Trump vs. Bernie

[highlander]

Bloomberg has a lack of integrity that is certainly not fucking presidential. She took him down, and for that, she won back some of the respect from me that she lost.

You must support the way Trump takes people down then because it's the same style- based on mischaracterizations, distortions of truth and hypocracy.

 

[á´…eparted]

I didnt like her before because of her policy positions. I lost all respect for her after her performance in the las debate. What purpose does it serve to attempt to humiliate Bloomberg in the way she did? From a person who has an estimated net worth of 12M who advertises herself as a former teacher. She is a hypocrite. The bullshit about demanding him to share NDAs of third parties is pure bullshit grandstanding. As an attorney she knows better. The crap about him not sharing his taxes is also BS. I'm sure he will release them soon. It was all rhetoric plain and simple and when I smell BS and unfairness, I possessed me off. How did Bloomberg react to her cheap shots? Did he come across as arrogant billionaire she referred to? I think he came across with humility and dignity - stating clear and reasonable able positions. He talked a out how is is giving his money away. But sexy but true.

She has been one of my favorite politicans since 2010 when she ran and defeated Scott Brown. Her performance in the last debate highlighted precisely why I like her so much. She was one of the first to give me actual hope that the corporate world would be reigned in, and she followed through to the best of her ability on what she campaigned for. Where she didn't make it was due almost entirely due to republicans and moderates refusing to play along since they have a vested interest in keeping the corporate world as it is.

She humilated Bloomberg because he deserved it. It's literally self-evident as to why, and no, she isn't a hypocrite because her policies actually help people. She was right to demand the NDA's be released. She completely pinned him and called him out on it. She certainly knows better because Bloomberg reeks of bullshit. I am not going to get into why as I think that is a waste of time to try and change your mind on.

If I didn't know any better, I really wouldn't think we watched the same debate. Bloomberg didn't come across as humble, he came across as someone cornered and caught, and extremely out of touch with this countries current ailments aside from the most glaring jelly donut obvious ones. I really think a core reason why you interpret things in the political world as you do is you take people and their actions too much at face value / in a vacuum and place broad premium on everyone always remaining civil and of neutral emotionality. I really think this is a grave mistake to make. It's a huge blindspot.

Besides, Bloomberg is only a democrat in name. He's a Republican in policy and view. I despise his guts for so many reasons I'm not going to bother detailing. To vote him as the democratic nominee would be a grave, grave mistakes. He would almost certainly lose due to alienating a major portion of the democrats. If he did get in I think he would at best bandaid fix the blatant illegality of the Trump administration, undo some of their damage, with a relative return to civility and professional appearing governance, and largely leave the problems of the GOP as a party untouched and unpunished outside of the most rabid and overtly cruel ones. I suspect if he gets in that it will just lengthen the timeline to this country becoming fully fascist (due to Bloomberg not doing enough to prevent it and undo enough of the rot), but with a very small sliver of a chance for us to pull out from it.

I'd still vote for Bloomberg anyway if it comes to it, because as I said previously, to vote for Trump is to vote for a fascist dictatorship. Keep in mind, this won't just effect the US, but the entire world.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

You must support the way Trump takes people down then because it's the same style- based on mischaracterizations, distortions of truth and hypocracy.

I know for a fact that Clinton's "they go low, we go high" did not work out too well for her. That's all I have to say about that.

 

[rav3n]

Bloomberg has a lack of integrity that is certainly not fucking presidential.

Sexism:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/michael-bloomberg-women/

NEW YORK — As Mike Bloomberg celebrated his 48th birthday in 1990, a top aide at the company he founded presented him with a booklet of profane, sexist quotes she attributed to him.

A good salesperson is like a man who tries to pick up women at a bar by saying, “Do you want to f---? He gets turned down a lot — but he gets f----- a lot, too!” Bloomberg was quoted in the booklet as saying. Bloomberg also allegedly said that his company’s financial information computers “will do everything, including give you [oral sex]. I guess that puts a lot of you girls out of business.”

Several lawsuits have been filed over the years alleging that women were discriminated against at Bloomberg’s business-information company, including a case brought by a federal agency and one filed by a former employee, who blamed Bloomberg for creating a culture of sexual harassment and degradation.

Racism:

Bloomberg’s comments on redlining distort a history of racism

This should disqualify Michael Bloomberg (opinion) - CNN

Corruption:

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Sexism:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/michael-bloomberg-women/





Racism:

Bloomberg’s comments on redlining distort a history of racism

This should disqualify Michael Bloomberg (opinion) - CNN

Corruption:

Exactly.

FFS, he had the rules changed in NYC so he could run for a third term, and then when he left office, reinstated term limits. Isn't this the same kind of thing people are worried about Trump doing?

 

[highlander]

Here is a turd with lots of money.

Go ahead guys, talk about how brilliant the turd is. (The best part is that it works for Trump OR Bloomberg). Maybe the turd can bring social democracy to the U.S! Let us worship the turd and perform sacrifices to it.

Yep. Sounds just like trumpism. Just from the other side. Pathetic what this country is coming to.

 

[rav3n]

Most everything that is described in this article. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders: the same or really different? - Vox

So you're against fighting income inequality?

 

[rav3n]

Exactly.

FFS, he had the rules changed in NYC so he could run for a third term, and then when he left office, reinstated term limits. Isn't this the same kind of thing people are worried about Trump doing?

Bloomberg smells just like Trump. Did you know that he's part of the reason why the Senate remained Republican during the 2018 mid-terms? He quietly contributed big bucks towards GOP senato campaigns while at the same time, publicly pretended otherwise.

 

[highlander]

So you're against fighting income inequality?

