Random Politics Thread

[Lord Lavender]

And everyone here talks about the "mental gymnastics" conservatives have to undertake to justify their ideology.

Pages and pages of dialogue about made up stuff like "Russian collusion," or Trump won't leave office if Biden wins- while completely ignoring atrocious things that are actually on tape right in front of your eyes. Embarrassing.

'Trump was right' about ginned-up Russia probe: FBI texts
McConnell: Trump will leave office peacefully if he loses election

I think one has to look at the bigger picture here. Like I have no problems with anyone being a con or lib but I don't think Trump represents any sane or rational ideology hell I think he's just trying to be just like Joffrey from Game of Thrones and besides one should stand by their principles not stand for someone just as they claim to be X or Y. Besides I think McConnell is just trying to cover for Trump on the peaceful transition I think Trump has no intention of going peacefully or with dignity his past behavior and him as a person in general doesn't suggest that and even if the theories are true he docent truly want to be president he cant resist putting on political theatre. Point is I don't think cons are making gymnastics for conservative ideology but rather Trumps questionable and poor governing.

Like I don't see things like restricting LGBT rights and abusing the poor,erodiing women's health and rights, dismantling healthcare progress made by Obama, attacking peaceful protesters and allowing police to brutalize people as having a place in any society and to me any society that allows those things isn't worth existing, basically people who support Trump support going back to the 1800s socially.

I pose a question for you. How do you justify Trump gassing peaceful protesters including priests so that he could pretend to be a pious Christian (Yes that infamous Bible picture) just for his political survival and to appeal to gullible voters even though he possibly is the most anti Christian man (Jesus himself would vomit in disgust at him). Try and justify that without using the slogan *Fake News* or libs trying to make Trump look bad and that's just one of many things. Take a long hard think about this

 

[Jaguar]

And everyone here talks about the "mental gymnastics" conservatives have to undertake to justify their ideology.

In your own words you simply "vote for the person with the big ideas." That means you may have voted for Mr. Big Idea: Osama bin Laden, were he an American citizen. All them thar BIG IDEAS of his go boom, boom, boom. "Lookee all the smoke and fire, Irma."

completely ignoring atrocious things that are actually on tape right in front of your eyes

You mean like all the doctored videos crazy people are disseminating? Thankfully companies like Twitter are calling them out and identifying them for what they are - utter horse shit.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Jaguar]

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[ceecee]

‘It’s like every red flag’: Trump-ordered HHS ad blitz raises alarms - POLITICO

The health department is moving quickly on a highly unusual advertising campaign to "defeat despair" about the coronavirus, a $300 million-plus effort that was shaped by a political appointee close to President Donald Trump and executed in part by close allies of the official, using taxpayer funds.

 

[Red Memories]

I'm tired of fake news from both parties to be frank. Jaguar is correct, anything can be adjusted and taken out of context or left out to appeal to whatever you want it to be.

Why it is hard to trust most media outlets in general.

 

[The Cat]

I'm tired of fake news from both parties to be frank. Jaguar is correct, anything can be adjusted and taken out of context or left out to appeal to whatever you want it to be.

Why it is hard to trust most media outlets in general.

Thats why you have to dig into the sources of where you get it from and take care not to exclude (or include) sources just because you dont like(or like) the way they tell you things.

 

[Tellenbach]

So I was watching a video on youtube from an ENFP describing ISTJs and she mentioned that Si was responsible for our ability to learn from past experiences. You mean to tell me that non Si users struggle with learning from the mistakes of the past? Is this what the problem has been all along? Does this mean that most leftists are not ISTJs/ISFJs and that's why they keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again? That is one of the more troubling behaviors I've observed the past couple of years. People, obviously intelligent people, keep embracing stupid policies that have failed over and over again. I mean, wtf? So basically, it's a Si handicap of sorts and these people can't help themselves.

