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The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump

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I mean, I 100% believe convicting him needs to happen for the sake of precedent. But I don't think it'll hurt his support.

I actually have a slight sense of optimism regarding this actually happening (which will probably turn out to be horribly misguided) now that McTurtle has come out and formally denounced Trump by way of pinning the blame on him for the Capitol raid, and his election fraud lies. I could be totally wrong but Cocaine Mitch still has a great deal of clout within the party, and is now defacto leader of the party now that Trump is officially out. I could see him trying to right the optics course by voting to impeach, especially being that he phrased it as a "vote based on conscience" when publically commenting about a vote taking place in the senate. Mitch no longer has any use for Trump or Trumpism; He's got his stacked Supreme Court and appointed an insane amount of state and local judges during Trump's tenure.

I think he's smart enough to see, especially after the Capitol raid, that continuing down this path of going further right and focusing the party platform on ideals held strictly by the fringe groups isn't going to help them win elections going forward as their behavior gets more chaotic. The impeachment gives them all an out to save some semblance of face for the brand while reshifting the platform in preparation for 2024.

That said, you're absolutely right as far as precedent goes. If they don't convict, they will all but doom our democracy going forward. I think not doing so will set us on a path where rejection of the democratic process can and will become more normalized. Also, the next Trump won't be nearly as incompetent.
 

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[MENTION=13112]Stigmata[/MENTION] I hope you're right.

With so many corporations pulling their campaign funding for all the officials who corroborated with the election fraud lie - hopefully that'll make a dent in the amount of officials who keep giving it legs too. (*One* reason to be grateful Republicans changed campaign finance rules to allow corporation donations - it's something to use to pressure them right now - but I also hope we change it back in the next couple years because it's fucked up they can donate in the first place). WaPo: Lawmakers who objected to election results have been cut off from 20 of their 30 biggest corporate PAC donor The more officials who drop the narrative, the less faith the cult will have in it. I think. But there are some absolute diehards I personally know who don't seem remotely close to accepting it, and I wish I had any idea how representative they are of Trump's whole base.

And on the other side of "corporations are cutting off their funding" is the story about elected officials being afraid for their own safety and the safety of their family? WaPo: Bullied into voting against impeachment? Tell the cops and then resign. So I guess its not even just their careers on the line as a motivation to keep corroborating ' the big lie.'

And probably some stuff about communism.

By golly, we got the makings.
 

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Trump just pardoned Bannon.

Gonna be a long 12 hours, maybe.

If that's the worst thing that happens between now and noon tomorrow, I'd consider us very lucky. I wonder if they're going to really investigate the pardon spree since the rumored $2,000,000 pardon for pay deal.
 

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I can't help but feel like the other shoe dropping here will be preemptive pardons for him and/or his spawn. But yeah, if it ends at Bannon, then okay. (Though pardoning him at this late hour does give the last 12 hours a heavy feeling of waiting for the other shoe).

Trump pardons Bannon in final hours of presidency

I'm not feeling optimistic about his pardons being investigated.
 

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The USA is effectively a number of countries united by a mythology. The mythology is powerful to counteract the centrifugal forces pulling the country apart. And the creativity of the USA comes from the balance of these two forces.

Not all countries are as beautifully balanced as the USA, but we admire the way Americans navigate their national tightrope, and we fully expect to see the USA dancing on the tightrope.

We support and love the USA, we love watching the drama of being American, and find it an abiding interest.

If the USA is effectively a number of countries, united by an ideology, it is important to ask about the ideology.

We might start by asking, is it a true or good ideology? But this can miss the point of ideologies, which have much in common, for -

An ideology is predigested thought,
It serves interests,
And it has a demonology

Ideology is the great temptation of intellectuals, and we find this in our universities, because it does the work of thinking for them, but gives the impression they are learned, and it curries favour with those in power, and gives us someone, or something, to blame.
 

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Sam Harris put out a short solo podcast (his own opinion) awhile back about how he thinks part of Trump's appeal is that he's *so* base that no one feels inferior in comparison to him.

