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[Virtual ghost]

WTO boss warns against economic cold war

Her comments will be seen as a pointed response to U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, who has promoted the concept of “friendshoring” value chains to develop economic relations with politically allied nations, as the rivalry between the U.S. and China keeps growing.

"Freindshoring" should become a term. Since this makes so much more sense then doing production just about everywhere. Therefore if you are sending very low income jobs out into the world it really makes much more sense to give them to someone who is your long term friend or ally. Since this way you aren't boosting people that will challenge you with money and through financial loops the money will more easily come back if the area is friendly. Or that money will be invested into development of friendly regions that can bring something to the table because of that investment. Boosting friends rather than foes really makes much more sense on the long run (if this has to be done).

 

[Virtual ghost]

Senators strike bipartisan gun safety agreement

 

[The Cat]

And now its even easier to buy a US senator thank Ted Cruz and the Supreme coup.... er I mean court.

 

[The Cat]

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

The interesting thing about all this is watching people who've won on every issue their entire lives have to deal with losing on one.

 

[The Cat]

Must be less lonely for a change...

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

You're not just going to undo the sexual revolution over night. Especially considering the generation coming of age (even if less promiscuous than the Xers and Millennials) is one of the most sex positive in history. They are just scratching their heads and wondering why a generation of elderly boomers' mores and influence are still so pervasive, and waiting for said generation to finish dying off.

The old breed of social conservatism will be greatly diminished when that cohort is gone. Then the remaining millennial tradcons like De Santis will either be forced to adapt (as many already have) or they will fade into irrelevance. It will probably get worse before it gets better, but all points to this being the trend.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Of course not, with these kinds of laws you will probably only start the new phase of the sexual revolution. Since that is how human brain works. Forbidden is always more desirable.

As I said this is quite questionable logic for the one that made the choice. Since this will evidently push more people to the polling stations and that almost always works against them. We should soon see what the polling actually says. Now that Roe is out even officially.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I mean here is the thing.

This is the map that is just 4 points to the left of 2020 results. In other words it should be about 10 points to the left from the current generic ballot polling results on top of 2020 results. That sounds like a lot and it is by American standards, but one in ten isn't really that big of a shift. Especially since most women really aren't likely to approve of this. Plus there is the half of country that doesn't vote since they lack stimulation to do it. What are usually younger and more progressive people from what I understand. While with this you basically made sure that the questions of female health and legal safety are on the ballot every time. I mean if the map will start to look like this on regular basis the conservatives will lose culture wars (and this is just 4 point away from 2020, that wasn't all that blue year). However there is just not enough red on the map in this scenario and good chunk of the base is getting quite old. So as I said this is quite a big risk on their part since this risks creating political avalanche that is basically permanent. "I want you controlled or jailed" isn't something that is likely to attract too many people. We will see but this is possibly major political miscalculation that will be felt for decades.

 

[Totenkindly]

You're not just going to undo the sexual revolution over night. Especially considering the generation coming of age (even if less promiscuous than the Xers and Millennials) is one of the most sex positive in history. They are just scratching their heads and wondering why a generation of elderly boomers' mores and influence are still so pervasive, and waiting for said generation to finish dying off.

The old breed of social conservatism will be greatly diminished when that cohort is gone. Then the remaining millennial tradcons like De Santis will either be forced to adapt (as many already have) or they will fade into irrelevance. It will probably get worse before it gets better, but all points to this being the trend.

It would have happened earlier but the fucking Boomers just won't let go. They already have minimized Gen X involvement. It's ridiculous they haven't mentored and brought up a younger generation to replace them. They have been part of this problem. Instead of letting leadership better reflect changing mores, they have a deathgrip on power and we're stuck with this crap, where their mandates don't fit the zeitgeist.

Even Biden was supposed to be a 4 year band-aid for the Trump years, and now he seems likely to run again. Where is the handoff to younger generations? A king has his reign and then dies. I always looked at power as something in part one needs to relinquish after setting up younger replacements, it's the circle of life. This is corrupt and unnatural.

