Random Politics Thread

[The Cat]

Why didn't I forget? I'm constantly online.

Because you're obsessive, and a big part of you schtick is to holding onto that stuff, you've been consistently doing it as long as Ive known you, as a matter of fact it seems a point of pride for you.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Because you're obsessive, and a big part of you schtick is to holding onto that stuff, you've been consistently doing it as long as Ive known you, as a matter of fact it seems a point of pride for you.

Why shouldn't I be proud of it? I'm glad that I remember. I'm glad that I don't leave behind that which had meaning for me. Everything changes, but a fond memory can brighten the darkest day. An unpleasant memory can be an invaluable warning of danger. That and everything in between helps me know who I am. I am who I remember I am, not who others tell me I am, which is often inaccurate.

The only trick is that my memory is not infallible, either.

But when forgetfulness causes the problems it does, it seems I should honor and value not being able to easily forget.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I'm also capable of forgiveness. I do it all the time.

 

[Maou]

So when are people going to admit that Biden/Harris stole 2020 election? Where did those millions of votes go, when we had even higher record turn out? Trump actually had less of a turn out than last round.

In before The Cat deletes my post like usual.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

So when are people going to admit that Biden/Harris stole 2020 election? Where did those millions of votes go, when we had even higher record turn out? Trump actually had less of a turn out than last round.
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In before The Cat deletes my post like usual.

I'm not, because it didn't happen. I don't think Trump stole 2016 or 2024, either. I think the heroic Bush administration stole at least one election and possibly another, though.

 

[Maou]

I'm not, because it didn't happen. I don't think Trump stole 2016 or 2024, either. I think the heroic Bush administration stole at least one election and possibly another, though.

So where did all the votes go? Its infeasible that everyone just decided to stay home for no reason. Why did they stay home? Both paint a very important picture regardless.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

So where did all the votes go? Its infeasible that everyone just decided to stay home for no reason. Why did they stay home? Both paint a very important picture regardless.

I don't care about your conspiracy theory bullshit. I don't want to start hearing it from the left, either. Listening to people bring up 9/11 trutherism was annoying enough.

I know the world doesn't feel good sometimes and we don't get the outcomes we want. Learn to fucking deal with it, instead of acting like it didn't actually happen, which doesn't actually do anyone any good.

 

[Maou]

I don't care about your conspiracy theory bullshit. I don't want to start hearing it from the left, either. Listening to people bring up 9/11 trutherism was annoying enough.

I know the world doesn't feel good sometimes and we don't get the outcomes we want. Learn to fucking deal with it, instead of acting like it didn't actually happen, which doesn't actually do anyone any good.

I'm just asking you to notice a factual inconsistency. That isn't asking much.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I'm just asking you to notice a factual inconsistency. That isn't asking much.

No you're not. You're semi-gloating. I don't personally care. Other people probably will.

 

[Maou]

No you're not. You're semi-gloating. I don't personally care. Other people probably will.

You would only consider it gloating, if you thought I was right.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

You would only consider it gloating, if you thought I was right.

No, gloating is about bragging with a victory.

I was gloating in 2020 when I posted "You're fired" on Facebook.

 

[Maou]

No, gloating is about bragging with a victory.

I was gloating in 2020 when I posted "You're fired" on Facebook.

Nah, I am fairly patient and accepting. I firmly believe 2020 was stolen. Zero doubt in my mind. No one in their right mind, think's the Biden administration did a good job nor that he is the most popular president in history. All they did was nothing but fuck up, and blame all the problems on Trump. Then when in 2025 happens. They will say all the good things was because of Biden. It is a ceaseless fuckery of dodging accountability, and people are too inept to understand it even when its staring them in the face. It is easy to track what policies lead to which outcomes.

I really hope the Democratic party wakes up, and returns to what it used to be.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Nah, I am fairly patient and accepting. I firmly believe 2020 was stolen. Zero doubt in my mind. No one in their right mind, think's the Biden administration did a good job nor that he is the most popular president in history. All they did was nothing but fuck up, and blame all the problems on Trump. Then when in 2025 happens. They will say all the good things was because of Biden. It is a ceaseless fuckery of dodging accountability, and people are too inept to understand it even when its staring them in the face. It is easy to track what policies lead to which outcomes.

I really hope the Democratic party wakes up, and returns to what it used to be.

I really hope the Democratic party gets replaced by a better party.

 

[Maou]

I really hope the Democratic party gets replaced by a better party.

How are you to both parties being switched out by a new one? I consider the more current political landscape to be common sense vs identity politics.

 

[Coriolis]

Nah, I am fairly patient and accepting. I firmly believe 2020 was stolen. Zero doubt in my mind. No one in their right mind, think's the Biden administration did a good job nor that he is the most popular president in history. All they did was nothing but fuck up, and blame all the problems on Trump. Then when in 2025 happens. They will say all the good things was because of Biden. It is a ceaseless fuckery of dodging accountability, and people are too inept to understand it even when its staring them in the face. It is easy to track what policies lead to which outcomes.