It is true, I don't feel inferior to Trump, and I'll bet you don't either. Trump's followers have been told they are inferior by calling them "deplorables". No wonder they voted for a man they can't feel inferior too.

And it is also true, I also make people feel inferior. It does me no good to do this, but I am caught between being my full self, and being agreeable. I haven't solved this problem yet.

And I don't think being more like Trump would solve my problem.
 

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If the USA is effectively a number of countries, united by an ideology, it is important to ask about the ideology.

We might start by asking, is it a true or good ideology? But this can miss the point of ideologies, which have much in common, for -

An ideology is predigested thought,
It serves interests,
And it has a demonology

Ideology is the great temptation of intellectuals, and we find this in our universities, because it does the work of thinking for them, but gives the impression they are learned, and it curries favour with those in power, and gives us someone, or something, to blame.

Mole, what if I told you that what you just typed is an ideology?
 

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Axios: The Swamp Wins

Trump revoked an executive order, signed eight days after he took office, that limits his appointees' lobbying for five years after leaving the administration.

What a pathetic little man.
 

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Ugh. Axios: QAnon faces the music

Supporters of former President Donald Trump who thought he was about to stop the inauguration, seize power and crush his enemies were left blinking in the sunlight Wednesday as President Biden took the oath of office.

Why it matters: It's an inflection point for anyone who realizes they've been strung along by QAnon and related strands of pro-Trump magical thinking. They could either retreat from conspiracy theories or tumble deeper down the rabbit hole.

Driving the news: Pro-Trump Telegram channels and other online forums were filled Wednesday with posts from users angry and disappointed that Trump did not black out U.S. communications networks and send in the military to arrest Biden and other Democrats and celebrities.

"The military, law enforcement, fbi, cia, and doj all betrayed their oath to the constitution and the american people," read one top-ranked post on a leading pro-Trump forum.
"Jesus was dead for three days before he was resurrected. Never lose hope," read another on a separate forum for QAnon believers.

Between the lines: Those two currents — frustration vs. lingering hope that there's still a grand plan to be revealed — dominated far-right online spaces Wednesday.

Once Trump lost re-election, it was inevitable that it would come to this. QAnon-style thinking, in which a secret plan to secure total victory over the left is just around the corner, has grown increasingly central to many Trump supporters' worldview, as GOP Sen. Ben Sasse warned in The Atlantic last week.

Biden's inauguration marked a hard stop of a sort that QAnon believers haven't had to confront since the conspiracy theory began in 2017.

The big picture: QAnon prophecies have failed before — all of them, in fact.

But that hasn't stopped QAnon, which began as a close cousin of the Pizzagate conspiracy theory, from spinning out into a sort of grand unifying conspiracy theory.

Along the way, it has absorbed countless far-right, science-skeptical and simply contrarian views involving topics ranging from child trafficking to 5G to vaccines to medical masks.

The question now is what happens to that broad coalition, now left angry and aimless.

What's next: "If #QAnon begins to splinter soon, we'll need to pay attention to the emergence of potentially violent offshoots," tweeted Colin Clarke, director of policy and research at the Soufan Group, a security consulting firm.

"We know some adherents possess the propensity for extreme violence, those who feel duped could grow exceedingly desperate & seek to lash out. Humiliation fuels rage."
 

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Ugh. Axios: QAnon faces the music
Supporters of former President Donald Trump who thought he was about to stop the inauguration, seize power and crush his enemies were left blinking in the sunlight Wednesday as President Biden took the oath of office.

Why it matters: It's an inflection point for anyone who realizes they've been strung along by QAnon and related strands of pro-Trump magical thinking. They could either retreat from conspiracy theories or tumble deeper down the rabbit hole.

Driving the news: Pro-Trump Telegram channels and other online forums were filled Wednesday with posts from users angry and disappointed that Trump did not black out U.S. communications networks and send in the military to arrest Biden and other Democrats and celebrities.