 

[ceecee]

So I was watching a video on youtube from an ENFP describing ISTJs and she mentioned that Si was responsible for our ability to learn from past experiences. You mean to tell me that non Si users struggle with learning from the mistakes of the past? Is this what the problem has been all along? Does this mean that most leftists are not ISTJs/ISFJs and that's why they keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again? That is one of the more troubling behaviors I've observed the past couple of years. People, obviously intelligent people, keep embracing stupid policies that have failed over and over again. I mean, wtf? So basically, it's a Si handicap of sorts and these people can't help themselves.

Like Republicans. They don't do anything, they simply obstruct progress and good ideas with ancient inefficiencies and outdated methods. Perfect jobs for right wing extremists that like to pretend they're libertarians.

 

[ceecee]

I'm tired of fake news from both parties to be frank. Jaguar is correct, anything can be adjusted and taken out of context or left out to appeal to whatever you want it to be.

Why it is hard to trust most media outlets in general.

Most people aren't willing to do any work to find accuracy in anything. MSM just spoon feeds it to them. Please stop the bothsideism - that's really something the the center keeps pushing. It's a fallacy and it's lazy journalism. The fact checking or the idiotic debates or any other ridiculous norm people want to keep clinging to. Just stop.

But it is what's poisoning this country so you end up with people saying - it's too hard to know who is telling the truth so I just dismiss it all.

 

[Tellenbach]

They don't do anything, they simply obstruct progress and good ideas with ancient inefficiencies and outdated methods. Perfect jobs for right wing extremists that like to pretend they're libertarians.

We're not the ones in charge of problem areas like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Oakland, Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco. These are places that are dominated by your side for a long time and these areas are experiments in failed leftist policies, no? If you guys can't even stop your people from shooting innocent people by the thousands each year, then maybe you guys should step down and let mature adults do the job.

You can say "right wing extremist" all day long, but we're not the ones rioting, destroying businesses, and killing people. Those are "far left extremists', lol.

 

[ceecee]

We're not the ones in charge of problem areas like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Oakland, Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco. These are places that are dominated by your side for a long time and these areas are experiments in failed leftist policies, no? If you guys can't even stop your people from shooting innocent people by the thousands each year, then maybe you guys should step down and let mature adults do the job.

You can say "right wing extremist" all day long, but we're not the ones rioting, destroying businesses, and killing people. Those are "far left extremists', lol.

*yawn* You need some new material.

 

[Tellenbach]

Obviously I have to keep repeating myself to non Si-users, according to an ENFP.

 

[The Cat]

Oh look another straw man...

 

[Tellenbach]

California Deputies Shot in Ambush Are Expected to Recover, Authorities Say

Antifa gunman who 'killed Trump supporter' styled himself as 'security'

BLM ‘activists’ celebrated as Trump supporter was killed

Conservative writer Andy Ngo details attack at Portland protest

Ngo — who described himself as a gay journalist of color — said he could have up to six months of memory loss from the hemorrhage, after he was beaten at an event for antifa, a left-leaning militant group. He said he also suffered a ripped earlobe.

These extremists are enabled by the leftist mainstream media and supported by a majority of Democrats.

 

[Red Memories]

Most people aren't willing to do any work to find accuracy in anything. MSM just spoon feeds it to them. Please stop the bothsideism - that's really something the the center keeps pushing. It's a fallacy and it's lazy journalism. The fact checking or the idiotic debates or any other ridiculous norm people want to keep clinging to. Just stop.

But it is what's poisoning this country so you end up with people saying - it's too hard to know who is telling the truth so I just dismiss it all.

