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Virtual ghost

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Request: I am unsure that I follow your colloquialism, would you consider rephrasing the question for clarification?

It is very simple question: why is democratic party losing so much ground is Florida ?

The very fact that DeSantis suddenly won by something like 20 points suggests that there is something wrong with opposition there.
 

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It is very simple question: why is democratic party losing so much ground is Florida ?

The very fact that DeSantis suddenly won by something like 20 points suggests that there is something wrong with opposition there.
Unconstitutional gerrymandering is the #1 reason
Diluted votes due to the above plus voter suppression moving towards Jim Crow era tactics = abysmal turnout
At the local and state level, the Florida GOP has risen to total one-party dominance also by planting sham candidates on ballots to run against incumbent Democrats (last season), and by outright lying about issues (every season of the last decade) — particularly, the demonizing Democrats as socialists and communists.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/lo...-santiago/article268836647.html#storylink=cpy
The bold plays very well with the Cuban diaspora in South Florida. And there is something the Dems could do there but it's incredibly unlikely at the moment.

Run better candidates - not recycled crap (see Charlie Crist)
Recruit, court, engage year-round - this is what the GOP does in Florida and it's what Dems do in other places but they haven't done it historically.
Mostly embrace aggressiveness with everything. I promise Dems can and do, do this in other places.

Here is the upside for Dems
Republicans may have won the house but they're not a happy lot. Nothing and I mean nothing is going to get done in this Congress. The GOP has attached itself to culture wars, not actual issues people in Florida are concerned with. Republicans have a sharply focused vision, an ugly one. This has become very evident and it's going to get old. That's why people are calling the state DeSantisstan. The removal of duly elected prosecutors from office is taking insane GOP strategy to authoritarian/fascist levels. Sane people won't want to live in it.



Recruit and run better candidates with sane messages, meant to reach the majority, not the minority, would be the best start - especially progressives who are the only people actually winning elections in Florida. Here in Michigan the GOP ran the house and senate for 40 years. That's over. They can do that in Florida too.
 

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Unconstitutional gerrymandering is the #1 reason
Diluted votes due to the above plus voter suppression moving towards Jim Crow era tactics = abysmal turnout

The bold plays very well with the Cuban diaspora in South Florida. And there is something the Dems could do there but it's incredibly unlikely at the moment.

Run better candidates - not recycled crap (see Charlie Crist)
Recruit, court, engage year-round - this is what the GOP does in Florida and it's what Dems do in other places but they haven't done it historically.
Mostly embrace aggressiveness with everything. I promise Dems can and do, do this in other places.

Here is the upside for Dems
Republicans may have won the house but they're not a happy lot. Nothing and I mean nothing is going to get done in this Congress. The GOP has attached itself to culture wars, not actual issues people in Florida are concerned with. Republicans have a sharply focused vision, an ugly one. This has become very evident and it's going to get old. That's why people are calling the state DeSantisstan. The removal of duly elected prosecutors from office is taking insane GOP strategy to authoritarian/fascist levels. Sane people won't want to live in it.



Recruit and run better candidates with sane messages, meant to reach the majority, not the minority, would be the best start - especially progressives who are the only people actually winning elections in Florida. Here in Michigan the GOP ran the house and senate for 40 years. That's over. They can do that in Florida too.


It makes sense.
Actually I saw the Christ thing. Even before the vote I was willing to bet that this is going to be a disaster ... and it was. I mean that out of tens of millions of people in the state they couldn't find someone better than ex Republican is just pure incompetence or complete lack of imagination. With that move you are basically saying "I have nothing to offer, move along".

I mean if there is big and fairly sudden shift there have to be visible problems with candidate quality and messaging. If you have those two under control you wouldn't get completely overrun or outmanouvered.
 

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MAGA expects that DeSantis will prevent possible extradition of Trump back to New York.

:drama:

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I'm more interested in Georgia at this point. NY is a misdemeanor. Georgia could hand him RICO charges.
 

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Virtual ghost

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Where do they dig up all these people? I mean, political differences are one thing, but there seems to be a serious mental health crisis (and possible crisis of the educational system as well) going on.

Seems !?

With pay to play healthcare, with education system that mostly promotes only feel good things or patriotism, with more guns then people, with toxic GM food in every supermarket, with legal corruption on every level, with minimal labor laws, with crime on almost every corner, with infrastructure crashing and failing all over the place ..... you really can't expect different results. As a matter of fact the nation seem fairly resistant and sane given all of the cards in hand.
 
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