Still need help.. INFP/ENFP

[magikxmushroom]

Alright, so i've asked help on this forum a few weeks ago, and we went to the conclusion that I was an INFP, but I'm still not sure about my type, cause I kinda relate to ENFP too.

INFPness in me :

- I need to be alone
- I'm not comfortable when I'm at the center of attention
- I'm incredibly sensitive

ENFPness in me :

- I can appear extraverted, and charismatic.
- I think that I may use a bit more Ne than Fi
- I sometimes am the entertainer in a group

That's pretty much it thank you !

 

[Star Atlas]

I/E is probably the most problematic for people to pin down because there is a lot of overlap. The needle can move on this spectrum without changing much about how the type expresses itself in the person's thoughts.

It may just be that you need more time to settle into yourself in life and see where the chips fall when gravity takes over. Ie, the quiet stillness inside, is that what rules you? Or does the allure of possibilities tug too hard at you?

Having said that, the snippets you posted above have more of an INFP flavor than ENFP to me.

 

[magikxmushroom]

Well I feel that at my core I'm still and quiet, but when I'm with people it goes the other way around.

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I/E is probably the most problematic for people to pin down because there is a lot of overlap. The needle can move on this spectrum without changing much about how the type expresses itself in the person's thoughts.

It may just be that you need more time to settle into yourself in life and see where the chips fall when gravity takes over. Ie, the quiet stillness inside, is that what rules you? Or does the allure of possibilities tug too hard at you?

Having said that, the snippets you posted above have more of an INFP flavor than ENFP to me.

Well I feel that at my core I'm still and quiet, but when I'm with people it goes the other way around.

 

[magikxmushroom]

INFPs don't use Fe, but Fi. Dunno if that was a typo or not.
What about your inferior function?

It was an error and I don't fully understand my inferior functions :/

 

[Star Atlas]

Well I feel that at my core I'm still and quiet, but when I'm with people it goes the other way around.

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Well I feel that at my core I'm still and quiet, but when I'm with people it goes the other way around.

It may just be that it works best for you to sit with one type for a bit, read up about it, taste it out in your mind... then do the same for the other description.

Ultimately this will be about you and what you discover in yourself. We on the outside won't be able to get a clear picture of that inner self like you can.

 

[magikxmushroom]

Try understanding which are your tertiary and inferior functions. Simplifying, the inferior in particular comes out when we are at our worst, making us act innaturally but also represents a deep desire we have.
So... what if you describe how you act when you are stressed out?

I think that I use Si more than Te, but I'm not sure. When I'm under stressed and I'm with other people, they always notice it. I have difficulty keeping myself.

 

[Rouskyrie]

Alright, so i've asked help on this forum a few weeks ago, and we went to the conclusion that I was an INFP, but I'm still not sure about my type, cause I kinda relate to ENFP too.

INFPness in me :

- I need to be alone
- I'm not comfortable when I'm at the center of attention
- I'm incredibly sensitive

ENFPness in me :

- I can appear extraverted, and charismatic.
- I think that I may use a bit more Ne than Fi
- I sometimes am the entertainer in a group

That's pretty much it thank you !

Could you try to describe your decision making process in the order in which it occurs?

If it helps, you can use my example as a template:

"- Will this affect others negatively? Yes. Okay, let's change it to be both efficient and tactful. Is this acceptable to others? *Asks other people for opinions.* Yes. Is this logically sound? *Asks other people for opinions, fact checks.* Yes. Now that I've covered that, we're ready.

- Is this fine-tuned so I won't need to make changes later? No. Okay, let's look into improvements. Now that this I've planned ahead and accounted for various circumstances/rendered this easy to adjust, we're ready.

- Is this easy to understand? No. Will this bore someone? No. Okay, let's prepare a shorter version to account for an audience that's not a fan of lengthy reading. A skit or song, perhaps. Now that I've covered that, we're ready.

- Will someone find errors in this? Yes. Okay, let's account for the errors and make sure this will be perceived as factually sound. Now that I've done that, we're ready."

 

[magikxmushroom]

That wasn't the description I was looking for, sorry. It's just a "I may be using Si more than Te but I don't know why"
I meant, do you become harsh? Do you criticize everybody? Do you have emotional outbursts? Do you find relief in your senses? Something like that. How do you act? Please expand

I feel more alive, I may become harsh if someone's not doing his/her job, but I mostly get in my head and I don't socialize much. I kinda express my emotion a lot. In high school, before a speeking exam, I wanted everybody yo know that I was under stress, I was kinda searching for approval.

 

[magikxmushroom]

I get extreme

 

[magikxmushroom]

Could you try to describe your decision making process in the order in which it occurs?

If it helps, you can use my example as a template:

"- Will this affect others negatively? Yes. Okay, let's change it to be both efficient and tactful. Is this acceptable to others? *Asks other people for opinions.* Yes. Is this logically sound? *Asks other people for opinions, fact checks.* Yes. Now that I've covered that, we're ready.