I dislike that anytime I call out how both sides revert to similar tactics which comes out very hypocritical is considered "bothsideism" and I am told to stop pointing out the hypocrisy of either side. I point out hate speech on either side "whataboutism". I point out how two parties seem to come full circle, "bothsideism." Maybe these issues should be analyzed instead of automatically being reduced to whataboutism or bothsideism. Personally, I find it a way for either side to not want to change a negative nature or be held accountable for their own hypocrisies. Perhaps if these issues were addressed, some of us "centrist" wouldn't feel so annoyed by it. I do feel it is a fallacy pushed around though. I speak of when people make politics a "holier-than-thou" issue and go about thinking it is fine when republicans are banned for their very bad speech and then it is okay to tell suggest you hope Mitch Mcconnell gets assassinated. As if hate speech does not apply to you because you are democrat or republican, or that you cannot be held accountable and if you are it is "the repression of my voice." and as if only one voice can be heard. This thing I am told is "bothsideism" is what I see as another divider because since I'm just picking how hypocritical a side can be somehow it is wrong of me to say that if one can hate speech the other can too, or if we're getting rid of ALL hate speech then ALL HATE SPEECH must really go.

I dislike the fallacy of feeling you must dismiss all of it though. It can also lead to a certain confirmation bias issue though. For instance, say I was a republican, then everything on CNN or something is fake news and anything which agrees with my POV on something like Fox News or Newsweek is the real news. In a similar fashion, I could suggest I only will agree with strong centrist reporting and any other media outlet is wrong and fake news. I prefer to read a little of all of them and use deductive reasoning to omit biases and find the facts within it. Because there's a smidge of bias or falsehoods within them does not mean all of it is entirely a false narrative. Two people can see the same thing happening and both describe it differently. It is finding the actual event within the vision written.

But I am sick of every time you bring something to either person it is "fake news" if it disagrees with their assessment of the entire issue. I have it constantly with my grandpa on the republican side, and I experience it here at times when I suggest something slightly different than far left with some people. And it kind of shuts down all discussion and makes me feel reluctant to participate in political discussions at all if the only thing you want to do is post fake news or call anything disagreed with fake news.

Not referencing you, but a general issue I have seen as I've sort of walked into the "political discussion" realm.

 

[Red Memories]

for the discussion at hand, what I seem to be seeing is a great deal of smaller far left or far right groups using the protests for BLM to commit their violence, and hiding themselves as BLM so BLM is the one viewed negatively.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Tellenbach]

The video above refutes the claim that this quote came from Hitler:

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions”

This guy claims the quote came from Gregor Strasser but then I found this:

Who said this?

It is translated from Hitler’s May 1st speech in 1927, referenced in John Toland’s Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography, 1976, ISBN 0-385-42053-6. This is described in context in the article by John J. Ray, “Hitler was a Leftist.”

I'm not sure why we even have to go that far. As Crowder pointed out, Nazis are National Socialists.

 

[The Cat]

the above post cited by the gentleman from dreamland is from a website that lists their reason for being as such:

Reason for Being


There is a space that must be filled.

It hangs in the distance between what is taken for granted,
or believed by convention,
and what may be imagined or feared.

It is a gap to fill by finding facts and bringing them into true perspective.

In American and world politics, this endeavor often challenges conventional worldviews and many shut their minds,
unwilling to venture beyond the safe boundaries of the known.

The brave, who dare to look, will catch glimpses of disturbing images
lurking in dark corners. Those who seek to fill the gap become dangerous
to those whose true agenda would otherwise remain comfortably obscured,
as they seek and gain power.

But freedom of speech exists for a reason.

Gulag Bound follows the lead of those who have won and protected
our Sovereignty and our liberty by finding and telling the truth,
then devoting ourselves to it.

We respect you by letting you know what we find, examine, and discuss,
even if discomforting or provocative.

You can assess for yourself and assess us too,
our intention, to present fact as fact
and at times, theory, conjecture, and speculation,
as just what they are, too.

Controversy and uncertainty are hardly excuses
for failing to investigate and communicate.

But beyond this, knowledge requires action.

Examining the crises, our ultimate objective is to present solutions.
History teaches there are solutions, tried and true.

But in order to apply solutions decisively,
we must see and target the problems accurately.

We demonstrate the facts that neo-Marxist, neo-fascist, neo-technocratic,
and globalist ambitions,
of the 1%,
of 1%,
of 1%,
are a clear and very present threat to our authentic America
and to the world.

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with the dissidents and resistance agents, the American authentists of Gulag Bound

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