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The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump

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Man, politics in general (not necessarily here) just reads as a bunch of grumpy people getting threatened by people with opposing beliefs. If Trump's presidency teaches me anything at all, it's that politics is all about assessing threats and so that's how people react. It's like utterly pointless to even talk about anymore because everyone is triggered and threatened, unless you agree with them.

meh.

//carry on
 

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Yes, but all these sheeple are direct consequence of the market and someones business. Who destroyed public education to the point that it is useless ? Market loving people. Who is doing 24/7 reality TV ? Market. Who completely filled the environment and culture with Ads ? Market. Who made laws that everything should result with financial profit of private consultants, even if it is just based on useless regulation. Market people. Who introduced social networks and all other ADHD/Narcissism "standards". Market. You may not recognize it but you are living in your own phantasy, since this is where it leads to. The 1% are fundamentally nothing more than people who were rewarded for their ambition and intelligence.
Everything in the world preys on the weak- the market is no exception. I don't think it creates these sheeple- I think it exposes them. It should be allowed to finish them off, but now they seem to be glomming together and clamoring for other people's resources they did not earn- demanding theft by gunpoint at legal levels and attempting to use mob-rule democracy to justify this theft. It's as disgusting and pathetic as they are.
 

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The people whining about income inequality don't think that Steph Curry should be making $35 million/year when a WNBA star like Diana Taurasi only makes $150K. The same people have a problem with Robert Downey Jr making $20 million/movie when a movie extra only makes $100/day. I don't have a problem with income inequality because libertarians recognize that inequality is an expression of our appreciation for an individual's talent and skill.

If you work hard, very hard and you spent thousands of hours studying or honing your craft, why shouldn't you make more money than the guy who spends his day in his basement smoking pot and playing video games? Democrats think that it's wrong that doctors make more than teachers; I think the market should decide how much a person's job is worth.

If you really think this through, do you really want income equality? Do you really want everyone making the same money with no regard to talent, skill, or effort? Societies with very little income disparities, like North Korea, generally suck and are miserable places to live.
 

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I wanna join you on that plane of existence of where average working class people can personally see the monetary benefits of the fabled "trickle down" economics that the GOP consistently says exist. I'd say the stigmatization and disolvement of labor unions, coupled with outsourcing of labor shifting the balance of power in favor of employers, plays a big part of this trend.

How can you suggest wages have increased when we have the greatest income disparity since the depression? Unemployment may be trending downward but people are having to work longer hours for less and less spending power -- you have an increasing amount of households which are working poor.

Wages are increasing across the board. When super basic jobs are now paying more than skilled labor, causes the skilled labor to go to those jobs. Then when skilled labor can't hire anyone. They raise wages. This demand for labor can only happen when there are more jobs than the population can normally provide. Creating competition for the workforce. Under Trump, he has flooded the market in skilled trades, creating more demand, and higher wages. Being paid more is better, regardless of spending power, because that changes far slower than pay does. Do you have sources on where people are working longer hours to make ends meet, or are they just working longer hours for more money? Huge difference.

I have said it before, I live in one of the most lucrative and easily affected states in the USA. Ohio is easily impacted by everything, because its so tied into markets and factory jobs. AS of right now, its one of the best states to live in, due to low cost of living, higher wages, and more diversity of employment. When gas stations offer 15$ an hour to fill their jobs, you know the market is good. And basing things on shit like "Spending power" varies greatly by state, and largely influenced by the political party in power. Same with taxes, not of the federal variety. Some states have much higher fuel tax than others. Some states have taxes on food, some do not. So generalizing all of USA by things like "Income disparity", when it varies by state. Its one of those things you cannot measure accurately.

As with Unions, they are a double edge sword. They either greatly harm, or greatly benefit the work force. They ensure hours, at the expense of efficiency. In a growing state, unions fuck them up. In an already well populated established state. They aid in maintaining a secure job. Unions are without a doubt, why nothing gets done. Due to the sheer amount of bureaucracy involved with them, and their heavy handed tactics forcing people to vote a certain way. Its much like a modern day guild. This creates issues, by not abiding by the market. If Unions demand members get paid more, even if the market is decreasing. This is where issues come in. They avoid this by getting monopolies, and inflating prices. Suddenly simple things like paving your drive way become obscenely expensive. Unions do nothing more than secure jobs, inflate prices, and decrease efficiency all for the sake of "protecting the worker". Even if they are not needed.
 