Yeah, they will die eventually.... but damage has already been done.

 

[Virtual ghost]

It would have happened earlier but the fucking Boomers just won't let go. They already have minimized Gen X involvement. It's ridiculous they haven't mentored and brought up a younger generation to replace them. They have been part of this problem. Instead of letting leadership better reflect changing mores, they have a deathgrip on power and we're stuck with this crap, where their mandates don't fit the zeitgeist.

Even Biden was supposed to be a 4 year band-aid for the Trump years, and now he seems likely to run again. Where is the handoff to younger generations? A king has his reign and then dies. I always looked at power as something in part one needs to relinquish after setting up younger replacements, it's the circle of life. This is corrupt and unnatural.

Yeah, they will die eventually.... but damage has already been done.

To this I will add a few things since this is indeed kinda unnatural. The very high age of US top politicians around of the world is often seen as a sign of decaying strength of the country. Especially since truly many of the nations have leaders that can be children of US leaders and in decent amount of cases they can even be their grandchildren. Plus what is actually weird is that this is going on across political spectrum, from Bernie to Trump. Current POTUS is something like 45 years older than Finnish PM and that isn't the only example. I have even seen some random articles on the subject that say that a while ago he came to official visit to my local leaders (the ones that are buried for many decades at this point). So you are right, this is indeed kinda unnatural.


Politicians on average should be somewhere around 40 to 60 and after that they should retire just like everyone else (or at least do some background job). Since the body and mind just aren't on the level anymore for so responsible and fast job.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Virtual ghost]

I mean here is the thing.

This is the map that is just 4 points to the left of 2020 results. In other words it should be about 10 points to the left from the current generic ballot polling results on top of 2020 results. That sounds like a lot and it is by American standards, but one in ten isn't really that big of a shift. Especially since most women really aren't likely to approve of this. Plus there is the half of country that doesn't vote since they lack stimulation to do it. What are usually younger and more progressive people from what I understand. While with this you basically made sure that the questions of female health and legal safety are on the ballot every time. I mean if the map will start to look like this on regular basis the conservatives will lose culture wars (and this is just 4 point away from 2020, that wasn't all that blue year). However there is just not enough red on the map in this scenario and good chunk of the base is getting quite old. So as I said this is quite a big risk on their part since this risks creating political avalanche that is basically permanent. "I want you controlled or jailed" isn't something that is likely to attract too many people. We will see but this is possibly major political miscalculation that will be felt for decades.

Here is more on that.
Perhaps 2022 is too soon that full consequences will be known and realized. But this problem will be going down the road with everybody since now is just a part of "new normal".

 

[The Cat]

Here is more on that.
Perhaps 2022 is too soon that full consequences will be known and realized. But this problem will be going down the road with everybody since now is just a part of "new normal".

The Komodo dragon has bit itself in the ass...tbh the dems just have to play the waiting game...the problem is a lot of people are gonna suffer while the beast's own poisonous bite kills it slowly.

"Don't tread on them...they're busy eating themselves alive."

It's not quite a yellow flag...but it could be.

 

[Virtual ghost]

The Komodo dragon has bit itself in the ass...tbh the dems just have to play the waiting game...the problem is a lot of people are gonna suffer while the beast's own poisonous bite kills it slowly.

"Don't tread on them...they're busy eating themselves alive."

It's not quite a yellow flag...but it could be.