"The military, law enforcement, fbi, cia, and doj all betrayed their oath to the constitution and the american people," read one top-ranked post on a leading pro-Trump forum.
"Jesus was dead for three days before he was resurrected. Never lose hope," read another on a separate forum for QAnon believers.

Between the lines: Those two currents — frustration vs. lingering hope that there's still a grand plan to be revealed — dominated far-right online spaces Wednesday.

Once Trump lost re-election, it was inevitable that it would come to this. QAnon-style thinking, in which a secret plan to secure total victory over the left is just around the corner, has grown increasingly central to many Trump supporters' worldview, as GOP Sen. Ben Sasse warned in The Atlantic last week.

Biden's inauguration marked a hard stop of a sort that QAnon believers haven't had to confront since the conspiracy theory began in 2017.

The big picture: QAnon prophecies have failed before — all of them, in fact.

But that hasn't stopped QAnon, which began as a close cousin of the Pizzagate conspiracy theory, from spinning out into a sort of grand unifying conspiracy theory.

Along the way, it has absorbed countless far-right, science-skeptical and simply contrarian views involving topics ranging from child trafficking to 5G to vaccines to medical masks.

The question now is what happens to that broad coalition, now left angry and aimless.

What's next: "If #QAnon begins to splinter soon, we'll need to pay attention to the emergence of potentially violent offshoots," tweeted Colin Clarke, director of policy and research at the Soufan Group, a security consulting firm.

"We know some adherents possess the propensity for extreme violence, those who feel duped could grow exceedingly desperate & seek to lash out. Humiliation fuels rage."

Sheep without a shepherd, many will be picked off by wolves, others will find more creative ways to get themselves killed. a few will manage to survive the harsh turn of the seasons, and give birth to the next generation, on this magnificent blue planet...earth.
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I don't know what this news source is, but it is describing Trump's long-time collaboration with Epstein.

The mysterious story of Mr. Procurer President Trump and Escort First Lady Melania of America :: NOURNEWS

"Epstein and Maxwell needed to select celebrities in New York and London to start their own sex agency. He convinced Trump, who worked hard to escape financial bankruptcy in 1991 and needed to meet famous people.

Maxwell also considered Prince Andrew, who had good relations with influential people in London and the wealthy princes of Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

Epstein was introduced to Prince Andrew by Maxwell to host the London Sex Club, and he worked for many years at London and New York Sex Clubs, and Andrew was a regular client of virgin girls.

The American team “Trump-Epstein” and the British team “Andrew-Maxwell” needed to work with a global brand to start an international career to host the sex of the rich.

Trump, a regular at Casablanca nightclubs at his New York mansions, hired John Casablanca, director of the Italian company Elite Model Management, to work with him, and in 1991 signed a business deal with him as an investor and referee for the Elite Model beauty pageant.

With this agreement, the modeling industry and the sex industry of Europe and the United States merged, making it possible for politicians and the rich to have easy and hassle-free sex with teenage and virgin girls at the Trump and Epstein parties, which was welcomed. Even former US President Bill Clinton and Arab princes attended the parties.

Trump and Epstein held the Young Model Girls Contest at the Plaza Hotel in 1993 and in Maralogo in 1993 to advance their work. In these competitions, the top models who were willing to cooperate with the “Elite Model” were selected.

The competition was an important achievement and showed that girls from Eastern Europe and Latin America, and especially Brazil, are more willing to work in the sex industry. Since then, Elite has focused its modeling work on teenage girls identified through fashion brands and fashion magazines in Eastern European countries.

For easier access to Eastern European girls, “Elite Model” selected young supermodels who, while familiar with the Russian language and culture, were more attractive to girls from Eastern European countries, and then could more easily communicate and educate girls, especially from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus were transferred to the United States and London.

“Melania” was noticed in these searches among the beautiful girls of Eastern Europe. An unknown figure, she was introduced to Casablanca and Epstein through a man named Paolo Zampolli. From now on, in order for Melania to become international, it was necessary for her to become famous worldwide in collaboration with world-famous brands in France and Italy.