I dont think their solutions are practical. Look at the wealth tax and how successful it was in the countries where it was tried in Europe. And no I'm not a socialist.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Yep. Sounds just like trumpism. Just from the other side. Pathetic what this country is coming to.

The reaction of your party to the Obama administration showed me where bipartisanship and unity gets you. Game theory suggests that it's not worth continuing to try that when it's obvious that the other side doesn't believe in it.

 

[rav3n]

I dont think their solutions are practical. Look at the wealth tax and how successful it was in the countries where it was tried in Europe. And no I'm not a socialist.

It's kept income inequality down to a dull roar.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Bloomberg smells just like Trump. Did you know that he's part of the reason why the Senate remained Republican during the 2018 mid-terms? He quietly contributed big bucks towards GOP senato campaigns while at the same time, publicly pretended otherwise.

Oh yeah. He supported Pat Toomey as well in 2016 in Pennsylvania (supposedly because he was "moderate" on guns); yes, that Toomey sure hs cast a lot of votes that buck the party line in the name of the ever robust civil, enlightened centrism. Maybe Mitch McConnell would vote for Bloomberg as a favor for the help he gave him.

 

[highlander]

Bloomberg smells just like Trump. Did you know that he's part of the reason why the Senate remained Republican during the 2018 mid-terms? He quietly contributed big bucks towards GOP senato campaigns while at the same time, publicly pretended otherwise.

Why. Because he is rich? Stop being so superficial. When did Trump ever give his money to anyone to try and influence anything where he was trying to do a good thing for society? Oh and where are all those huge anonymous charitable contributions and to causes like gun control?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Why. Because he is rich? Stop being so superficial. When did Trump ever give his money to anyone to try and influence anything where he was trying to do a good thing for society? Oh and where are all those huge anonymous charitable contributions and to causes like gun control?

Oh, the donations he gave to causes like gun control actually helped the Senate interfere with the impeachment process. Those donations went to "moderate" Republican Senate candidates who voted along party lines on the impeachment issue.

 

[rav3n]

Why. Because he is rich? Stop being so superficial. When did Trump ever give his money to anyone to try and influence anything where he was trying to do a good thing for society? Oh and where are all those huge anonymous charitable contributions and to causes like gun control?

Nope. I provided my reasoning, that of sexism, racism and corruption. For the record, I'm not anti-wealth, all things considered. I'm pro-democracy and what's best for the country and its peoples, regardless of race or gender.

 

[highlander]

Oh yeah. He supported Pat Toomey as well in 2016 in Pennsylvania (supposedly because he was "moderate" on guns); yes, that Toomey sure hs cast a lot of votes that buck the party line in the name of the ever robust civil, enlightened centrism. Maybe Mitch McConnell would vote for Bloomberg as a favor for the help he gave him.

Better to have a guy who used to lavish praise on communism and went on his honeymoon to Russia?
Bernie Sanders’ relationship with socialism and communism - Baltimore Sun

 

[á´…eparted]

Oh, the donations he gave to causes like gun control actually helped the Senate interfere with the impeachment process. Those donations went to "moderate" Republican Senate candidates who voted along party lines on the impeachment issue.

Nope. I provided my reasoning, that of sexism, racism and corruption. For the record, I'm not anti-wealth, all things considered. I'm pro-democracy and what's best for the country and its peoples, regardless of race or gender.

Look, to both of you. I get it. I really get it. Who Bloomberg actually is is not the least bit lost on me, as I said in my post higher up to vote him in likely just lengthens the timeline to a fascist dictatorship.

With Trump though, it will happen far faster, and far more severely, and likely in a way that truly could not be undone for generations, possibly ever given the threat of climate change. Trump is a 100% vote for doom. Bloomberg is a high likelyhood of doom, with a chance for people to prepare, and in some cases GTFO of the country before it blows up.

Really, take some time to temper your anger over him. If it takes weeks or months, then give it that time. Also remember that it's still early in the primary season. Bloomberg is still unlikely to get it, and we can take solace in that. The anger is justified, and needs to be felt and expressed as these are trying and exhausting times for all of us. When it comes down to it though, it really is true that anyone currently running is a far better option than Trump. That HAS to remain in prospective, no matter what. Too much is at stake.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Better to have a guy who used to lavish praise on communism and went on his honeymoon to Russia?
Bernie Sanders’ relationship with socialism and communism - Baltimore Sun

Well, if it means rich people don't get loads of tax deductions and so forth while constantly getting taxes cut more and more (during a deficit!), while frowning on the idea of M4A because it's too costly, I don't particularly care.

Hell, Bloomberg praises China as having a "responsive' government all the time, but somehow that's ok.

From the article I posted earlier:

Bloomberg recently defended the Chinese government — which reportedly has at least 1 million people enslaved in "reeducation" camps — as being "responsive" to their constituents, and roundly rejected applying the "dictatorship" label to the Chinese President Xi Jinping. Bloomberg appreciates the can-do nature of a totalitarian government that invests in green technologies and prioritizes "results."

But hey, we can trust Bloomberg to support democracy capitalism.

 

[highlander]

Nope. I provided my reasoning, that of sexism, racism and corruption. For the record, I'm not anti-wealth, all things considered. I'm pro-democracy and what's best for the country and its peoples, regardless of race or gender.

The racism criticism seems to have little evidence behind it. As to sexism, I believe he addressed that in the last debate pretty effectively. I know of no evidence whatsoever of corruption. What evidence do you have of any of these things?

 

[rav3n]

The racism criticism seems to have little evidence behind it. As to sexism, I believe he addressed that in the last debate pretty effectively. I know of no evidence whatsoever of corruption. What evidence do you have of any of these things?

I presented links to back up all my criticisms.