- Is this fine-tuned so I won't need to make changes later? No. Okay, let's look into improvements. Now that this I've planned ahead and accounted for various circumstances/rendered this easy to adjust, we're ready.

- Is this easy to understand? No. Will this bore someone? No. Okay, let's prepare a shorter version to account for an audience that's not a fan of lengthy reading. A skit or song, perhaps. Now that I've covered that, we're ready.

- Will someone find errors in this? Yes. Okay, let's account for the errors and make sure this will be perceived as factually sound. Now that I've done that, we're ready."

I would take your first exemple.

 

[magikxmushroom]

Mh... Fi doms prefer to keep their emotions for themselves, they aren't very keen on showing them that much. As you described your behaviour in high school you'd look like a Fe with tert/inferior Ti to me. But of course I can't base my judging only on one situation.
Why do you think you could be an INFP?
As [MENTION=29179]Rouskyrie[/MENTION] said, a description of your decision making process would be useful.

Well for quite a long time I thought that I was an INFJ. I think that I'm an INFP, cause I care deeply about my value and I want integrity, I'm very sensitive and I feel emtions a lot. I feel better about myself when I'm alone.

 

[magikxmushroom]

Right now I'm leaning towards ISFJ, second choice INFJ due to your communication style. Definitely not ENFP. I'm not seeing any Ne, so I doubt on you being an INFP.

I'm pretty sure that I'm not a senser, my interest are way too abstract (psycholoy, philosophy, music and cinema), and I'm daydreaming A lot, I'm not into the present moment. And I don't know about the J, i'm not very good at being organized and I tend to start things without finishing it (maybe because I always criticize what I create so I just go on to another project)

 

[magikxmushroom]

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The only abstract interest you mentioned is philosophy. Time ago, browsing on this forum when I still didn't have an account, I read about an ESTP girl who daydreamed a lot, one of my exes is ESFJ and is studying philosophy by himself. So interests may be a nice guide on determing your type but aren't an assurance. I'd not discard Si dominance, as the N is rare (if I am not wrong, according to the statistics only roundly 25-30% of the population is) and I'm not seeing anything to prove it in your reasoning. I'd stick with your first impression of INFJ if you are 100% sure you are N, though.
Would you like to fill in a questionnaire?

Yeah that would help a lot, i'm very confused even though I'm pretty sure that i'm more of an N type.

PS: sorry for the english, not my first language and thanks for your help

 

[magikxmushroom]

The only abstract interest you mentioned is philosophy. Time ago, browsing on this forum when I still didn't have an account, I read about an ESTP girl who daydreamed a lot, one of my exes is ESFJ and is studying philosophy by himself. So interests may be a nice guide on determing your type but aren't an assurance. I'd not discard Si dominance, as the N is rare (if I am not wrong, according to the statistics only roundly 25-30% of the population is) and I'm not seeing anything to prove it in your reasoning. I'd stick with your first impression of INFJ if you are 100% sure you are N, though.
Would you like to fill in a questionnaire?

But like I'd qualify my interest in art to be very abstract (Radiohead, Bjork, patrick watson, Alejandro jodorowsky's films )

 

[Rebeka]

you have to be enthusiastic and spontenaous and you enjoy doing foolish things in front of others just for fun, although you innerly know that you're not about that things, you are commited to everything that Does mean really to you... and only you and those that really know you know about that. In other words, the real people that intreresst you is not necessary all to whom you relate, although you truly enjoy their company and appreciate them. Another thing that differences ENFP from INFP is that we are not so idealistic as INFP. They, as introverts, take the energy from their inner feelings, and can be really focused on their proper daydreaming up to the point they feel disconnected from the social ways of relating to others. I have a friend who's INFP and she's always questioning things in her mind and vieweing life from a too much sensitive point of view, which is amazing, but leads her not to be enoughly fitted

(i'm not a native english speaker so i don't know if I let myself being understood) XD

 

[magikxmushroom]

This one is a bit long, but I think it goes deep into your personality:
If not you can go here and choose another one.


No problem for the language, I'm italian so I understand the struggle, I'm keeping on editing my posts to correct my mistakes^^

J or P is also about how you jump to conclusions. Ps, especially NxPs, are really, really dispersive. You can imagine Ne like the branches of an old tree. It's hard for them to find conclusions, jumping around, further and back from idea to idea.