Zampolii started the ID Models agency in the 1990s to attract European girls and coordinated Melania’s work in Italy with “Joseph Mifsud”, who had close ties to Trump and Epstein.

In 1992, with the support of Zampolii and Mifsud, “Jana Magazine” published photos of Melania with 12 beautiful young girls, which eventually selected Melania as the top three models of the year. The yellow press immediately published reports and photos of Melania’s personality and achievements.

After gaining fame in Italy and France in 1995, Melania arrived in New York on an H-1B visa and lived with a sports photographer named “Matthew Atanian” and later with Epstein in an apartment where he worked as a photographer.

The apartment was actually owned by Elite Model and photographed teenage girls exported from Europe to evaluate modeling. It was in this apartment that Jeffrey Epstein was accused of raping a 15-year-old girl after forcing her to undress.

Melania’s main problem during her first years in the United States, however; was the heavy cost of living in New York. From 1995 to 1997, she paid for her expensive living in New York by printing nude photos, especially on Trump’s private jet and escorting some Epstein clients, until some important events occurred in 1999.

Trump, who chose Melania as one of his sexy dolls, divorced his second wife and started T-Models in hopes of expanding the empire of the fashion world. Under Trump and Epstein, the company entered the sex trade and illegally traded virgin girls and minors to the rich.

Melania, who after a few years of sexual slavery had lost her appeal to long-awaited clients, was hired for a second phase of work hosted by young newcomers and forced to maintain her body and set an example for new models. Perform two cosmetic operations on the chest and face during the years 98 and 99.

At T-Models, Melania and Maxwell managed to train girls to photograph and then sleep with the rich, and for models who were reluctant to continue, they persuaded them and even their parents to settle for a lucrative short-term job with a residence and work permit in the United States by showing their own bank accounts and photos of their parties and how they progressed in the fashion market.

In order for the newcomers to start their careers without any embarrassment, Melania and Maxwell forced them to watch a free relationship with rented men to learn how to behave in a variety of sexual ways with guests.

Seeing these scenes, they had to learn the courage and skills to have sex with men of all tastes and ages. In some cases, Melania and Maxwell were even the sex model for rented men.

Accordingly; A U.S. court has charged Maxwell with sexual harassment of underage girls after her arrest, which carries a life sentence under the law.

Although Trump promised to shut down T-Models after his inauguration in January 2016, the agency continued to work until 2017 to remove model girls who were staying in the United States illegally.

To cover up the role of Trump and Melania in the sex club, Epstein has (apparently) committed suicide, Joseph Mifsud disappeared, Prince Andrew has been summoned by the US Attorney, Maxwell has been arrested, the family of US Federal Judge Esther Salas judge have been assassinated, 10 complaints against Trump Silent, Trump’s lawyers have either threatened exponents of Melania’s sexual slavery or collected her nude photos at great expense."
 

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I don't know what this news source is, but it is describing Trump's long-time collaboration with Epstein.

The mysterious story of Mr. Procurer President Trump and Escort First Lady Melania of America :: NOURNEWS

"Epstein and Maxwell needed to select celebrities in New York and London to start their own sex agency. He convinced Trump, who worked hard to escape financial bankruptcy in 1991 and needed to meet famous people.

Maxwell also considered Prince Andrew, who had good relations with influential people in London and the wealthy princes of Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

Epstein was introduced to Prince Andrew by Maxwell to host the London Sex Club, and he worked for many years at London and New York Sex Clubs, and Andrew was a regular client of virgin girls.

The American team “Trump-Epstein” and the British team “Andrew-Maxwell” needed to work with a global brand to start an international career to host the sex of the rich.

Trump, a regular at Casablanca nightclubs at his New York mansions, hired John Casablanca, director of the Italian company Elite Model Management, to work with him, and in 1991 signed a business deal with him as an investor and referee for the Elite Model beauty pageant.