I really hope the Democratic party wakes up, and returns to what it used to be.

Biden is unlikely to be our most popular president ever, but he did a generally good job. Trump inherited a strong economy from Obama, then trashed it with the help of the pandemic. Biden got it back on track, but there is more to be done. The economy doesn't turn on a dime. Each president inherits the economy of his predecessor. This means things may continue to improve over the next year or so due to Biden's efforts. Whether that continues depends on Trump. If he does impose significant tariffs, prices will rise, and American exports may have trouble as other nations respond with their own tariffs - in short, a trade war.

And no, the 2020 election was not stolen, no more than the 2016 one, or the one this week. Countless judges, many appointed under Trump, have confirmed this. Actual fraud in all cases has been negligible, and mostly caught. If anything, the ongoing concerted efforts at voter suppression have reduced the progressive vote more than the populist/reactionary vote, but perhaps not enough to have changed any of the results. Trump whined about this even when he won. Harris didn't concede to be a nice guy, but because that's how democracy works. We all know Trump would not have done the same, even had Harris won in a landslide.

 

[Coriolis]

How are you to both parties being switched out by a new one? I consider the more current political landscape to be common sense vs identity politics.

 

[Coriolis]

Exactly what do you mean by identity politics? Not wanting to be denied basic rights and opportunities because of what demographic group you belong to? Identity politics started with people denying rights and access to others on that basis: "whites only", "women need not apply", "You guys are partners? Sorry, the apartment is taken." If you don't want people in the excluded groups to object, then stop giving them anything to object to. Like Tim Walz was fond of saying: mind your own damn business.

As for parties, it is high time we had new ones. Traditional conservatives no longer recognize the republican party. They need to make a new party, and leave the GOP to Trump populists. The Democrats could well split into Bernie-Sanders-style socialists, and Clinton/Biden-style centrists. But that won't happen. It makes too much sense, and too many Republicans still have the Trump koolaid in their systems.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

How are you to both parties being switched out by a new one? I consider the more current political landscape to be common sense vs identity politics.

I don't think it's going to happen for either party. I would describe the current political landscape as idiotic but attractive to many people politics vs people who refuse to ever learn from anything.

Any real change will need to start from below; I don't think we can rely on the Democratic party to really handle the situation considering where they have led us.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

 

[Maou]

Biden is unlikely to be our most popular president ever, but he did a generally good job. Trump inherited a strong economy from Obama, then trashed it with the help of the pandemic. Biden got it back on track, but there is more to be done. The economy doesn't turn on a dime. Each president inherits the economy of his predecessor. This means things may continue to improve over the next year or so due to Biden's efforts. Whether that continues depends on Trump. If he does impose significant tariffs, prices will rise, and American exports may have trouble as other nations respond with their own tariffs - in short, a trade war.

And no, the 2020 election was not stolen, no more than the 2016 one, or the one this week. Countless judges, many appointed under Trump, have confirmed this. Actual fraud in all cases has been negligible, and mostly caught. If anything, the ongoing concerted efforts at voter suppression have reduced the progressive vote more than the populist/reactionary vote, but perhaps not enough to have changed any of the results. Trump whined about this even when he won. Harris didn't concede to be a nice guy, but because that's how democracy works. We all know Trump would not have done the same, even had Harris won in a landslide.

This is what I mean about dodging accountability. You don't "inherit" an economy. Have you ever looked at the economics before and after many presidents, and not just the current ones? It has always been in a gradual decline, its just hyper focus on the moment that takes it out of proportion. At the end of the day, it is just numbers too. Ofc the pandemic tanked the economy. WTF did you expect to happen when you close all the stores? It wasn't Trump's fault. What does the average American feel about the economy? The president can stop price gouging (because its illegal to begin with), which has been going on under the Biden administration unchecked and they did nothing to stop it.

Tariffs only are a tax to the foreign nations, not the American people. Trump made it obvious, that if you build a factory on USA soil, that you won't have tariffs. Its way easier to build a factory in USA, than to try to import. That is his aim, which doubles as bringing jobs to USA as much as it saves that foreign nation money on avoiding tariffs. Its a win win situation for USA, so why are you against it? Companies will be forced to adapt, so why bend to their will?

And no, countless judges chose not to look into the election, as it was controversial. Huge difference than there was no evidence of fraud. No one with any common sense didn't think there was fuckery in 2020. If you think it was negligible, you are ignorant about the technological backdoors, bribery, fraud and bad actors involved that have come out even after the election and admitted to their crimes. Mail in voting, needs to stop. Its been proven time and time again, that only the most corrupt dictators in the world employ them and it compromises voter integrity.

Voter suppression is a boogie man that needs to stop. Its "negligible" in all the ways you think fraud is. Voter ID needs to be implemented, so we can catch up to every other developed nation in the world. The only people against voter ID, have either been brainwashed or they want it to cheat. There is zero argument to be had here other than the racist assumption that black people can't get ID. Despite the fact they easily get ID to buy booze and drive a car.