1- My social interraction make me unsure about my type, I feel like an extravert when I'm with people.
2- Knowledge, cause it can make me a better human being and it makes me feel closer to wisdom.
3- Recently I created a song with my band and I was the creative mind behind the song. Everyone from the band enjoyed it and it suprise me cause I don't deel like they get what I like creating (that's why I'd rather create my own stuff solo).
4- I think I lack self esteem and my sensitive nature make me feel feminine ( which I know is not a bad thing but you know for a dude :/ hahah)
5- Before taking a decision I chek How I feel about it.
6- When I am working on a project, If I invest my time in it, I want it to be the way that I saw it at the fist place and I don't want anybody to change the vibe, but sometimes when I don't like what's the project I just don't care and I let the people do their things
7- I dont feel like i'm using Si a lot, my memory hurts lol, but a fun time in my life must have been when I was hitchiking all across canada this summer, I could felt what freedom really meant and I could be alone with my thought while being surrounded by mountain. My memory of it is okay I guess since it was not so long ago, but I'm pretty sure I forgot a lot of things haha.
8- When I wanna learn something new, I natturally want it to be useful for my knowledge and my comprehension of the world.
9- I'm not really organized hahah, I always get things done, but a lot of time its at the last minute haha. My room is a mess and I have trouble on planning and organizing activities.
10- I'm REALLY not sure about it, but I judge new idea by understanding the principles behind it.
11- I'm mixed up on this one, but I feel that I follow what I believe and i try to be myself more than I try to see if everyone feel fine (even tho I want them to feel fine)
12- I enjoy one on one conversation, I feel I can get to the core of the other person. I think that I mostly think but I can sometimes talk without thinking haha
13- I rather know where i'm jumping without leaping.
14- If it's my favorite show, i'll probably stay home but it would be a hard choice.
15- I'm mostly in my head, but on the outside I can appear Harsh and anxious.
16- When in my opinion they have bad values, bad knowledge and when they are mean to everyone. But if they don't have this criteria, I like em all haha.
17- I really enjoy deep conversation with others, In parties the best conversation for me is when I go take some air outside and I take alone with someone who had a few drinks about feelings and philosophy.
18- I don't pay attention to money, I really don't care about it. I don't pay attention to small talk too hehe
19- I feel like I'm wiser than they think. Everyone perceive me different, but I hate when I feel that I being perceive as an excited sensitive man.
20- Play music with a friend or two, or just being alone and fulfill my addiction to knowledge.

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you have to be enthusiastic and spontenaous and you enjoy doing foolish things in front of others just for fun, although you innerly know that you're not about that things, you are commited to everything that Does mean really to you... and only you and those that really know you know about that. In other words, the real people that intreresst you is not necessary all to whom you relate, although you truly enjoy their company and appreciate them. Another thing that differences ENFP from INFP is that we are not so idealistic as INFP. They, as introverts, take the energy from their inner feelings, and can be really focused on their proper daydreaming up to the point they feel disconnected from the social ways of relating to others. I have a friend who's INFP and she's always questioning things in her mind and vieweing life from a too much sensitive point of view, which is amazing, but leads her not to be enoughly fitted

(i'm not a native english speaker so i don't know if I let myself being understood) XD

I do identify with that, but I'm not really spontaneous and enthusiastic. hahha

 

[robert666]

Alright, so i've asked help on this forum a few weeks ago, and we went to the conclusion that I was an INFP, but I'm still not sure about my type, cause I kinda relate to ENFP too.

INFPness in me :

- I need to be alone
- I'm not comfortable when I'm at the center of attention
- I'm incredibly sensitive

ENFPness in me :

- I can appear extraverted, and charismatic.
- I think that I may use a bit more Ne than Fi
- I sometimes am the entertainer in a group

That's pretty much it thank you !

The E/I preference is not about social introversion or extroversion. It has to do with the order of your first two functions. So needing to be alone, not being comfortable as the center of attention or being sensitive, is not necessarily a good indicator of a preference for I.

 

[magikxmushroom]

The E/I preference is not about social introversion or extroversion. It has to do with the order of your first two functions. So needing to be alone, not being comfortable as the center of attention or being sensitive, is not necessarily a good indicator of a preference for I.

Yeah, I understand that, But I don't know if I use Ne over Fi or Fi over Ne and I dont know If I use Si over Te or Te over SI

 

[robert666]

Yeah, I understand that, But I don't know if I use Ne over Fi or Fi over Ne and I dont know If I use Si over Te or Te over SI

Since you are confident that Ne and Fi are your first two functions then you are better off examining those to decide their order. It makes more sense to look for your use of the strongest functions, since you will be using them a lot. It makes a lot more sense than looking at Si and Te. If you were tracking an animal in the forest and had a choice of looking for paw prints or sniffing for it's scent, it would make sense for you as a human to look for paw prints, because that's what would be more obvious to you.
When examining your use of Ne and Fi, you might want to consider which function you use the most (assuming that you are not hindered from doing so), which feels more comfortable and is your natural state, which one are you more naturally drawn to... etc.

 

[magikxmushroom]

Since you are confident that Ne and Fi are your first two functions then you are better off examining those to decide their order. It makes more sense to look for your use of the strongest functions, since you will be using them a lot. It makes a lot more sense than looking at Si and Te. If you were tracking an animal in the forest and had a choice of looking for paw prints or sniffing for it's scent, it would make sense for you as a human to look for paw prints, because that's what would be more obvious to you.
When examining your use of Ne and Fi, you might want to consider which function you use the most (assuming that you are not hindered from doing so), which feels more comfortable and is your natural state, which one are you more naturally drawn to... etc.

If I had to choose and if my comprehension of those function is right, I think that I use Ne more than Fi. Well I guess that is the fonction that I use haha