With this agreement, the modeling industry and the sex industry of Europe and the United States merged, making it possible for politicians and the rich to have easy and hassle-free sex with teenage and virgin girls at the Trump and Epstein parties, which was welcomed. Even former US President Bill Clinton and Arab princes attended the parties.

Trump and Epstein held the Young Model Girls Contest at the Plaza Hotel in 1993 and in Maralogo in 1993 to advance their work. In these competitions, the top models who were willing to cooperate with the “Elite Model” were selected.

The competition was an important achievement and showed that girls from Eastern Europe and Latin America, and especially Brazil, are more willing to work in the sex industry. Since then, Elite has focused its modeling work on teenage girls identified through fashion brands and fashion magazines in Eastern European countries.

For easier access to Eastern European girls, “Elite Model” selected young supermodels who, while familiar with the Russian language and culture, were more attractive to girls from Eastern European countries, and then could more easily communicate and educate girls, especially from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus were transferred to the United States and London.

“Melania” was noticed in these searches among the beautiful girls of Eastern Europe. An unknown figure, she was introduced to Casablanca and Epstein through a man named Paolo Zampolli. From now on, in order for Melania to become international, it was necessary for her to become famous worldwide in collaboration with world-famous brands in France and Italy.

Zampolii started the ID Models agency in the 1990s to attract European girls and coordinated Melania’s work in Italy with “Joseph Mifsud”, who had close ties to Trump and Epstein.

In 1992, with the support of Zampolii and Mifsud, “Jana Magazine” published photos of Melania with 12 beautiful young girls, which eventually selected Melania as the top three models of the year. The yellow press immediately published reports and photos of Melania’s personality and achievements.

After gaining fame in Italy and France in 1995, Melania arrived in New York on an H-1B visa and lived with a sports photographer named “Matthew Atanian” and later with Epstein in an apartment where he worked as a photographer.

The apartment was actually owned by Elite Model and photographed teenage girls exported from Europe to evaluate modeling. It was in this apartment that Jeffrey Epstein was accused of raping a 15-year-old girl after forcing her to undress.

Melania’s main problem during her first years in the United States, however; was the heavy cost of living in New York. From 1995 to 1997, she paid for her expensive living in New York by printing nude photos, especially on Trump’s private jet and escorting some Epstein clients, until some important events occurred in 1999.

Trump, who chose Melania as one of his sexy dolls, divorced his second wife and started T-Models in hopes of expanding the empire of the fashion world. Under Trump and Epstein, the company entered the sex trade and illegally traded virgin girls and minors to the rich.

Melania, who after a few years of sexual slavery had lost her appeal to long-awaited clients, was hired for a second phase of work hosted by young newcomers and forced to maintain her body and set an example for new models. Perform two cosmetic operations on the chest and face during the years 98 and 99.

At T-Models, Melania and Maxwell managed to train girls to photograph and then sleep with the rich, and for models who were reluctant to continue, they persuaded them and even their parents to settle for a lucrative short-term job with a residence and work permit in the United States by showing their own bank accounts and photos of their parties and how they progressed in the fashion market.

In order for the newcomers to start their careers without any embarrassment, Melania and Maxwell forced them to watch a free relationship with rented men to learn how to behave in a variety of sexual ways with guests.

Seeing these scenes, they had to learn the courage and skills to have sex with men of all tastes and ages. In some cases, Melania and Maxwell were even the sex model for rented men.

Accordingly; A U.S. court has charged Maxwell with sexual harassment of underage girls after her arrest, which carries a life sentence under the law.

Although Trump promised to shut down T-Models after his inauguration in January 2016, the agency continued to work until 2017 to remove model girls who were staying in the United States illegally.

To cover up the role of Trump and Melania in the sex club, Epstein has (apparently) committed suicide, Joseph Mifsud disappeared, Prince Andrew has been summoned by the US Attorney, Maxwell has been arrested, the family of US Federal Judge Esther Salas judge have been assassinated, 10 complaints against Trump Silent, Trump’s lawyers have either threatened exponents of Melania’s sexual slavery or collected her nude photos at great expense."

