Random Politics Thread

[Virtual ghost]

As I mentioned before the lockdown was intended to avoid overwhelming the heathcare system, which it has succeeded in doing. It was not intended to destroy the virus. As long as it can be reactivated in time to do it again, we will be fine. I know you are rooting against the US (and maybe FOR the virus, like many of our own even are), but I think come next year you are going to be very surprised and disappointed in your future seeing skills regarding us.

Sorry, for me million+ in active cases is a fail of the system. There is no rooting for anything here, for me that is just "a fact".



In other words if you want to prevent overwhelming the healthcare system you have to use the lockdown to lower drastically the number of active cases. However you can't do that if the lockdown doesn't go far enough, because otherwise you will constantly get newer cases that will carry plenty of virus through the lockdown. Therefore by this logic you failed in the lockdown. Since there is still plenty of active cases around and now you are basically just continuing what you were doing before the lockdown (if we ignore the fact that active cases were on the rise even during the lockdown). So how big the loss of life will be is hard to tell but judging by everything it seem there will be some that isn't fully trivial. (yes, my closure in that post was sarcastic)

 

[anticlimatic]

Sorry, for me million+ in active cases is a fail of the system. There is no rooting for anything here, for me that is just "a fact". In other words if you want to prevent overwhelming the healthcare system you have to use the lockdown to lower drastically the number of active cases. However you can't do that if the lockdown doesn't go far enough, because otherwise you will constantly get newer cases that will carry plenty of virus through the lockdown. Therefore by this logic you failed in the lockdown. Since there is still plenty of active cases around and now you are basically just continuing what you were doing before the lockdown (if we ignore the fact that active cases were on the rise even during the lockdown). So how big the loss of life will be is hard to tell but judging by everything it seem there will be some that isn't fully trivial. (yes, my closure in that post was sarcastic)

People are not continuing to do what they were doing before the lock down. The media will find outliers of people being stupid, but Georgia and Florida which both opened early and were supposedly going to see a huge spike in cases never did. Both ended up comparable to states that had extended lock downs. Most people are behaving responsibly, and the fact that it's a "most" will have enough of an affect (hopefully) that everybody who needs a hospital bed will get one. So far everyone has. Even in NYC during the peak of the outbreak. You are predicting that eventually our system will be overwhelmed. I'm saying I disagree, and time will tell who was more accurate.

 

[Red Memories]

They are all the same. I don't hold Nancy Pelosi to a higher standard than Trump, I don't know why anyone does.

I don't actually believe he is taking this drug but it does bolster the politicization of the NIH, I'm certain he has threatened their funding unless they tow the line - hence the asinine clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic, which is really to make more money for Sanofi that makes the drug and Ken Fisher, the major Trump donor that is one of Sanofi’s largest shareholders, Wilber Ross too. This is ALL a smash and grab, there is nothing this administration does that is for the good of Americans if they can't personally make money off it. Same goes for much of Congress.

It is sad that the true expense of the mess Trump is creating right now is actual lives and the advancement of a PROPER treatment...

 

[Virtual ghost]

People are not continuing to do what they were doing before the lock down. The media will find outliers of people being stupid, but Georgia and Florida which both opened early and were supposedly going to see a huge spike in cases never did. Both ended up comparable to states that had extended lock downs. Most people are behaving responsibly, and the fact that it's a "most" will have enough of an affect (hopefully) that everybody who needs a hospital bed will get one. So far everyone has. Even in NYC during the peak of the outbreak. You are predicting that eventually our system will be overwhelmed. I'm saying I disagree, and time will tell who was more accurate.

Yes, the time will tell (that is 100% certain).
What I am saying is simply because your number of active cases never stopped growing. What is evidently the most important number in entire math. Some states slowed down but overall that is still growth in active cases. Once that trends stops and reverses I will change in "diagnosis" gladly. During a lockdown there should have been very strong dip in active cases, but from what I see there is still a certain gradual growth. Therefore with mass openings everywhere, people running out of everything and eventually coming out in the mix with long incubation period it is more logical that the number of new cases will speed up.

 

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

“Real ********** was never tried.”

A. Socialism
B. Lockdown

 

[anticlimatic]

While I understand Trump is a complete idiot for taking this medication as he is, with the side effects

I doubt he's taking fishbowl cleaner like that one couple. It must be under the recommendation or at least permission of his doctor, who I doubt wants to be like Michael Jackson's doctor and end up the hook for the president dying of a heart attack. Not to mention the fact that the way Trump is taking it, with azithro and zinc, does have some strong evidence of being helpful- especially if administered early (or in a preventive fashion, as Trump is doing):

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc vs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone: outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients | medRxiv

It might not kill the virus, but any help boosting the immune system is good. I say good for him, so long as he has doctors monitoring the situation to make sure it's safe.

 

[Jaguar]

Steve, man. You'll always be one of my fav ex-Repubbies. You brutal fucker.

 

[ceecee]

“Real ********** was never tried.”

A. Socialism
B. Lockdown

lol you people are loons.

 

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

😘❤️

RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

😘❤️

I gotta read this Alinsky fella.

 

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

Pretty sure Trumpty has read Alinsky, too.

 

[Jaguar]

Joe Biden on Tuesday for the first time addressed an insinuation by Donald Trump Jr., in the guise of a joke, that he was an abuser of children.

No, that's his father Donald's behavior - walking in on undressed teenagers at a Miss Teen USA beauty pageant. Fucking pervert:

Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant said Donald Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants — some as young as 15 — were changing.

“I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, ‘Oh my god, there’s a man in here,’” said Mariah Billado, the former Miss Vermont Teen USA.

Trump, she recalled, said something like, “Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”

Three other women, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of getting engulfed in a media firestorm, also remembered Trump entering the dressing room while girls were changing. Two of them said the girls rushed to cover their bodies, with one calling it “shocking” and “creepy.”

 

[Norexan]

Thanks but I have already seen this one. It is well known that at the east this concept doesn't really "stand".


Plus I can see moving of some blue to orange (or green). However since it seems that our next government will be center right + far right it is orange for us. (or it will just stay blue)

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Poland rules.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I know that as well. Plus I have posted the second one a number of times.
Also that one looks as more correct one in my book, even if they don't measure exactly the same thing.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Poland rules.

Since when you are into strong involvement of government into the economy ?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

 

[Jaguar]

P-a-n-d-e-m-i-c.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Simplistic, in this part of the world right wingers have problem with Communism since it was anti-church and against similar traditional values. However in economy our right is more of a left in American definitions of things. In Poland government gives money to the families to help rise children. They have joined china led 17+1 group. They are undoing the independence of courts currently. Plenty of GDP is government owned or influenced. There is socialized healthcare. Etc.



I am sure you heard plenty of nice things about Poland in American sites but some things are getting overlooked out of geopolitical convenience. Communism started in this part of the world exactly since the Slavic culture is decent foundation for starting that. However if you are right winger that means that you are loyal to traditions. However on top of those same collectivistic Slavic traditions someone tried to build Communist utopia. While he got Slavic culture with anti-religious and revolutionary elements as the actual product (what western people simply call "Communism"). Many of my own local business people are freaking out over the idea the the right might win again. Since it taxes them heavily and it seems they will ban stores from working on Sunday, so that workers will get a day for family time. Not having colonialism as part of your national history changes many paradigms.



But if you like Poland for the sake of loving Poland that is more than fine.

 

[Jaguar]

NFL player files lawsuit against United Airlines over alleged sexual assault on cross-country flight - CBSSports.com

I often wonder why women 'need to be heard' but we don't hear enough about chicks who grab dicks.