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Originally posted by Tellenbach:

nequality is an expression of our appreciation for an individual's talent and skill.


Let me get out my shovel and boots.
 

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Let me get out my shovel and boots.

How do you propose society even exist without competition? Just curious.

A lot of the "equality" I seen preached, simply results in severe mediocrity. We prop up shit, and call it god, and if you hate it you are blasphemous.

I am all for equal opportunity, but I sure as fuck don't believe everyone deserves everything they want. Since you have to work for everything, there will be people better or worse than you. So when you jip the one person doing better than everyone because you do not want anyone offended, nothing of quality is ever produced. Everything becomes shit. I for one, do not want to live in that world. Some people are made to be famous artists, others are meant to flip burgers forever. Get over it.
 

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Everything in the world preys on the weak- the market is no exception. I don't think it creates these sheeple- I think it exposes them.

That I can agree with, sans the word 'everything.' It's too absolute. But, yes, marketing easily has the ability to expose sheeple. Imo, some are born a sheep and it's dormant until some group of assholes trigger it.
 
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The people whining about income inequality don't think that Steph Curry should be making $35 million/year when a WNBA star like Diana Taurasi only makes $150K. The same people have a problem with Robert Downey Jr making $20 million/movie when a movie extra only makes $100/day. I don't have a problem with income inequality because libertarians recognize that inequality is an expression of our appreciation for an individual's talent and skill.

If you work hard, very hard and you spent thousands of hours studying or honing your craft, why shouldn't you make more money than the guy who spends his day in his basement smoking pot and playing video games? Democrats think that it's wrong that doctors make more than teachers; I think the market should decide how much a person's job is worth.

If you really think this through, do you really want income equality? Do you really want everyone making the same money with no regard to talent, skill, or effort? Societies with very little income disparities, like North Korea, generally suck and are miserable places to live.

What about inherited wealth vs. acquired wealth? I was able to go to grad school and do other things to develop my skills to the point where I could more than double my past salary only because my parents could afford to have me live there for a few years. I might have been able to manage grad school and some other job, but I don't think I could have managed all the unpaid effort I put into various software development projects and learning opportunities. Some of that stuff consumed most of my time.
 

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Julius_Van_Der_Beak said:
What about inherited wealth vs. acquired wealth?

Your side opposes all income disparity. I have no problem with inherited wealth. If you work hard your entire life, why shouldn't you get to decide who gets that money when you die? Do you want family farms and small family run businesses to shut down? In-N-Out Burger is family run; I want that business to continue because they put out a great product. Why do you think it's a good idea for the government to destroy family owned businesses?
 
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Your side opposes all income disparity. I have no problem with inherited wealth. If you work hard your entire life, why shouldn't you get to decide who gets that money when you die? Do you want family farms and small family run businesses to shut down? In-N-Out Burger is family run; I want that business to continue because they put out a great product. Why do you think it's a good idea for the government to destroy family owned businesses?

That's a different conversation. In that case, individual merit has nothing to do with it, so your idea of meritocracy is a fantasy akin to Tankie romanticization of the USSR, unless you think Chelsea Clinton is a genius because she went to good schools.
 

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Julius_Van_Der_Beak said:
In that case, individual merit has nothing to do with it, so your idea of meritocracy is a fantasy akin to Tankie romanticization of the USSR, unless you think Chelsea Clinton is a genius because she went to good schools.

The vast majority of millionaires are "self-made", but I have no problem with people winning lotteries or striking rich at a casino. That's the problem with the current Democrat party; you are too focused on other people's successes when you should be concerned with how to create an environment that benefits everyone. Don't be jealous because Bezos makes a billion times more than you; he deserves every cent.
 
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The vast majority of millionaires are "self-made", but I have no problem with people winning lotteries or striking rich at a casino. That's the problem with the current Democrat party; you are too focused on other people's successes when you should be concerned with how to create an environment that benefits everyone. Don't be jealous because Bezos makes a billion times more than you; he deserves every cent.

That's not what I was talking about.

You should be concerned with how to create an environment that benefits everyone.

This is indeed what I am focused on. Not sure what you are focused on, exactly. Reality television?

I don't really consider someone like Trump to be a "self-made millionaire." I'm not sure how you can claim that when his dad gave him his first million.

The issue isn't between those work hard and those who do not, but those who inherit wealth and those who do not.
 

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Heaven forbid a man works and invests his whole life and wants to leave the results of that to his family. Jesus Christ, already. Is this America?
 
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