 

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I don't know what this news source is, but it is describing Trump's long-time collaboration with Epstein.

The mysterious story of Mr. Procurer President Trump and Escort First Lady Melania of America :: NOURNEWS

"Epstein and Maxwell needed to select celebrities in New York and London to start their own sex agency. He convinced Trump, who worked hard to escape financial bankruptcy in 1991 and needed to meet famous people.

Maxwell also considered Prince Andrew, who had good relations with influential people in London and the wealthy princes of Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

Epstein was introduced to Prince Andrew by Maxwell to host the London Sex Club, and he worked for many years at London and New York Sex Clubs, and Andrew was a regular client of virgin girls.

The American team “Trump-Epstein” and the British team “Andrew-Maxwell” needed to work with a global brand to start an international career to host the sex of the rich.

Trump, a regular at Casablanca nightclubs at his New York mansions, hired John Casablanca, director of the Italian company Elite Model Management, to work with him, and in 1991 signed a business deal with him as an investor and referee for the Elite Model beauty pageant.

With this agreement, the modeling industry and the sex industry of Europe and the United States merged, making it possible for politicians and the rich to have easy and hassle-free sex with teenage and virgin girls at the Trump and Epstein parties, which was welcomed. Even former US President Bill Clinton and Arab princes attended the parties.

Trump and Epstein held the Young Model Girls Contest at the Plaza Hotel in 1993 and in Maralogo in 1993 to advance their work. In these competitions, the top models who were willing to cooperate with the “Elite Model” were selected.

The competition was an important achievement and showed that girls from Eastern Europe and Latin America, and especially Brazil, are more willing to work in the sex industry. Since then, Elite has focused its modeling work on teenage girls identified through fashion brands and fashion magazines in Eastern European countries.

For easier access to Eastern European girls, “Elite Model” selected young supermodels who, while familiar with the Russian language and culture, were more attractive to girls from Eastern European countries, and then could more easily communicate and educate girls, especially from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus were transferred to the United States and London.

“Melania” was noticed in these searches among the beautiful girls of Eastern Europe. An unknown figure, she was introduced to Casablanca and Epstein through a man named Paolo Zampolli. From now on, in order for Melania to become international, it was necessary for her to become famous worldwide in collaboration with world-famous brands in France and Italy.

Zampolii started the ID Models agency in the 1990s to attract European girls and coordinated Melania’s work in Italy with “Joseph Mifsud”, who had close ties to Trump and Epstein.

In 1992, with the support of Zampolii and Mifsud, “Jana Magazine” published photos of Melania with 12 beautiful young girls, which eventually selected Melania as the top three models of the year. The yellow press immediately published reports and photos of Melania’s personality and achievements.

After gaining fame in Italy and France in 1995, Melania arrived in New York on an H-1B visa and lived with a sports photographer named “Matthew Atanian” and later with Epstein in an apartment where he worked as a photographer.

The apartment was actually owned by Elite Model and photographed teenage girls exported from Europe to evaluate modeling. It was in this apartment that Jeffrey Epstein was accused of raping a 15-year-old girl after forcing her to undress.

Melania’s main problem during her first years in the United States, however; was the heavy cost of living in New York. From 1995 to 1997, she paid for her expensive living in New York by printing nude photos, especially on Trump’s private jet and escorting some Epstein clients, until some important events occurred in 1999.

Trump, who chose Melania as one of his sexy dolls, divorced his second wife and started T-Models in hopes of expanding the empire of the fashion world. Under Trump and Epstein, the company entered the sex trade and illegally traded virgin girls and minors to the rich.

Melania, who after a few years of sexual slavery had lost her appeal to long-awaited clients, was hired for a second phase of work hosted by young newcomers and forced to maintain her body and set an example for new models. Perform two cosmetic operations on the chest and face during the years 98 and 99.