Yes, the people will suffer and that is exactly why this move isn't wise. There should have been significant red wave this year and now that is coming into question. Since you resurrected the topic from 50 years ago that wasn't really on the ballot for many voters. All women that ever had an abortion or people who have such family member will now really think twice before voting red or just staying home. Especially since retroactive investigations are fairly likely outcome of all this. Or such people will move somewhere that is less red and make the place more blue. I am serious about the claim that they opened the Pandora's box that can't really be closed anymore for the foreseeable future. Those that think that the hype will go away are almost surely mistaken. Since implications of this ruling have very serious real life complications and effects. Not to mention that all over media there will be constant protests and trials regarding the issue. As I said a number of times this is one of the last things I would do if I was in the place of top Republicans. It is just too risky and they decided to gamble over pure ideological topic that means a lot to many.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

For those on the left I wouldn't get your hopes up for '22 or '24. Abortion is a big national topic but Dobbs doesn't meaningfully change the facts on the ground one way or the other. If you live in a Democrat run state there is no change to abortion law, maybe it becomes even more liberal. Doesn't materially affect their life. If you live in a purple state its liable to stay somewhat restrictive. For instance FL has a 15 week abortion ban going through its legislature that will probably make it. For these voters nothing materially changes. For those in deep Red states, things will go from being restrictive to being more so, not a big change there. I don't expect Dobbs to really affect the number of abortions nationally except at the margins. All the one issue voters on abortion have already sorted into the two parties and already vote. This isn't going to get more people to the polls as an issue than it already did. Dobbs makes Democrat messaging easier, but its not an issue that moves conversation at the dinner table. Gas prices are an issue every time you fill up the tank. Same with groceries etc. How many abortions are you liable to have in a lifetime? We've been fighting over abortion for so long that we tend to think its a more salient issue than it is.

Dobbs got the headlines but the much bigger ruling is Bruen, the gun rights case. This case forces leftist states and cities to allow people to actually get concealed carry permits for self defense purposes generally without having to show an above average cause. This forces left locales to adopt carry standards seen in red and purple states. Dobbs doesn't change what the law looks like in leftist areas, but Bruen does. This is one of the first times in my life where the right is getting to force its legal standards on the left and not the other way around. Statistically it will be fascinating to see how this affects crime in cities generally etc...

Most of what I see you guys doing here is wishcasting. "Oh please let it be so that this dobbs decision is a stake through the heart of conservatism".

Ive got bad news for you.

 

[Virtual ghost]

As I said 2022 will perhaps be red year, but the questions of abortions and guns should mild it down, if they can't reverse the results. While 2024 is simply way too far, we live in the world where we don't know what will be a month from now (literally).


However I really disagree with the idea that abortion doesn't have consequences in material means. This is exactly why I think that someone on the right didn't really think this through. The obvious example of this are alimony costs. Another problem is that a decent amount of people is likely to move out of very red areas over this. What evidently lowers their GDP and creates various social problems (perhaps even in the place where they moved to because they pushed local demands and thus prices upwards). Also if you get prosecuted and charged for anything abortion related I dare to say that this evidently effects your finances and your family (and eventually the whole community). This kinds of laws will also lower desire of women for sex and that will lead to plenty of frustrated men. What if you put in human nature into account leads to damage and problems with law (especially if guns are just at the every corner). What altogether in the end also undermines local economy. Separating sexuality from economy is basically impossible. Sexuality is what drives the desires that eventually lead to economy and it also creates 100% of all citizens. Thus clear separation of these topics is simply impossible in practice.


We will see, but this just doesn't strike me as too good mix regardless of election issues.

 

[Red Herring]

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What's the current dominant narrative on Gavrilo Pricip these days in your part of the world?

 

[Virtual ghost]

What's the current dominant narrative on Gavrilo Pricip these days in your part of the world?

That depends on who you ask. However he is kinda forgotten persona. After all we call WW1 "a forgotten war" since people don't think about it that much. Too much has happened since that era and the history was rewritten a few times since then. Therefore I am pretty sure many don't even know who that is by pure name. Why ?

 

[Red Herring]

That depends on who you ask. However he is kinda forgotten persona. After all we call WW1 "a forgotten war" since people don't think about it that much. Too much has happened since that and the history was rewritten a few times since then. Therefore I am pretty sure many don't even know who that is by pure name. Why ?

Oh, just curious. Today happens to be the 108th anniversary of the assassination of archduke Franz Ferdinand which is why I saw something about it online