 

[chubber]

Careful . . . you are making me feel like the proverbial special snowflake again.

Oozing warm fuzzies

That support is called childhood, and both male and females of the species go through it. A certain level of independence and self-sufficiency is part of becoming an adult, and both sexes should (be expected to) attain it. Of course we are all interdependent in many ways, but that interdependence is not gender based, but more a product of how life and especially economics are ordered in the modern age.

That statement is idealistic in nature, but a good goal to have. Also, I'm sure economics influences the environment, but ultimately it is still the environment.

And here is a short video illustrating how the environment without a good role model leads to bad things happening.

 

[Coriolis]

Ok, this turned to be a messy thread.

This thread asks why are men more independant and all I did is gave my opinion "Because someone has very preactical/political reasons that women are less free".
Everything else I said is simply because it is easier to fight male abuser than a female one.


Therefore with this I will end my presence in the thread in which I actually did not want to participate that much.

Everyone has the right to their own opinion. Others won't necessarily accept that opinion as a valid conclusion, though, and therein lies most of the discussion.