At T-Models, Melania and Maxwell managed to train girls to photograph and then sleep with the rich, and for models who were reluctant to continue, they persuaded them and even their parents to settle for a lucrative short-term job with a residence and work permit in the United States by showing their own bank accounts and photos of their parties and how they progressed in the fashion market.

In order for the newcomers to start their careers without any embarrassment, Melania and Maxwell forced them to watch a free relationship with rented men to learn how to behave in a variety of sexual ways with guests.

Seeing these scenes, they had to learn the courage and skills to have sex with men of all tastes and ages. In some cases, Melania and Maxwell were even the sex model for rented men.

Accordingly; A U.S. court has charged Maxwell with sexual harassment of underage girls after her arrest, which carries a life sentence under the law.

Although Trump promised to shut down T-Models after his inauguration in January 2016, the agency continued to work until 2017 to remove model girls who were staying in the United States illegally.

To cover up the role of Trump and Melania in the sex club, Epstein has (apparently) committed suicide, Joseph Mifsud disappeared, Prince Andrew has been summoned by the US Attorney, Maxwell has been arrested, the family of US Federal Judge Esther Salas judge have been assassinated, 10 complaints against Trump Silent, Trump’s lawyers have either threatened exponents of Melania’s sexual slavery or collected her nude photos at great expense."

Oh, that sounds like conspiracy bullshit, to be frank. And a quick Google search indicates that Nour News is a semiofficial medium of the government of Iran.

Look, I despise Trump as much as the next one, but that doesn't mean that we should fight fire with fire and fake news conspiracy propaganda with fake news conspiracy propaganda.
 

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Oh, that sounds like conspiracy bullshit, to be frank. And a quick Google search indicates that Nour News is a semiofficial medium of the government of Iran.

Look, I despise Trump as much as the next one, but that doesn't mean that we should fight fire with fire and fake news conspiracy propaganda with fake news conspiracy propaganda.
It could be. There is an ongoing investigation into Epstein that is taking depositions to name co-conspirators which have primarily referred to Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, and Prince Andrew in several sources including the ones below, and this will go through the court system, so I agree conclusions should be drawn then. Epstein and Maxwell were both arrested by the FBI. Trump and Melania were socially connected to them, neighbors, and socializing together for years. The connection with the beauty pageants and modeling agencies are established. Those parts are facts. This article adds details I haven't found several verifying sources. Have you followed any of the information on Epstein?

CNBC
Jeffrey Epstein sex traffic trial expected in 2020

CNBC
Jeffrey Epstein death in jail under FBI investigation

BBC
Jeffrey Epstein case: FBI '''investigating Ghislaine Maxwell''' - BBC News

Newsweek
Jeffrey Epstein Told Inmates About Donald Trump and Bill Clinton Before Death, Book Claims

New York Magazine
Trump's statement about Epstein after years of knowing him
"“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine that year for a story headlined “Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery.” “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it - Jeffrey enjoys his social life.” Trump later denied the relationship and publicly rejected Epstein after Epstein's arrest.
Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery

New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/us/politics/trump-epstein.html

On a related note, here is a list of Trump's sexual harassment and assault charges, some from contestants at the Miss Teen USA competitions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Trump also has lifelong professional connection with Roy Cohn who is the lawyer to the mob in New York.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910

Here are direct links to the United States Department of Justice statements on the Epstein Maxwell sex trafficking ring.
Jeffrey Epstein Charged In Manhattan Federal Court With Sex Trafficking Of Minors
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/p...anhattan-federal-court-sex-trafficking-minors

Ghislaine Maxwell Charged In Manhattan Federal Court For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/p...ral-court-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually

What is in question is the degree of involvement from Donald Trump and Melania, and if it goes beyond 15 years of social involvement. There are depositions filed against Donald Trump that include detailed accounts of being a co-conspirator, but these are also in the court process. The sex trafficking ring is documented with the FBI.
 
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